Japanese hardware sales, Nov. 10 - Nov. 16: Early Edition edition
by Griffin McElroy 
{ Nov 22nd 2008 at 9:30PM }
What if you received tomorrow's Japanese hardware sales figures ... today?We're not exactly certain what parallels we can draw between our humble weekly feature and the short-lived CBS soothsaying series Early Edition, but it was the only clever theme we could attach to this particular post which is, in fact, a day early. If you could somehow use this information save someone's life this evening, it would certainly help our allusional plight. We considered forcing an orange tabby cat through the internet and onto your front porch to recreate a theme from the show, but decided against it as the cost would be tremendous, and the trauma inflicted to said kitty would be, well, unsurvivable.
Here's the news, sans mutilated feline: The DSi, despite experiencing a drop customary to the weeks following a frenzied console launch, remains king of the hill. The software figures for the week follow suit -- three of the top five games belong to Nintendo's handheld, with Kirby Super Star Ultra taking first place. However, the vacuous pink puff ball was unable to save the DS Lite, whose sales were cut in half this week, netting it a last-place finish -- just as prophecy foretold.
- DSi: 85,327
19,570 (18.66%)- PSP: 38,153
5,573 (12.75%)- Wii: 26,787
2,061 (8.34%)- PS3: 17,448
906 (4.94%) - Xbox 360: 7,983
4,776 (37.43%)- PS2: 5,421
322 (5.61%)- DS Lite: 3,559
4,822 (57.53%) [Source: Media Create]
See: The unsurvivable archives
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
LaughingTarget @ Nov 22nd 2008 9:36PM
Shame that show was short lived. I liked it. All the good stuff dies young (like Firefly), but crap lasts forever, like reality TV.
Markez @ Nov 22nd 2008 9:55PM
Posters on here always seem to orgasm when there's the slightest of Firefly references, so I have to ask; does it somehow get any better in the latter episodes?
I'm really into sci-fi and all, and I was prepared for the poor production values and shoddy acting, but I'm just not seeing where the irresistable charm is in that show that everybody else sees.
On topic to the article, kudos to the article author for somehow being able to use the phrase 'mutilated feline' in the write-up.
Markez @ Nov 22nd 2008 9:57PM
Oh, and not trying to sound like a dick, just genuinely curious.
Also, "All the good stuff dies young" I miss My Two Dads, too.
Mr Khan @ Nov 22nd 2008 10:04PM
Life span is never indicative of quality. Arguably, the Simpsons were good through the first 300 episodes (definitely a decline in quality after that, except the movie and a few odd episodes that really hit it), then of course, there are great shows that were killed off before their time, Firefly, SWAT Kats, etc.
People just tend to remember more when the good die young than when they don't
Jake11- Born and raised in W. Philly @ Nov 22nd 2008 10:21PM
Don't forget Arrested Development. South Park is still going strong though. Fuck vampires
Titanium_Orchid @ Nov 23rd 2008 12:39AM
don't forget EXO-Squad. Although they kind of wrote themselves into a corner with that series.... still great though.
Oh, and I actually started to watch the Simpsons again after a six year hiatus. I think its funny.
bigsofty @ Nov 23rd 2008 4:22AM
Um, who cares? there always biased towards Japanese consoles... any ways, I doubt there not in slightest interested, in, who buys what, here either... and why should they be?
Haggard @ Nov 23rd 2008 5:33AM
^ replied to the wrong post?
Anyway, I know what you mean, there was a TV series here in britain called Strange, where some crazed ex-minister went around hunting demons who were trying to murder people he knew, and there was an epic cliffhanger at the end of the season.
Never made it to season 2 though :(
Bowser the Baptist @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:00AM
My job, the one I'm doing right now, is basically reality tv. A small cable station, but still.
My point is: don't blame reality tv for the death of your favourite soap opera. Most of the time it's a little more complicated than flicking the off switch, and if few people are watching then nothing of value was truly lost. It's just entertainment anyway.
Hashbrown Hunter @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:52AM
@ Jake11:
Good news, there's most likely going to be an Arrested Development movie! :D
Can't fucking wait to see Gob and Franklin the puppet together again on the big screen.
