WSJ: 'Hope Fades for PS3 as a Comeback Player'

by Randy Nelson { Dec 29th 2008 at 4:26PM }

If a console's feelings can be hurt, you might want to look in the corner for a rocking, sobbing PS3. Not even a month after being dubbed a "sinking ship" by Silicon Alley Insider, the Wall Street Journal has published an ouch-inducing article titled "Hope Fades for PS3 as a Comeback Player."

In the wake of NPD numbers for November showing the console solidly in third place and Black Friday sales of Xbox 360 pegged at 3-to-1 over PS3, the WSJ points out that holiday sales of PS3 are down 19% over the same period last year; Wii and Xbox 360, on the other hand, were up – 100% and 8%, respectively.

The Journal quotes Wedbush Morgan analyst, Michael Patcher, as predicting a price drop on PS3 hardware in April 2009, the beginning of Sony's new fiscal year. The paper says that if the sales gap can't be closed by such measures, "[Sony] could risk making the PS3 an afterthought to game publishers." Gloomy much?

Tags: NPD, Sony, WSJ

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)

JerJer @ Dec 29th 2008 4:29PM

oh well, it's almost time for the new consoles anyway...2010 right?

Mr Khan @ Dec 29th 2008 4:32PM

I doubt 2010. I really think 3 more years could be gotten out of the 360 as it is. This generation really doesn't feel like it's passed the halfway point, imo

JerJer @ Dec 29th 2008 4:54PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/14/analyst-next-next-gen-coming-in-2010/

he was wrong about the new DS (DSi in 09) but...that is a redesign :P

i dunno.

i have a feeling nintendo isn't just sitting on their laurels waiting for the "next gen to start". i think/hope they are going to trigger it within two years...

samfish @ Dec 29th 2008 4:58PM

That's just because the internet makes everything seem fast.
My guess is we'll start hearing about the new consoles toward the end of 2009, the first unveiling of which will be at E3 in 2010 and by 2011 we'll be on to the next generation of consoles. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft unviled the Xbox 3's prototype at THIS year's E3, really.
...well, I'd be kind of surprised.

What will not change, however, are people referring to the current crop of consoles as 'next gen'...even when the new consoles are out!

Hyams @ Dec 29th 2008 5:06PM

Console generations typically last around 6 years. If we take 2006 (the launch of the 360) as the start of the gen, then that suggests a 2012 release for the next consoles.

sk8monroe81 @ Dec 29th 2008 5:06PM

well the next box is set for 2011 with halo 4.
unconfirmed rumor and the ms gears/halo 1 year play.
gears 3 confirmed for 2010, halo 4 probably 2011. halo 4 confirmed for next box.
no plans for ps4..

=Curve= @ Dec 29th 2008 5:34PM

Guys, this won't be a normal Generation. Nintendo has no will nor reason to innovate and create a new console in 3 years. Microsoft and Sony have and still are bleeding money, moreso Sony, and both MS and Sony will want as much profit as possible.

Plus the world economy is in the crapper, recession is getting deeper and deeper and it would be suicide to release another console.

It would not surprise me at all if we didn't see new consoles until at least 2013 or 2014. Nintendo will be the outlier; Basically it's up to them to decide when the next generation will be (to steel some hyperbole from Sony).

Haggard @ Dec 29th 2008 6:26PM

Yeah, I've been commenting on Joystiq for over a year now but some of last year's holiday releases still feel like they've only just come out.

samfish @ Dec 29th 2008 7:00PM

THE INTERNET SPEEDS UP TIME TO 88MPH!

Cellien @ Dec 29th 2008 11:11PM

@Hyams: 360 came out in 2005.

Zombie Cake Machine @ Dec 30th 2008 12:09PM

Great Scott!

LongLiveDreamcast @ Jan 1st 2009 9:54PM

What's with Hyams' Downvoting?

joejoe @ Dec 29th 2008 4:32PM

It will be interesting to see the december #'s...

But yea, when I think about my ps3, wii, and 360, the ps3 just doesnt bring a smile to my face for some reason.... and Home is pretty lame and dead...

But my band of brothers blu-ray is nice..

Archon @ Dec 29th 2008 4:50PM

Wait... You mean that the Wii brings a smile to your face? Really? I don't know maybe you are a fan of shovelware or love replaying Twilight Princess for the 100th time. Or you got your Wii yesterday and still playing through last year titles or something.

