Even with new DLC, Gears 2 struggles on Live

wait till after xmas then gears of war 2 will be back on top.

it's simple really. if you FIX your multiplayer, then people will want to PLAY it.

Yep thats a good plan to have people play it. Lets not fix the crap thats already broken before we charge you to play it some more only 7 weeks after its release

Well, if the maps would have been a nice FREE christmas present and Epic would fix the online play a bit, Gears 2 would fair better against the competition. Microsoft like their moneyz though.

gears online is a complete mass ..

Yay! Bomberman in the top five. I'd play it over Gears any time.

Yeah, Id love to play some gears online, but i find it next to impossible to get into any games besides Horde, and i know im not the only one. Once they fix that im sure it will jump up. Untill then COD4 and Halo 3 take up all my time

It's actually been working for me recently.

But yeah, to think that 3 maps that come in a suspicious 70 some MB for freaking 800 points would bring Gears to the top is ridiculous.

You guys are a bunch of idiots. Call of Duty appeals to many different gamers, not just hardcore. The reason why Halo 3 is on top is because most of Call of Duty 4's players split up between COD4 and COD WAW while COD4 being ahead of COD WAW is simply because not everyone can afford WAW right when it comes out. As for Gears 2 being so low, it's probably because of the time it takes to find a match and the lag that usually happens during the match. Gears 2 isn't a bad game just because it has some lag and some match issues. I still manage to have great fun with it. And anyone who buys Left 4 Dead over Gears 2 is a complete moron. Gears 2 has WAY more content than Left 4 Dead. Try playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 for the Wii and you'll experience REAL unplayable lag. Gears 2 is perfectly playable online.

I picked up GoW2 not to long ago. Play the campaign tried to play multiplayer, but found it a tad boring waiting sometimes close to 10 mins for a game, and then suffering through the glitches which really arent that fun. I may go back for some horde with a few mates, but thats about it. I actually picked up Halo 3 again, after it sitting on my shelf for ages and have started to get back into that! So L4D Halo3 and the bit of shaun white for me thanks!

800 points for maps doesn't help.

Yeah, 800 pts for a few maps is no way gonna get you up the list. Plus, getting a game on is incredibly long. I once spent 10 minutes just searching for party members, and another 3 to find another party to play with. Worst part of all, half my team quit the moment they saw the other team's ranks. I mean WTF. Some of you may hate on World at War, but that game knows how to drop you in a game in less than 40 seconds with no lag. So yeah, I said it, WaW > GeoW2

800 ms points is a joke to me.. I find it insulting. Horde is really fun but how much horde can you play? You play for what seems to be hours just getting to say level 39, and some fool doesn't pick up the shields.. why is that so hard??!! I tried to play the other game types but they just aren't appealing.

I don't quite get the appeal of COW multiplayer either. I know some COW addicts and I just don't find it that great.

I'm pretty much bored with Halo multiplayer but do think they still have the best mp experience. I mean, how many different ways can we play capture the flag, slayer.. whatever.. it's getting pretty redundant don't you think? My point is, why bother creating a multiplayer experience when it's below par?? Seriously, do it right or don't do it.

I was really dissapointed with Gears 2.

I was a HUGE GoW fan. ykno everything from clan matches to wall bouncing, the works.

and after 2 weeks with GoW2 and witnessing the inconsistencies in MP, i was very upset. I'm a very unbiased gamer, and i NEVER stop playing games because of their flaws. But with GoW2, you never knew if you were gonna kill the guy in front of you even though you pumped him with a shotty point blank.

the list, sadly enough, is very long.

Epic, when you're losing your hardcore fans, you need to realize that you have to put your whole staff on addressing every problem, because frankly my friends, your game is unplayable.

In the immortal words of nelson...

"HA HA"

I'm so mad. I LOVED Gears, almost every person on my friends list is from the original Gears and, regardless of the new releases, that's all they'd play. Gears.

Gears 2 comes out, and the first 2 weeks it is ALL GEARS.

Now, when I check "What's Up" there's, oh, maybe 5 people out of a WHOLE LOT.

Epic, buck up, admit the mistakes and FIX THE GAME.

I'm tired of game after game after game of lag. I don't play enough so that the games that don't lag make up for when I do, which seems to be twice as often.

SUCKS>

Ha.