Bowser Rogozhin @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:53AM
"Thats why i haven't got a 360 (yet!, very soon). Every game i've played on my brother-in-laws 360 is just the same as previous-gen games but they look better."
"Once again, they are not the same"
Actually, I think you'll find that most 360 games are incredibly similar to their predecessors. Lift away the veil of HD and you soon discover that there is little difference: same control schemes, same motivations, same scenarios, same shit. This constant sameness becomes awfully mediocre after awhile, so I share Foetoid's disillusionment with the 360.
And you really can't compare a fully fleshed out PS2 library to the Wii, two years after its birth. The PS2 had a terrible first year, there was really nothing to play. Whereas the Wii had already received Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, WarioWare, as well as many others. In the same time period, PS2 gamers were still pretending to enjoy Fantavision.
The Fatass of Kickassness @ Nov 23rd 2008 11:06AM
"It's just entertainment anyway."
How come this logic doesn't apply to oh so many things you've bashed in the past?
Bowser Rogozhin @ Nov 23rd 2008 11:25AM
Because I have double standards when it comes to my personal employment. Plus, tv is so much more a grubby business than video games (there's little advertising pressures for one), so higher standards could be easily more achievable.
But that's just ignorant, simplistic observation from the outside looking in, so I could be completely wrong. In fact, I know I'm wrong on this matter.
UltimateQ @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:19PM
Yes Sackolantern, that is exactly what I am saying. Numbers dictate the champion. Just because you may not prefer it does not mean it doesn't hold the top spot.
Foetoid @ Nov 22nd 2008 9:50PM
That green arrow next to that console is always a welcome and heart-warming sight. Good choice!
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 22nd 2008 10:35PM
Too bad all those green arrows aren't bringing any games worth mentioning.
Foetoid @ Nov 22nd 2008 10:54PM
I'll dish out lists of decent non-minigame quality Wii titles if you like, but i'm slack today.
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 22nd 2008 11:01PM
Nah it's ok I won't ask you to put yourself through the hell of trying to come up with a list that isn't laughable. I already had to do that once before for someone and I'm lucky my eyes didn't melt at the sheer suckage that is the wii's lineup.
Foetoid @ Nov 23rd 2008 12:31AM
Actually i've got the list saved to a TXT document on the desktop of my PC. I've been building up the list of great games available now and in the future over time and it's amazing how big that list has gotten. I'm a picky hardcore gamer too, been playing games for 23 years, and i've never been more happy with a console purchase.
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:04AM
"I'm a picky hardcore gamer too"
Well not everyone can have high standards I guess. First of all, you should probably stop rehashing those last few lines. Second, that part I quoted and the wii doesn't go together. Try again.
Tonyplusplus @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:30AM
I hate you so much tmac, so much.
Arnon @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:48AM
Only game I REALLY want for the Wii is Monster Hunter 3.
Foetoid @ Nov 23rd 2008 2:09AM
It does go with picky and hardcore Tmac. It takes a real gamer to know HD doesn't mean shit. I have just as much fun with the VC games i've downloaded as i do with FarCry 2 and Crysis. So, knowing that graphics don't add anything to a game (DMC4 plays just like the originals, as does SCIV, and Gears would have been just as awesome on Xbox 1) then all it takes is someone to sift though the crap Wii games (which i KNOW is a higher percentage than other consoles) to find the really good games that DO exist. You're the one missing out, and i truly feel sorry for you.
WRE @ Nov 23rd 2008 2:16AM
You guys have to try to see things from tmac's side. What if you were obsessed with getting married and you were always helping out with other peoples' weddings and the Wii (who secretly happens to be your favorite wedding reporter) wrote an article about you in the New York Post mockingly entitled "Always, always, always a bridesmaid"?* Don't you think you would also be upset and hate the Wii?
*Any resemblance of tmac's life to the movie "27 Dresses" is entirely intentional.
