November NPD shows PS3 selling less than half than 360 [Update]

Because PC is such a thriving platform?

The number of PCs sold in November will easily trump the sales of all the Console put together :)

Haha, but the number of PCs with dedicated graphics cards that can handle modern games?

I love how the PC gamers throw that in everytime a PC vs console argument arises. The simple fact of the matter is that A PC IS RESTRICTED TO JUST GAMING. Businesses buy them in bulk, kids buy them for school, not to mention people just buying netbooks just to go online.

Andrew, there are tons of pc's out there with dedicated graphics systems, powerful systems.
This is why Valve is thriving on there, games on Steam are doing great.

Digital Distribution is taking over on the PC. World of Warcraft makes more money and sales then any of these software sales every month. That's one game on the PC.
And PC's only for gaming? HA. I play on this pc and i'm typing this back to you, i enjoy my ps3 for stuff i cant get on the pc like console and sony exclusives..or games that they gimp on the PC

How about GTA IV, for example. We all know that the game looked super shit on the PS3 and 360 while the PC version looked freaking awesome. The PS3/360, in my opinion, are not graphically on par with the PS3. The PS3's video card was supposed to be on par with some nVidia #7 series card and we're way past that (correct me if you may, but I think we're on the #11 series).

Henceforth, I will always believe that the PC is the most powerful machine out there just because of the semi-annual hardware updates to trounce the last update. I love my PS3, but I have to give credit where it is due. By the way, PC gaming is not expensive. You can start browsing at newegg and it would show you how relatively cheap you can get a PC gaming rig at a low price - and PC gaming IS NOT dead.

Why the hate on PC gaming Andrew? I wish it was more thriving though, PC games need to be more scalable, able to be run on lower end computers as well and not poorly coded like the PC version of GTA4.

I hope PC gaming will never die.

I'm not hating on PC gaming. Heck, I helped out on our PC gaming site, Big Download. I have a rig, but to think PC is "thriving" beyond WoW is a bit of an overstatement. Unless you think months-late ports of console games are the future of gaming.

Your correct Andrew. Of course consoles are far cheaper and will attract a much larger audience which then attracts many more developers to develop much more games hence attracting an even larger audience. :)

The PC does have its benefits such as user mods, higher resolutions, higher FPSs, so long as your system can handle it. I can't stand playing Fallout 3 on a console anymore after seeing it run at 60fps on a PC, for those that have a powerful enough system. :)

As I said, PC games do need to be more scalable and run decently even on lower end older systems. It's a shame that WoW is the biggest game on PC. Its still a popular system in some countries and I'm surprised that Street Fighter 4 is coming to PC, I haven't seen a fighting game on PC in years.

I just hope that PC gaming can do better in the future and will never die, let it keep a nice niche of the gaming market just like the PS3.

I wanna be the guy!!! Awesome game! Still cant beat the final boss though :(.

So what the PS3 isn't selling as high? I dont care as long as I'm enjoying it and they keep making games.

I want to see it. Heck, I'll get it published on PSN.

If you wanna be really rich, don't forget to release it on Wii, DS and Iphone too.

I don't care what they say, I enjoy 360, PS3 and PC all lthe same. All have great games and all have their own special traits. Why be a PC, 360, or PS3 fanboy when you can be a GAMING fanyboy that believes in equality?

I hear that! You're the best!

That's okay. Those people who purchase the $199 XBOX360s will soon find out how limited the base system is. Then they'll find out the hardware is about as reliable as Windows is when they have to return their systems 3 times over the next year for RROD problems.

Then they'll see the new PS3-only Final Fantasy XIII promos on TV and realize how much of a mistake it was to buy an XBOX360.

We will win this war!!!

I lol'd.

Andrew, don't start telling people you can help get games on PSN.. you'll have mobs of hobby devs knocking on your door :)

Word!

Except MS already announced they want the 360 to last 1 day longer than the PS3 lulz.

Not to mention the number of units sold to uneducated parents shopping for their kids for the holidays...REAL gamers know to buy the superior technology in the PS3...

Blow --- you may think they are crap, but I just got my PS3 back from service, not my 360.....

I have all three, and the PS3 maybe better on hardware. That's great, it's got blu-ray - perfect, except when myself and two other people I know have failures of the BR - drive within a month of each other.....

The wars go back and forth, it's like '1984' (if you read books), MS is at war with Sony, then it's at war with Nintendo, then it's at war again with Sony...it's never ending.

Be the hater of anything but Sony if you choose, however until Sony puts several things out that really seals the deal, ie - price drop AND, games that come down in price sooner, AND, better download content AND tweaks that the MAINSTREAM can use like user friendly streaming video (I know it can be done now, but joe the plumber and the hockey mom isn't going to do it the way you have to today), it's going to be tough for Sony to unseat the entrenched establishment that M$ has started with Marketplace.

