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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:35PM sk8monroe81 said

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thats good to know for the future, there needed to be a system that is the same for every game just like on the 360.

now we can complain about the last 2 years of games not having this i guess...

looks like sony is playing that slow catch up after all, slowly but surely...

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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:36PM (Unverified) said

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Freakin' Finally!

Woohoo!!!
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:37PM (Unverified) said

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Yay?
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 9:13PM (Unverified) said

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What a waste of time and energy over something so trivial.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:38PM Vol said

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Welcome to 2005, Sony.

(this is twice I have said this today)
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:55PM (Unverified) said

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I voted you up twice today also
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:02PM Vol said

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Thank you, sir.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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Did you know that the Xbox 360 has Achievements in every game?


...The more you know.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:59PM ThornedVenom said

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NO SHIT SHERLOCK.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:52PM Haggard said

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I'm totally perplexed. Your name and fanboyism are incompatible!

Unless it's one of those ironic names.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 7:36PM Ignatius said

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Or maybe he's a Nintendo fanboy?
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:43PM pgooner said

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"These are the champions..."
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:45PM (Unverified) said

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"...my friend..."
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:59PM pgooner said

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I think he was referring to the Champions League song, not the song by Queen; hence the "big-ears" trophy :)
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:44PM (Unverified) said

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Do I sense some old/repeated news here? It's kind of unusual for somebody who dislikes Sony ,as much as me, to know about this already...
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:45PM Duke said

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Its just a smart way to do it. Makes no sense to have a trophy system that only works for some titles and leaves gamers feeling slighted when their new game doesn't have them.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:01PM (Unverified) said

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yah, but you can't force studios to implement trophies when they are far in development.

Anyway, I don't care about this, unless I get some kind of prize, a score means nothing
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:04PM Duke said

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Yeah, I know what you mean, but you have to admit that a system of trophies that isn't used in each game make it so any score is kinda worthless to those players that do care about that sort of thing. It has to be all or nothing, otherwise its kinda half-assed.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:06PM Duke said

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[I see your yah and raise you one yeah.]
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:32PM (Unverified) said

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Oh, I know that, it must be all or nothing, but they can't have all games supported at once, so they have to see with developers and their schedules and decide an starting date.

Its like it is happening right now with Digital broadcasting, some stations have both analog and digital, some are only digital, and the government won't allow analog signal after Feb 17.

[I see your yeah and raise you one yeah ha.]
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 7:08PM (Unverified) said

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well hoobidy joo!

I have nothing to add to this conversation
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 7:26PM Blaquebeird said

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Wait wait, three yeahs and a ha? I fold.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:48PM erh said

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Trophies are an ePenis to stroke gamers' egos. I don't need Trophies, I play games for fun.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:52PM Burritoclock said

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But you do point it out on the internet for accolades...
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:58PM Revving Injuns said

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I agree with ya, but it does add some replay to some games because there are some cool reasons to get achievements sometimes, so sometimes they are fun which is why I play games.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:01PM Premature ejaculation man said

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Because there's only one definition of fun, and people can't have fun playing games and unlocking an achievement which they also may find fun?

****Gamerscore**** is the useless epeen, achievements are not.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:02PM Premature ejaculation man said

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errr...Replace achievements and gamerscore with the PSN equivalent...

*goes to hide in a corner*


hehehehe
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:13PM (Unverified) said

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"Because there's only one definition of fun, and people can't have fun playing games and unlocking an achievement which they also may find fun?"

But...often times you are not unlocking anything, I have always wondered that, why doesn't it just say "You Achieved...."

"****Gamerscore**** is the useless epeen, achievements are not.""

Achievements and Gamerscore are directly connected, and yes, it is an useless epeen as well, like I mentioned above, often times you are not actually unlocking anything, just completing certain actions

"Replace achievements and gamerscore with the PSN equivalent..."

They are pointless as well, but I'm hoping that they do unlock some sort of items for Home, as it has been shown before
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:45PM Vcize said

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Without achievements tens of thousands of Crackdown owners would have never climbed to the top of the Agency tower and jumped down into the bay below. As such, tens of thousands of Crackdown owners would've missed out on a freaking awesome gameplay experience.

It's good to hear that you're too cool for achievements though. Shame that you're not cool enough to not brag about being too cool for them.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:55PM (Unverified) said

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"Without achievements tens of thousands of Crackdown owners would have never climbed to the top of the Agency tower and jumped down into the bay below. As such, tens of thousands of Crackdown owners would've missed out on a freaking awesome gameplay experience."

Once again, you don't need a number/score to experience that, if they wanted the players to experience that on the first place, they could have very well designed a mission around that

"It's good to hear that you're too cool for achievements though. Shame that you're not cool enough to not brag about being too cool for them."

What? what does that have to do with this? So now because I disagree with a "feature" I'm pretty much sending the message that I'm too cool for that?