Foetoid @ Nov 23rd 2008 2:40AM
LOL. Well played WRE. I honestly wish i could understand the hate. Granted if tmac is a 100% graphics whore, then that could be the source, but he says the games themselves are crap, which they're not. HD games on 360/Ps3 play exactly the same as their last-gen prequals, but Wii games play totally differently because of the enhanced controls (as long as the developer implements them properly). Thats why i haven't got a 360 (yet!, very soon). Every game i've played on my brother-in-laws 360 is just the same as previous-gen games but they look better. I prefer to play games differently rather than have HD graphics. I do have a 52" HDTV and a high-end PC, and i know HD graphics are nice, but they don't make the game anymore fun or intuitive to play. I will of course get a 360 for Gears 2, Fable 2, FFXIII, RE5, SC4, DMC4 and Naruto: Broken Bond, but that doesn't change the fact the Wii will stay as my console of choice for quality games. I finished TP for the 2nd time the other day and it's just as breathtaking the 1st time around as the first, love it.
WilhelmThe1st @ Nov 23rd 2008 2:53AM
The Wii sucks.
Foetoid @ Nov 23rd 2008 3:02AM
LOL WilhelmThe1st. I feel sorry for you too. After playing games for 23 years, i'm happier with the Wii than any other console i've ever owned (with the N64 in a very close 2nd). You're the one missing out.
Haggard @ Nov 23rd 2008 5:37AM
I'm not opposed to the Wii (I game on PC/PS3, and my sister has one), but tmac is on the right side in that the 360 has an incomprehensibly large library of very good games.
While I'm not saying that there is nothing good on the Wii, I would be suprised if it could come to a list of good games a quarter the size of the 360's without scraping the barrel.
Foetoid @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:00AM
Won't be hard to do haggard if you went exclusives. The Wii is an excellent console because of the vast amount of exclusive content, where as 99% of all 360 games are on PC, Ps3 or both. It's also be hard to do if you chopped out FPS games since dual-analog controls have killed FPS console games forever. I have to force myself to finish any sort of console-exclusive FPS game these days (like Halo Trilogy) simply because the primitive and innaccurate dual-analog controls are such a chore. Once it's on PC tho, i love every minute of it. 360 is an excellent machine and the HD games on it that i'll get when i get a 360 are unmissable, like DMC4, SCIV, FFXIII, Fable 2, Gears 2 and RE5. But most games will be done better on PC and if it's on PC, i'd get that well before anything on 360.
Bowser Rogozhin @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:09AM
Stop arguing and go play some games. All of you.
Noshino @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:25AM
uh, Foetoid, although tmac's point wasn't well elaborated, he is for the most part right.
To begin with, the PS2 which was as popular as the Wii and had an even bigger catalog of games, yet it had a higher average ranking than the Wii.
"HD games on 360/Ps3 play exactly the same as their last-gen prequals,"
Uh, CoD4, Siren, Burnout, Warhawk, Killzone, SOCOM Confrontation...
The thing is, you are just mentioning the upper hand that the 360 and the PS3 have in the graphics department, but why don't you guys that keep saying graphics don't matter ever mention that these "HD" consoles also have more power to make games that wouldn't have been possible last gen, or even this gen on the Wii?
Whether you like it or not, that is a huge plus, and yes, it indeed adds many new gameplay mechanics
"but Wii games play totally differently because of the enhanced controls (as long as the developer implements them properly)"
Guess what? that's not the case for over 80% of the games for the Wii out there, and even the highest rated game, Super Mario Galaxy, didn't take much advantage of it
"Thats why i haven't got a 360 (yet!, very soon). Every game i've played on my brother-in-laws 360 is just the same as previous-gen games but they look better."
Once again, they are not the same
"I prefer to play games differently rather than have HD graphics. I do have a 52" HDTV and a high-end PC, and i know HD graphics are nice, but they don't make the game anymore fun or intuitive to play."
The thing is, you ARE playing games differently, just because you are using a similar controller from last gen it doesn't mean that it controls the same way.
The fun part varies according to the person's tastes, I can respect your position, but don't make up bs about HD consoles not making games more intuitive, when on the contrary, the extra power that they have allows developers to further tweak gameplay mechanics.
Look, I'm not saying that the Wii is bad from every angle, I do like the use of the IR pointer, hopefully Sony and Microsoft find a way to include it on their controllers without having to change much of their current designs.
"but that doesn't change the fact the Wii will stay as my console of choice for quality games."
