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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 8:44PM iwantmymtv said

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To Roto 13

More Chins than a Chinese phone book.....


??? how do I post a comment under somebody else comment?

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 8:53PM (Unverified) said

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the force is not strong with this one
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 8:48PM The Albatross said

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Aww poor gabe, give the guy a break for being a house. Most fat people, well, I'll ridicule them to myself to no end, but Gabe Newell has created arguably two of the greatest videogames ever made and a tremendous content delivery system... and for that, I will never insult him.

But man, anybody remember the early days of Steam and how everybody on the internet hated it? I love how vindicated Valve has become from the unparalelled success of Steam.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 9:01PM Zertoss said

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The Internet doesn't hate Steam anymore, because Valve listened to the many valid complaints and concerns that the community had and addressed them and still continues to do so. It's because of this that I think Steam has enjoyed its incredible success.

It's amazing what you can accomplish by listening to the people who will pay for your games.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 8:56PM (Unverified) said

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Gotta say I'm very happy to hear him say this. The only valid complaint I've ever heard someone make about Steam is what if the activation servers go down forever? Steam is turned off and no one can play their games.

But hearing Gabe say this means he knows the obvious follies of treating purchased products like that. As it is, there is already a -nosteam command line argument that allows you to play some games not only in offline mode, but without steam at all. My guess if that were to EVER happen, Valve would release an update to permanently envoke this command on all installed games.

"But it's all downloaded! If the servers go, so do new copies and new installs!"

Well that's true too. But Steam has many backup options so you can back up copies of your games to a disc, drive folder, etc. Anywhere you like so you'll have your own hard copy.

Keep in mind these problems would come up in the magical situation that Steam were to permanently shut down. So even in a worse-case scenario, we can backup our games and if Valve didn't give us an option, apply third-party patches to play our games off of Steam. (Or perhaps an alternative Steam client could be made)

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 8:55PM (Unverified) said

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meh... steam is the best of the best.... i remember i hated it too... but a fool i was... A DAMNED FOOL!!!!

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 8:56PM Supermanisdead said

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drm sux amirite?

lolursorite!11!!1!1!!1

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 8:56PM (Unverified) said

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Valve sucks and I will never buy another game from them again, no matter how great it is. Yes their system is robust against piracy, which I have never done, will do or condone, however I do like to buy used games or sell games once I am finished with them to offset the total cost of gaming, however with Steam (ing pill of crap) that can't be done. How would that work for a car manufacturer, saying you don't own the car you just bought the right to drive the car. You can never sell the car, trade the car etc. If that were the case no sane person would buy it. Same goes for Steam. The thing that makes me made is they could allow for selling used software etc and still ensure no piracy, how ever they are too greedy for that.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 9:33PM TacoHell said

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Yes, they suck because they don't let you sell PC games...something Gamestop doesn't do either. Oh god, whatever shall you do, buying a game at full price and keeping it for life?! Oh no the dilemma! From your post, your basically saying you don't keep any games you buy. Then why buy em in the first place? Rent it from GameFly or Blockbuster and save some money. I, for one, love Steam and buy most of my PC games from it. Because, and here's the shocker, I usually plan to keep the games I buy for years on end.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 9:42PM (Unverified) said

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You realize that it's pretty much ILLEGAL to sell used PC games at retail stores, right? The reason? Piracy lol.. they can just easily copy the data to the HDD and run it from there, then just sell it back.

Sorry, but you're a tard.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 10:00PM (Unverified) said

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when you purchase games today, your mainly buying the right to play the game. Your not actually buying the game. In that way, buying a game is much different from buying a car.

@Arnon

It is more definitely NOT ILLEGAL to sell used software back to retailers. It is also NOT ILLEGAL for a retailer to to sell used software.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2008 12:50AM Roto13 said

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Yeah, because other than Steam, selling PC games second hand works oh-so-very-well.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 9:12PM ducttapeBigSexy said

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I'll admit, as far as DRM goes, Steam is the least bad. But, it's still bad - it may not limit the number of times I have to install a game, but it still forces me to activate. After having to call Microsoft multiple times for my legit copy of XP Home, I will never purchase another piece of software with online activation. Ever. It's why I'm moving back to console gaming.

Honesty, I really never understood what was so bad about a simple disk check. My thought has been this - if someone is smart enough to install a crack to get around a simple disk check, they're smart enough to install a crack to get around a more serious disk check (Securom), online activation, or any combination of garbage. All it does is hurt honest gamers - pirates aren't affected.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 10:36PM adeese said

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The problem with disk checks is games that you buy/download online - there is no disk to check in that case.

Would I prefer it if games + Steam didn't have DRM? You bet. However, Steam has never gotten in my way DRM-wise, so I'm more than happy to support it and Valve for doing the best they can.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 11:51PM ducttapeBigSexy said

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@Andy

Digital distribution is even worse than online activation. Not only does it force users to rely on a company's servers for installation (who says they'll be running 5 years from now?), except now you don't even get a nice box to put on your shelf.

And, what happens if Valve goes out of business some day? Where are you going to download your games from? DRM puts way too much fate and power in game companies...
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 9:22PM TheDarkWayne said

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God, I feel so bad for Gabe Newell, he is so fat. If only peoples looks were directly proportional to their awesomeness

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 10:06PM (Unverified) said

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His size tells you how awesome he is. A lot.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 9:33PM CynicalStrike said

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Does DRM stand for Dinner, Restaurants and Meals?