The "issues" are putting too many people off I believe as well as probably a good deal of people will be getting this for the holidays. I, myself, am not at home to play it so....

The new map pack is good tho overpriced. The "issues" you constantly hear are blown WAAAAY out of proportion. I hope all the 12 year olds whining 24/7 on forums aren't putting off potential buyers. I wasn't into Gears 1 too much. But I bought Gears 2 and throughly enjoyed the singleplayer and still enjoy the multiplayer will little to no issues other than the occassion lag which should be expected when you have player hosts. But if I say all the bitching on forums I probably would not of bought it because it would of gave me the wrong impression.

In other words, the game is awesome and people bitch too much

too glitchy the kids found out bout the crab walking

You must be new to gaming then slickhead and lying about your age cuz you are quite immature.

Not surprised.

Check out this video, shows why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4foUP2LuX8

Maybe if they would fix some of the multiplayer glitches, everybody would be happy. That's a no brainier! Personally, I would of released a patch with most of the fixes rather then releasing a high cost map pack. Just my opinion.

Merry Christmas All!

-- Brian
Detroit, MI

The map pack would have helped had epic also patched SOME of the bugs.. bug they didn't.

I certainly hope no one at Epic expected these maps to save the game.

No one wants to pay 800 points, for three maps that were finished before a game released, that were originally planned to release with the retail game. Especially when one maps a remake, and one reuses, and refurbishes a campaign area. Doesn't help most people think the games broken.

Seriously though, if your going to postpone some maps, to finish them off, release them for free or not at all. Is it too much to ask for you to have a shred of decency? I mean, otherwise no one touches the maps anyways. Sales of future maps are hurt. And your game, developer and publisher gets bad publicity.

Well I just got it and after reading all the stuff about how lousy online is I wish I'd saved my $60. There is obvioulsy a problem or this many people wouldn't be complaining. Those who say there are NO problems are fanboy dumbasses. (he knows who he is). It reminds me of the one guy whose 360 didn't (read hasn't) RRODed on him yet so he figures everyone else is lying. You know, self important, never wrong type of people.

GoW2 seemed just like a DLC pack and some minor upgrades to the first one for me. L4D is just a lot more fun. COD is good, and would be great, except there are too many lame contrivances like Martyrdom (which ruins any sort of coordinated sustained attack) and the fighter jets which are just random death all the time.

I use every post like this as an opportunity to shower potential GOW2 buyers (obviously a little late for the guy that wished he saved his $60) with primary source information on how bad and broken this game is.

I was a GIGANTIC GOW1 player. I played 8 hours a day MINIMUM for 3 months straight. Not kidding. My friends list was GOW folks. We were all looking forward to GOW2. I took the day of from work, got the midnight release, played the single player, and the next night checked out MP with my buddies.

It was amazing how we sugar-coated it to ourselves. We didn't want to admit what we INSTANTLY knew. The game is broken so much more than GOW1 ever was. With GOW1 all we really had to deal with was map jumpers and crab walkers. Very easy to kill crab walkers and map jumpers get rushed the next round they spawn on that side.

With GOW2 the list of glitches is so long its literally not funny. (being able to grenade tag people that are on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL from you is a tiny example of the numerous problems). We were all getting so pissed at the game, we would come up with ideas on how we could not get so mad the next night. We were reduced to psycho-analyzing ourselves on the virtual couch that is Xbox Live.

As sad as that was, it only lasted a few days. I expected a patch soon, and refused to play the MP part of the game because I like to actually have fun when I play video games and I was certainly not having fun playing GOW2 MP at all. No glitch fixing patch has been delivered yet, but they have charged us $10 for 3 maps they already had made and I am suspicious are actually on our disc already. I sold GOW2 3 days ago for $44 on half.com after giving up hope. I want my $20 back that makes up the difference and the hours it took me to get 1000/1000 gamerscore on it.

And I am a 30+ gamer too, been doing this gaming thing for a while.

Here's a though, consider releasing a Beta release of the game like they did with H3. Have a ton of people test the game so you don't piss us off when the game is finally released.

The only reason that Halo 3 is topping the charts above CoD is because the CoD camp has been split into two groups – those who have World at War and those who don't. Overall, the CoD franchise is still #1. As for me, I'm playing Fable 2 and Gears 2.