Kudos to Sony if they can, but they aren't there yet. I think it'll be at least another year (2010), but by then, it's going to be 5 years since the Xbox360 came out, and time for a hardware refresh to the next big thing.

The fact that Nintendo is doing so well even in spite of the consoles lack of power, HD, dvd playback, etc, and it is still selling good guns, simply because of the novelty of motion controlling, etc. It's small, cute, and family oriented.

If you look at sales, your going to see that it shows how the world buys stuff. Mainstream Nintendo on top for families, 360 for middle of the roads, and PS3 for the niche that know how best to utilize the hardware.

Do you honestly believe that Sony will keep this "10-year lifecycle" even if the console doesn't take off?

Exactly!

Sony, heads up ffs!

ROFL. Uh no. PS3 is solidly 3rd this holiday season in every region except Japan.

actually, yes it is in europe and japan

Your equation leaves software out of the picture. Even if the 360 and PS3 were each bought with one game per console its an additional 27 Million into Microsofts coffers. People usually don't buy 1 game, and not everyone is buying the Arcade.

Also how much $ does it take to manufactur a 360 vs. PS3. I know that Sony still doesn't profit with each console sold either (though the smaller chips has dropped the manufacturing cost)

JerJerBinks, you are not counting Blu-Ray sales either or the fact that more people will buy the PS3 in its lifetime worldwide than 360 will due Sony's 10-year lifespan....now if 360 owners are Ok with having to spend another $400-500 on a new Xbox then whatever, but I sure as hell would not be....hints why I got a PS3 and because of all the extras, but I shouldn't have to go there, right? You're a PS3fanboy (/sarcasm)

Remember this is just for the month of November. I think sales reach their zenith in December. If you think November isn't too bad for the ps3, just wait until December when the 360 reaches 1 million sold.

I completely agree, but I would add another point. In addition to lowering the price by $100 they should pack in the official bluetooth headset, add persistent voice chat, and make in-game access to music mandatory past a certain date or fix the in-game xmb to make this a system wide feature to make the ps3 more comparable to the more successful system.

Apple shows that you can be massively profitable even with a small market share. Sony is focusing on profitability, not fanboy bragging rights.

That's why, sadly, they have stripped many features from the PS3, including extra USB ports, flash card readers, Super Audio CD capability, and PS2 compatibility. On the upside, that's also why they have switched to the 65 nanometer chip, which is not only cheaper for them but better for us since it runs cooler.

By contrast, Microsoft is losing billions on Xbox, which in the end is a massive effort to keep DirectX relevant for games, which itself is a massive effort to keep Games for Windows viable, and is therefore a sunk cost to defend its lucrative Windows monopoly.

Again, Microsoft doesn't care whether it loses money on Xbox; it's just covering its gaming flank because it knows that if its core OS loses gamers, then it becomes threatened. Windows sales and the Windows license more than make up for Xbox's huge, catastrophic losses.

By contrast Sony is trying to MAKE MONEY.

Selling almost half a million units a month in the holidays IS a failure... in fact, they're almost 100k units lower than Nov 2007. You know, back when the Xbox zealots laughed at the platform for having no games?

Look at the economy. I'm amazed it sold as many as it did.

Do you have any idea how much money it takes to make a PS3. It's not that they're stubborn it's that they can't lose any more money on the console as it is. If they lower the price say 50$, that means they're losing 50 dollars on each console sold...I don't think software sales are gonne get them out of that...

I agree not every person has 400$ just for a console people see the lower price there going to buy it.
But all Sony has to do get those triple a titles back like god of war and final fantasy and make sure u advertise the heck out of them

I forget the article posted on ps3fanboy, but isn't Sony losing $150-200 on each ps3 sold?

The manufacturing costs may have come down, but the fact is that the console is still being sold at a loss. That loss is only being offset by software sales.

As much as Sony needs to cut back the price, it isn't a great time to do so, unless they can figure out how to greatly reduce production costs.

If the # of units of 360's have spiked, it's all b/c of Gears and that $200 pricetag. You can't deny that Gears is a huge selling point for that console (maybe even the only outside of Left 4 Dead and Fable 2). Hell, I know somebody who received as a bday gift a few days ago. The fact is that the people doing the buying, they don't typically know about how often the 360 can fail, they're only looking at that $200 price which is unfortunate.

The 60nm process GPU / CPU chips in the new Jasper generation of XBOX 360's have solved the RROD issue. If you pick up a 360 off the shelf today, it should be just as reliable as the PS3.

I'd rather Sony be financially healthy. Apple is massively out sold by Windows, but it makes a boat load of cash, whereas Windows PC makers struggle to stay afloat.