Good for you if you enjoy the games that the Wii offers
"I finished TP for the 2nd time the other day and it's just as breathtaking the 1st time around as the first, love it."
funny thing, most gamers and critics alike believe the GameCube version was better
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 23rd 2008 7:56AM
And just about every wii game could have been done on the gamecube. Gimmicky waggle controls doesn't really add anything to a game, it just creates an illusion that you're doing something new and different when really instead of pressing A you're waving your arm up and down. Not very impressive if you ask me.
I didn't really flesh out what I was tryin to say last night and I blame being tired for that but I'll try now.
Most of us know the wii's lineup is abysmal, a black hole of suckage if you will. A picky hardcore gamer wouldn't even have some of the percieved great games on the 360/ps3, as the word picky is the key here.
Yet you said you're a picky hardcore gamer "and it's amazing how big that list has gotten"...that list being "great wii games". Now depending on what you mean by a big list that's virtually impossible given just how awful the wii's lineup really is. Saying you're a picky hardcore gamer and that there's a huge list of great games on the wii is an oxymoron, and I'm calling you out for calling yourself that. It's statistically impossible.
Bowser Rogozhin @ Nov 23rd 2008 8:28AM
I see a lot of weak conjecture and waffle, but little substance from the kid.
Let's leave aside whatever the definition hardcore gamer is, because I'm sure that has real foundation, amirite?
Gaming is all about illusion, illusion and gorging on that illusion. On a single day I can wander through swamps, pilot a plane, and win the FA Cup, and if one feels that shaking an arm to simulate an action feels more natural, then more power to them.
"Most of us know the wii's lineup is abysmal, a black hole of suckage if you will."
And try not to use words like 'us' to hide your personal angst. If people are satisfied then people are satisfied; essays on a niche blog won't change a thing. If there was true dissatisfaction then the same word of mouth that propelled the console into the stratosphere would have condemned the Wii to an early grave. But that hasn't occurred.
It's not surprised that some are bitter and they cling to their dual analogues and the like, spewing anti-Wii sentiment to explain away sad frustrations, but people are happy. Only a jealous fool spits at the happiness of others, a jealous, small fool.
Noshino @ Nov 23rd 2008 9:08AM
"Actually, I think you'll find that most 360 games are incredibly similar to their predecessors. Lift away the veil of HD and you soon discover that there is little difference: same control schemes, same motivations, same scenarios, same shit. This constant sameness becomes awfully mediocre after awhile, so I share Foetoid's disillusionment with the 360."
I apologize if that is true, I'm not that familiar with the Xbox line
"And you really can't compare a fully fleshed out PS2 library to the Wii, two years after its birth. The PS2 had a terrible first year, there was really nothing to play. Whereas the Wii had already received Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, WarioWare, as well as many others. In the same time period, PS2 gamers were still pretending to enjoy Fantavision."
Its exactly because of that that I'm comparing them, the PS2 by its first year already had many above average titles, specially 2 that I still love, Zone of the Enders and Oni, you have had to live somewhere else or maybe be on crack to say that there weren't good games during the first year
Here is a list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_PlayStation_2_games
"Gaming is all about illusion, illusion and gorging on that illusion. On a single day I can wander through swamps, pilot a plane, and win the FA Cup, and if one feels that shaking an arm to simulate an action feels more natural, then more power to them."
You are right, but you forgot to mention that gaming is about giving image to that illusion, and bringing it to reality, a virtual one that is. And as such, it is rather senseless to say that the power of the consoles, which helps developers expand the game worlds and further develop characters, isn't needed.
Once again, I do agree that if he enjoys it, then more power my man, but you can't say that "HD" (more power) isn't needed/welcome
"And try not to use words like 'us' to hide your personal angst. If people are satisfied then people are satisfied; essays on a niche blog won't change a thing. If there was true dissatisfaction then the same word of mouth that propelled the console into the stratosphere would have condemned the Wii to an early grave. But that hasn't occurred."
I agree that he shouldn't have used us.
My dissatisfaction comes from the fact that I'm a huge fan of Nintendo, or at least used to be, not because of just the Wii or DS, but because of what they as a whole represent, Nintendo is going for the biggest crowd, and as such are going all out for them, in that attempt at trying to make games more accessible, they have lost their charm.
Two examples, Fire Emblem and Star Fox franchises, go and play the latest releases of both franchises. (NOTE: I have seen much of Shadow Dragon, I was referring about Sacred Stones and the GC releases)
UltimateQ @ Nov 23rd 2008 9:15AM
Tmac is probably one of those who think the Halo series is the best that was ever created.
