Dead Space demo arriving Nov. 25

C'mon, don't you know on Joystiq, anything that doesn't do GoW2 numbers is automatically a failure?

Who cares if it's GREAT numbers for a brand new IP (lookin' at you LBP) they still act like it's an abyssmal bomb because first week wasn't 3mil.

That's over NINE THOUSAND!!!!

You have to understand that LBP was a triple A title from a first party studio. To sell 200k copies on launch day makes it an abysmal failure compared to how many it ought to have sold, being a AAA title.

Dead space is a different beast I think. I doubt anyone (other than the game reviewers that hyped it to no end) expected the game to sell many more than 200k on it's first day. If it did sell 400k in the first week, then you are absolutely right in saying that it is a success.

Actually LBP is a platformer from a tiny brit studio, hardly MGS4 level.
Funny how the people who assume it should have sold a bajillion in its first week are all people who didn't want it to.

A tiny brit studio that Sony pumped millions of dollars into for development, and millions more for advertising. Yeah, it's almost an indie title, I know.

I bought a copy, and I would have loved if it could have been a blockbuster hit. It's always nice when something original actually does well.

Like it or not, the launch was flat, and no amount of calling other people fanboys or haters is going to fix it.


(certainly another 800k people buying the game this month could make us all forget about the terrible day one sales though. We'll see in a few weeks)

It was/ is just too darn scary for me. Yep im a wuss.
I'll watch someone play it, but im not gonna be in my room @ 12midnight, lights out, playing this. No siree bobbarino!

At least in the ever so short L4D, i can have friends help out.

Hmm, it's about as scary as Resident Evil 4. Which is to say, not really, but I like them both anyway. (I think the only place that scared me in RE4 was the penitentiary. What the hell was up with that writhing burlap sack/meat thing?) If you really want to be scared, get Silent Hill.

I can think of a few reasons;

Fallout 3

Gears 2

And with those I don't have to give those SecuROM loving pricks at EA my money.

PC version of Fallout 3 installs SecuRom, does it not? For a disc check, I believe.

I was going to mention this too. I plan on picking it up. Scary space goodness for 30 bucks; I'm there!

Only one problem w/ that plan: you have to go out on Black Friday. Don't get me wrong, Dead Space is a fantastic game (I'm only on Ch. 7 because I have to pace myself- I'm freaked out for days after I play it because I'm always on edge) but fighting to find a parking space, being in a gigantic crowd, waiting forever in the check out lanes. Ugh.

Yeah it's a hell of a deal! I personally am going to buy it along with Burnout.

Just make them up like everyone else here.

I too, would like to see some sales figures

There's no such thing as exact figures. Even official tracking companies like NPD aren't exact, they just estimate based off of reports from a selection of retailers.

VgChartz is probably your best bet, really. They're far from perfect, but not as bad as most people here make out, and their figures usually line up well with the official ones.

according to VG Chartz, Dead Space sold approximately 800,000 over the PS360. A much higher number than I had assumed in an earlier post.

So yea... not I don't feel bad about not playing the game

800K as of Oct. 9th

i love joystiq, thanks boys

Sales for L4D are in the $18 hojillion area, rivaling The Orange Boxs' $24 hojillion. Meanwhile, Sony has lost half of last years' financial quarter net synergy by %41. Thousand. (In the UK.)

Got the numbers here fresh off the presses:

Dead Space sold a few.
Mirrors Edge sold some.

Just to aid in using this system, Halo 3 and Super Mario sold a bunch.

sooo..... Wii sports sold an ass-ton then?

I believe the term is "10 Shitloads."

Assuming makes an ass out of you and me.

No, to assume is to make an ass of you and me. Assuming makes an ass out of Ming (the Merciless.) Go ahead, ask him. If you dare.

I'm Listening...

That's because the 2000 people on Joystiq are not representitive of the 50 million person population that buys videogames and follows them substantially less closely.

Curious if you bought them...

When I say nobody buys them I'm included. ( but I only have a DS)

I'll be buying the PC versions of both - Mirror's Edge when it actually comes out for PC in 2009, and Dead Space when I have some money

I bought them both, because they are both kickass games, and I support originality.

And I heart my PS3, and my PC has an AGP card in it >.

You were expecting a survival horror game to be 1st person? Have you ever played a survival horror game?

What do you call BioShock, Condemned 1 and 2, and Doom?

Well, I wouldn't exactly call Bioshock a survivial horror, and I *definately* wouldn't call Doom one.

I'm not usually one to go off on people spelling things incorrectly, but if you're going to put extra emphasis on a word and make it all "hey look at me and read this word really loudly", then that's one you should probably get right.

Hint: There's no "a" in definite ;)

I should probably have known that, given that I'm studying English at University...

(I blame MS Word; it always auto-corrects it for me.)

Well they all have things trying to kill you, you trying to survive, and freaky things all around you.

What exactly is considered a survival horror game then?

Well, Doom doesn't count as a survival horror because you're a testosterone laden kill marine in space sporting no less than 10 guns. Just because the enemies are legions of the damned as opposed to terrorists doesn't change the shoot 'em up genre.

This is a tricky subject. You could look up the dictionary definition, but often times gamers will disagree. I had a similar heated argument with a friend about what constitutes a puzzle game. He called Myst a puzzle game, because you can't die. I called it an adventure game with an emphasis on puzzle solving.

Doom is an FPS, Condemned is not. It's not the perspective that counts, it's the emphasis on scaring the player that mostly makes up a survival horror in my opinion. Secondly, though, I would say that survival horror games should give you a lack of ammo and tight spaces, making the player really having to think about whether or not they want to use the ammo or run.

I personally think Resident Evil stopped being survival horror at #4... It is an action game in my opinion. I would classify Dead Space, having played through it, an action game that relies on scares to set the mood of the game. I know it can be argued, but the game focuses on combat, which is why I think this way. If the ammo was much more scarce, and the enemies were fewer and more powerful, well... maybe then it could be a survival horror.

I think I'll get a 50/50 agreement on this one. I could either be spot-on, or I'll just get people responding by saying "you have to survive enemies, and it's totally horror!!!..." but in that case, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, House of the Dead, etc., are survival horrors.

Thoughts?

I'm with you Levi. You might have wanted to mention the difference between startle and scare as well.

REmake was Survival Horror. I was scared just opening doors to places I had never been before.

RE4 was 3rd person shooter. It's survival horror content was approximately 0. Only the ignorant people still call it survival horror.

Doom 3 was... I don't even know. Without the duct tape mod, it was scary stupid?