Karen @ Dec 29th 2008 5:07PM

This Christmas my Wii is making me smile.
I've been picking up games really cheap $10-$30 over the last month: Endless Ocean, Wario Shake, Fire Emblem, No More Hero's, Wii Music (surprisingly fun with my 6 year old). I also got a pile of Points cards as gifts for World of Goo and some SNES games I haven't downloaded yet.

KeenCommander @ Dec 29th 2008 7:40PM

Wii.

2 years anniversary next month.

Still haven't even made a dent in the good titles.

Not everyone is bored with it. These sound like the same pathetic arguments that were used against the DS when it came out.

mr mobius @ Dec 29th 2008 7:47PM

This Christmas I got 2 Wii games that are a year old, or older, because they got squeezed out by the number of amazing games that the DS and Wii had out, and I'm glad I picked them up. I'm also in need to Wii points as the number of Wiiware titles I want ever increases.

Gun Barrier @ Dec 29th 2008 11:17PM

I picked up De Blob and Boom Blox. They are both must buys if you own a wii.

lotrfish @ Dec 29th 2008 11:27PM

I really don't see why everyone disses the Wii. To me, its library is much better than the other two consoles. Between my Wii, PC, and DS, I see absolutely no reason to buy a 360 or PS3.

Duke @ Dec 30th 2008 10:58AM

I don't know how you can say the Wii's library is much better than the other two consoles. Honestly, it just isn't. I guess you believe that because you don't have the other consoles, but those of us who have each of this gen know that you are flat wrong.

That being said, there are a few good titles and boom blox should be in everyone's library.

citizensnips @ Jan 2nd 2009 12:06PM

I bought my wii to play mario and zelda and brawl. I knew that going in. I also have a 360 and I would never claim the Wiis library is better than the 360s, but ultimately the Wii is a fun system. I put Galaxy in my top 3 this generation and I'm a brawl fanatic. The wiis library as a whole may be weak, but theres no denying the fun you can have with the system, especially if you love Nintendos titles.

shme @ Dec 29th 2008 4:36PM

100+ comments for sure

Hyams @ Dec 29th 2008 5:00PM

You underestimate the power of the Flame Bait.

Courtney @ Dec 29th 2008 6:34PM

He forgot to include the time element:

"...in less than one hour."

chispito @ Dec 29th 2008 4:37PM

Can it be said too many times?

It was too expensive at launch and the price has not fallen fast enough. It may be worth the money, but that doesn't mean people will buy it.

copa @ Dec 29th 2008 5:06PM

And the narrative will continue to change.

Remember June of 2008?

XBox 360 sales were falling, MGS4 was a sales blockbuster, AND it was moving hardware. Blu-Ray sales were accelerating.

There was so much buzz around LBP that it was looking like a holiday blockbuster. If you told me at that time Fable 2 was going to move millions of units, I would have said you were crazy. Nobody was paying attention to Gears of War 2.

In short, Microsoft looked like it was going to settle comfortably into third place in the console wars.

Things change a lot in a short period of time. Sony is one aggressive price cut away from shaking things up again. If they have the balls.

Marty @ Dec 29th 2008 5:43PM

"In short, Microsoft looked like it was going to settle comfortably into third place in the console wars."

Uh... it did? I never saw analysts predict any such thing, and it certainly never felt like that among any of the online communities I visit (Joystiq being one of them).

Noshino @ Dec 29th 2008 6:02PM

uh, actually Marty, it was.

Go look at the financial reports of the mayor publishers, in most of them the PS3 was getting ahead of the 360...

Like I mentioned before, the 360 surpasses the PS3 for short periods of time and then goes back behind the PS3, in EA's case, that happened when RB2 was released for the 360 alone.

"and it certainly never felt like that among any of the online communities I visit (Joystiq being one of them)."

huh? but even in Joystiq, those financial reports are usually ignored, hell, some were even saying that those were made up numbers...I mean, really? that hard to accept that the PS3 was making more money?

This is the latest report by EA (pre thanksgiving)

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/500573316x0x245319/f0a58760-2c38-408f-8779-2782cf681255/Q209%20ER_10.30_10am.pdf

As you can see, the PS3, with the same amount of titles for both consoles, was getting ahead, and it wasn't til RB2 that the 360 surpassed it.