From the looks of things he should be in favour of all of those.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 9:46PM Nadril said

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I'm not sure I get the outburst some people have had over this? He said that most DRM methods are stupid. This is true.

Steam is a service. I choose to buy games over steam if I can because it is easy, it's convenient and I know that if I get a new computer down the road it will be a matter of hours before I have the steam games I want back and downloaded, instead of having to worry about CD's scratching, forgetting and losing CD keys from manuals, ect. ect.


It's DRM. But it's HELPFUL DRM.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 10:51PM (Unverified) said

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Well steam won't let me play valve games when I'm not connected to the internet... am I doing something wrong?

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 2:52AM context said

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Yes you are! After you have downloaded and fully updated a game. You can go and play it offline as much as you want.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2008 4:44PM (Unverified) said

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I try, it's updated I can play CoD4 when offline but not half-life.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 11:09PM (Unverified) said

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really? this is why i've got a copy of Orange Box PC sitting next to me that i can't play anymore because i had to reinstall/upgrade my computer's software to make it usable?

fuck off gabe newell.

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 3:59AM SirDigby337 said

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just login to your steam account and re-download it
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Posted: Dec 4th 2008 11:57PM (Unverified) said

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The copy is tied to your Steam account; just log back into it, and it should be there. You may have to reinstall it.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 11:28PM (Unverified) said

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I really dislike Steam. Once you buy a Valve game, even if it's a boxed copy, it's apparently forever locked into your email account at Steam. Meaning you can't sell the game afterwards. I never play Team Fortress 2, Half-life 2, or Portal anymore... but I have no way to get any of my money back on them.

As Gamestop said recently, fight piracy, not second hand sales.

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 11:59PM (Unverified) said

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Most game stores don't buy used PC games anyway; what would you do with it? Sell it personally?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2008 12:06AM (Unverified) said

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Ebay, dood. Ebay.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 11:35PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Don't be fooled, Gabe is a lion with the ladies :)

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 11:52PM (Unverified) said

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OMG!!! Its a real life Boomer!

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 1:09AM (Unverified) said

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Software activation is an unnecessary pain when you have the disc in hand. Steam is annoying if you are running a firewall - it's really surprising how many times the darned thing phones home on so many different ports and IP addresses, even when you're not running any games. By default, it installs itself in your taskbar and runs on boot or login, doing who knows what. Add in the fact that you don't really own the game you bought (since you can't resell it), and Steam looks pretty similar to other "dumb" DRM schemes.

Posted: Dec 5th 2008 12:01AM (Unverified) said

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Where do you plan on reselling your used PC games? Most game stores won't take them, and I don't know anyone in their right mind who would buy a used PC game.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2008 1:46AM EclipseCDN said

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I freaking love steam. If I could, I would buy my games only through that service. Everything about it just works, and it works extremely well. They got these kick ass sales too - I picked up audio surf for 2.50, I got titan quest gold edition for 10 bucks. These aren't shovelware titles - these are kick ass games on the cheap. If you preorder games on steam, they often throw in wicked preorder bonuses - For instance, they threw in one of the prince of Persia games when you bought the latest prince of Persia.

When you do preorder the files are preloaded so you can play the title pretty much the second it's out. Furthermore, you don't have to worry about games taking up too much hard drive space. You can re-download the games as many times as you want. I could go on about steam community being a better xbox live for free or about how the app is light on system resources, but i'll stop my fawning there.

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 2:06AM blash said

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Steam is one of those genius ideas that takes something ordinarily seen as bad (DRM) and makes it good. Steam's DRM allows me to download my games to any machine as many times as I want - no optical media or CD-keys to lose. That's something I put a rather high value on as someone who does a bit of moving around the country, I don't have to cart around a bunch of optical disks just in case I want to reinstall. It's easy, it works, and it's well worth the tradeoffs.

If you don't like it, install Steam to a virtual machine, buy whatever, and then download the pirated version to your main machine.

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 2:15AM (Unverified) said

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The last three sentences are so true. There's hardly any cracked games on Steam and the experience on there is so pure. It's really, REALLY close to Xbox Live in terms of a polished online experience. It even surpasses it in many rights. Valve FTW!

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 2:34AM (Unverified) said

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stop that

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 3:17AM Mike Knew said

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One point that should be raised here: Valve and Stardock are private companies. They can do whatever they want. If a publicly traded company like EA didn't try anything to combat piracy it probably wouldn't go down too well with their shareholders.

That said, I love Steam and would buy every game on Steam if I could.

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 10:15AM theenglishman said

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I seem to remember people complaining about Steam's copyright protection system when Half-Life 2 was released, but yeah it's grown on us. Steam looks downright civil compared to EA's DRM.

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 3:04PM (Unverified) said

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I got an idea get working on CS:S updates or even CS2!

Posted: Dec 4th 2008 3:49PM (Unverified) said

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Why don't you go play Left4Dead, you'll probably enjoy the change :)
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Posted: Dec 5th 2008 1:27PM (Unverified) said

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GOD DAMN STEAM.
LOOK AT THIS BADASS BASTARD OF A SYSTEM.
YOU WANT EASY SERVER FINDING. CHRIST YOU JUST GOT IT.
MOD SUPPORT? YOU JOKER, YOU ALREADY HAVE IT.

VALVE'S AND OTHER'S GAMES ON EASY DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION? GOD DAMN YOU JUST GOT IT.

DON'T STARE, IT'LL EAT YOUR SOUL.

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