Graphics can only get you so far. 100% of the games released today can be played using lesser graphical quality.
Your argument of the controls is moot. Its just your opinion. The numbers are far more indicative of how accepted it is. The "waggled controls", while perhaps gimmicky, have shown that people want a change from the standard "thumb twittling" controls that have been standard for the past 2 decades.
I'm also assuming that you've never really had the chance to fully experiment with the Wiimote and how well it works. Nintendo did a hell of a good job with it.
Your game lineup argument is understandable. I would imagine developing for the wii would be a bit harder than any other console. So there is not tidal wave of awesome titles. Although, there is still enough to keep you entertained. Mario Kart is one that comes to mind, but I enjoy it without the weird steering wheel.
Haggard @ Nov 23rd 2008 10:24AM
I personally think Halo is pretty poor but whether you like it or not it pretty much invented the modern console FPS as we know it.
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 23rd 2008 12:30PM
Actually I despise Halo, so try again kid.
Titanium_Orchid @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:20PM
I liked the original Halo. Its the only game I have enjoyed playing cooperatively.
Mr Khan @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:32PM
Bowser's right, in that all enjoyment of games is derived from the interaction one feels. Previously, it was about pumping up graphics and story, but there was still a limit for many people, that they simply couldn't feel the interaction because of the arbitrary nature of a classic controller
Which isn't to say that better graphics/physics etc., haven't increased the level of immersion also, but not in the numbers that Nintendo has drawn in
Ideally, the optimal solution would be to have both. As a fanboy, however, i will go where Nintendo leads, so long as they keep giving me the awesome (and there's no sign of that drying out any time in 2009)
Markez @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:34PM
There's a distinction here in this specific thread that got lost in the nonsense awhile ago. And that is current catalog vs. upcoming lineup. Remember kids, it's how this thread started and apparently neither of you were paying attention.
Current catalog is good, and I don't have any issues finding quality games to play. The upcoming lineup is really, really, weak. Can we all be friends now?
@ Titanium Orchid - I played the first GoW with my then roommate co-op the whole way through, was a lot of fun. Now he moved to TX and I moved to CA, and we're doing GoW2 co-op and I'm loving it again. We tried doing some Halo 3, but I am just not into that game. Loneliest game in my collection. Eh, I'll finish it some day.
Titanium_Orchid @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:41PM
@Markez
I played Halo with my room mate in college. He's interested in RE5 so I might bite the bullet and play my first every Resident Evil game (I always hated the controls).
Part of the appeal of co-op might be the "other person in the room" factor.
As for the original topic of conversation: I LIKE VIDEO GAMEZ!
Markez @ Nov 23rd 2008 1:54PM
Yeah, VIDEO GAMEZ was a great title on the 360, then they ported it to the PS3 and it blew ass. Power of cell my ass.
*flees*
BIGGEN (LIVE-PSN: BIGGEN1103) @ Nov 23rd 2008 2:16PM
@Bowser Rogozhin
weren't you the same guy that told people to stop arguing and go play? then you begin arguing?
anyway, i gotta side with tmac here. as a former wii owner, i got VERY tired of it VERY quickly. For four reasons:
1)after the gimmick wears off, you realize just how inferior it is to the 360 and ps3. those are "entertainment hubs" and have much better games than the wii. what can the wii do? seriously? and it's only $50 less than a complete 360!
2)the graphics. you guys defending the wii say "everyone knows graphics don't matter" because you all don't have good hi def graphics on your system. so why would it matter to you? tell you what tho, i would rather play something that looks pretty on my 42" LCD HDTV than something that looks like even more shit on it. i didn't pay a pretty penny for this tv to play shitty looking games on it, got it? and i'm sure you didn't either. was your thought process: "i think i'll go buy this expensive ass tv and then buy a WII!" yeah right. fucking moronic waste of money.