Instead of doing this, both Sony and Microsoft should have pushed the studios to just give you some kind of in-game reward, something that studios like Naughty Dog still do. Anyway, at least it seems Sony will reward those "accomplishments" with items for Home as seen in previews, hopefully Microsoft does the same now that they have the avatars
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 8:22PM jhowlett said

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i use to run everywhere in the ps2 gta games just to have a longer distance traveled on foot than the vehicles, i also use to try to get to the top of places
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 9:36PM erh said

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Hey, I love completing tasks to unlock new game-modes, weapons, cars, costumes, etc. But now they've turned those things into "downloadable content" and make you pay for it, and the activities that we used to do to get that content for free just gives us "trophies".
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Posted: Nov 21st 2008 12:43AM Vidikron said

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I agree with Vcize. Achievements/Trophies really do add gameplay for most people. I don't consider myself a gamerscore whore, but I will browse an achievement list and see if any look like fun.

And, Noshino, I get your pioint about there being no point to them and how you could do things like climb the tallest building in Crackdown and jump into the pool below. But the fact remains many people either wouldn't have even thought to do something like that or simply wouldn't have bothered. Yes, the acheivement itself may seem completely trivial, but at least it's SOMETHING. Without them you basically end up with nothing after pulling whatever stunt the achievement required.

I'm sure there are others out there like you that don't care, but I'd wager that most gamers actually do enjoy them. And the best part is the people that don't care don't have to bother. Outside of few poorly thought out multiplayer achievments, it's a near perfect system that most people enjoy and the remaing don't have to even think about.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2008 9:03AM Negatron said

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That is, until achievements/gamerscore can be used towards rewards, just a matter of time (360 wise).

As for the Ps3 it does add a bit of replay value with a twist, for upcoming games using the feature. I think thats what what Vcize was getting at when talking about CrackDown.

As for me, i will pass on shooting 2 billion pigeons in GTA4, but other quirky achievements im up for, which may even cause me to pop in a game i've stopped playing for a while in order to do it.

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Posted: Nov 21st 2008 12:22PM jumpshot said

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@Noshino

I agree with you, but there's still some fun to having achievements. I like looking over what I've done for a sense of accomplishment, or trying to figure out what some achievements mean and finding them is also fun. To me. But as you said, it would be even better if getting them would unlock things in game or give you store discounts etc.

btw, I think Vcize was aiming that more at Evan.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 5:52PM bxgt said

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There gonna confuse the hell out of the casual gamers.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:02PM ThornedVenom said

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How is it going to confuse them? It's not a mandatory requirement and casual gamers love getting rewarded for minimal effort.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:04PM bxgt said

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Now its gonna be like 60 percent of the games have trophies, they didn't know wtf they were to begin with know they have to research which games have it and which games don't.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:41PM Jaclo said

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Why would a casual gamer buy a PS3? Of the three systems, the PS3 is the most "core."
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:29PM tuaamin13 said

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No, it won't.

New games have new feature. Old games don't. Buy an old game and discover there's a trophy patch, woohoo, but it's definitely not something you look for. Anyhow, if some cared that much about trophies they can spend 30 seconds on google typing the game title + trophies
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:33PM bxgt said

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I'm talking about casual gamers here, the people that buy a game because of the pretty box art.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:38PM (Unverified) said

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"the people that buy a game because of the pretty box art"

didn't you hear that Wii Music didn't sell well?
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:39PM bxgt said

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No but wii fit did sell more than fallout 3.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:47PM (Unverified) said

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Cmon man, Wii fit made into many well seen talk shows (with the exception of Oprah), of course its going to sell like hotcakes
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 8:48PM (Unverified) said

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I don't look at the PS3 as the most hardcore console right now..

Hardcore in my mind revolves around how competitive the system is for people.. Meaning, how well people can compete against each other on the console. In my opinion, the 360 is the most hardcore because it revolves around competition. It's been featured in MLG and many other gaming tourney's. It also completely revolves around online play, which to me, is the epitome of competition. And also is mainly bought solely for gaming purposes.

I look at the three systems like this:

Wii - Best casual console
PS3 - Best Entertainment system
360 - Best hardcore gaming console

And lawdy lawd, don't think of me as some 360 fanboy.. it's just how I look at the word 'hardcore'.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 9:37PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@Arnon

"And lawdy lawd, don't think of me as some 360 fanboy.. it's just how I look at the word 'hardcore'."

We didn't need to read your definition of hardcore to know what kind of fanboy you are. We already knew.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 9:39PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a fanboy of... gaming? k
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 9:42PM (Unverified) said

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In fact, now that I think about it, I doubt the majority of people even know what 'fanboy' means, and just call people that because they prefer something more than something else.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:01PM ThornedVenom said

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Seems like trophies/achievements are going to be one of the long-lasting innovations that Microsoft has brought to gaming.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know how much extra work it is to implement trophies into games, but it seems like people are enjoying them.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2008 6:09PM (Unverified) said

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Microsoft didn't bring it to gaming, they just made if popular.
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