3)this "great list of wii games" is very subjective. i found all the usual nintendo A list titles to be very lackluster except for mario galaxy. that game was fun and imaginative (and also frustrating at times because of the controls), but zelda was the same ol' shit, metroid prime was the same ol' shit, smash bros. was the same ol' shit, and they were only made worse by the gimmick. the best game on the wii is currently the best game that was on the gamecube. and that would be RE4. imagine if THAT had been in HD on the wii. WOW! oh, yeah, it is gonna be in HD! on the ps3 and 360 in the form of RE5 ;D
4)last but not least, we have to talk about online. the wii is an unstable (at best) ps2 in that aspect. yes, there is a form of a marketplace for games, but how many of these have been incorporated with multiplayer? most arcade games on the 360 and ps3 have been revamped or built (graphics included) to have some sort of multiplayer or leaderboards or SOMETHING to make the purchase worthwhile. and then there's the real games with multiplayer. STABLE multiplayer that you actually count on as part of buying a game so that it makes it more worthwhile. $10 extra than a wii game for HD graphics and multiplayer, hell yeah.
anyway, i could keep going with this, but i'm gonna go do something else now. btw, just to let you know, you can get rid of your wii on ebay for between $400-$500 dollars. if you have a bunch of shit with it, even more. i sold mine last SUMMER for $435. one extra remote, and RE4. just something to think aboot.
UltimateQ @ Nov 23rd 2008 2:23PM
Again, the numbers do not lie. You can argue all you want. The Wii still outsells both others by light years. So people must like it.
As long as I have my PC all consoles are inferior. No matter what console I have it will collect dust because I tend to play on my PC whenever possible.
Sackolantern PSN ID: johnnynumber5 @ Nov 23rd 2008 4:00PM
I have started to come around to the Wii because it is not a PS360. It is what it is but saying that the only difference in current and last gen PS360 games is HD is completely false. If that were true the multiplatform releases of brothers in arms hells highway & call of duty world at war wold have been the same sans the graphics. They were not even close.
If you want to play the last generation card then the only difference between game cube games and Wii games are the controls. The graphics of Mario Sunshine and Mario Galaxy are very comparable in quality. There is no reason to think that any Wii exclusive could not have been recreated nearly identical on the game cube
I don't want to get into this whole argument but you can't have it both ways in terms of the Wii, PS3 & 360. There are allot of solid Wii exclusives that I enjoy with my entire family. For me the biggest purpose and benefit of the Wii is the types of casual (not crap) games. The PS360 don't have enough of those titles.
Pedobear @ Nov 23rd 2008 4:10PM
Just because I bought a Wii 2 years ago, doesn't mean I still like it.
Sackolantern PSN ID: johnnynumber5 @ Nov 23rd 2008 4:17PM
@Ultimate Q
So by your logic of the numbers not lying you must also believe that McDonalds has the best cheeseburgers, taco bell the best taco's and KFC has the best fried chicken simply because more people buy food from them. GTFO of here with that logic man. No one is arguing that the Wii sells the most consoles. We are talking about our own anecdotal experience and perceptions based off of our feeling with this generation.
Lavat @ Nov 23rd 2008 4:35PM
Omg....Pedobear...Aren't you associated with a MGO clan.
I found out that you guys do this all day.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=mgs&thread.id=476906&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Yea...I know what you are up to. Don't let me catch you.
Tonyplusplus @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:05PM
@BIGGEN
1) Inferior is subject to opinion. I for one agree that it's inferior, not a terrible system though. It just has a distinct lack of games.
2) Graphics really don't matter. Ask PS2. You graphics whores need to lay off.
3)"they were only made worse by the gimmick"
Prime was awesome and saying that FPS games on the Wii are a using its controls as a gimmick is just dumb. Think.
Smash's default controls didn't use any of the motion sensing or IR sensing, if you thought the controls were gimmicky because of them it was your own damn fault.
4) Wii's online system (including all aspects of online) is clearly better than PS2's online. Otherwise it's a piece of shit and should have been done a lot better.
TL;DR
BIGGEN is half an idiot (2 of his 4 points were sensible!)
Moptimus Slime @ Nov 23rd 2008 6:07PM
"funny thing, most gamers and critics alike believe the GameCube version was better"
Really? Lets ask Metacritic
Gamecube: 16 reviews, 6 100%, 96%
Wii: 65 reviews, 23 100%, 95% overall
all 6 sites that gave the GCN version 100% also gave the Wii version 100%.
Yep, there was a huge schism between the opinions of the GCN and Wii versions