Roto13 @ Dec 29th 2008 6:03PM

Sony should just sell a crappy stripped-down version and sell everything separately to create the illusion of a lower price, like Microsoft.

Marty @ Dec 29th 2008 6:36PM

Come on guys - really? You mean to tell me that the PS3 was doing better than the 360 and then, all of a sudden, completely out of left field, the 360 sells 3-to-1 more for Black Friday?

I don't think so.

I'm sure the PS3 pulled ahead in sales momentarily when MGS4 was released. But to say that the PS3 was ahead in sales of software and hardware throughout 2008 except for a few key moments is just silly. If this were the case, why would Alley Insider and WSJ be calling the race with it squarely in 3rd place?

You guys take all this stuff too personally - nobody said the system isn't selling. It's selling less than the other system, but people are still buying them.

So don't lose sleep over it... you'll still have people to dance with on Home.

Hyams @ Dec 29th 2008 6:48PM

The PS3 had been outselling the 360 every single week (apart from like one or two) world wide, up until September. Indeed, during MGS4 week, the PS3 also outsold the Wii (although, it was a very low week for the Wii).

Then the 360 price cut happened, which put the Arcade at a mass market price. The increase in sales looked only moderate at first, and it looked as though the PS3 could still ultimately win 2008. Then the holiday season started, and suddenly the 360 started selling like a ... a very well selling thing.

Noshino @ Dec 29th 2008 7:02PM

wait wait, I'm not making up anything, I showed you proof yet you still don't believe it?

Those are financial reports, its not like I can fake them....

"If this were the case, why would Alley Insider and WSJ be calling the race with it squarely in 3rd place?"

And now you believe in the media instead of the facts?

Show me the sources of the Alley Insider and WSJ articles, oh wait

oh, and in regards to Alley Insider

http://www.alleyinsider.com/team

"...All of these factors, along with our pre-existing biases, preferences, beliefs, education, knowledge, experience, work ethic, and IQs, may affect our coverage."

Hahaha, and you STILL trust them over official financial reports?

Moptimus Slime @ Dec 29th 2008 7:08PM

ZOMG NOSHINO IS RIGHT ALLEY INSIDER IS CLEARLY TEH BIASED AGAINST THE PS3 CAUSE THEY ARE XBOTS360 FANBOIS AND ARE TOO BUSY SUCKING BILL GATES DICK TO SEE THE TRUTH!!!!!111!!!!!

Noshino @ Dec 29th 2008 7:14PM

Moptimus Slime,

They are? I could have sworn that was your job

Moptimus Slime @ Dec 29th 2008 7:25PM

Wait, yesterday you said I was a Nintendo Fanboy, now your calling me a 360 Fanboy? But to be a Nintendo Fanboy I must hate Microsoft. But to be 360 Fanboy I must hate Nintendo. But to be ERROR ERROR DOES NOT COMPUTE ERROR ERROR DOES NOT COMPUTE DOES NO-*Head Assplodes*

J @ Dec 29th 2008 10:34PM

noshino politely made an argument and cited his source and got voted down even lectured by a dick. Marty and slimeball used anecdotes, hyperbole, and jackassery, and they get voted up.

It's pretty fucked up when you jackasses feel high and mighty enough to pick on someone nice like noshino and feel like you accomplished something.

slime you said "the whole 'my console sold this much in X amount of time' is pointless when overall your console is in last"

that's a narrowminded thing to say, cause it completely takes it out of context. When the ps3 launched a year later, less exclusives, more expensive, less robust online service, and it's still right behind the 360, that's pretty pathetic for the 360.

The whole point of this article is to exaggerate how poorly the ps3 is doing. The ps3 is doing pretty fucking well, despite being last.

And finally, if the ps3 DID surpass the 360, how fucking embarrassing would that be for MS, that they fucked over so many customers and still ended up last. Context matters, like the fucking economy. Stupid kids like you, slimeball, don't. Only grade schoolers think context doesn't matter. Taking cheapshots and lacking substance. Reminds me of vegina.

Go vote me down fuckers, i know insecure ps3haters come out of the woodworks for ridiculous articles like this. when ea made more money from ps3, http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=46712, until temporary rb2 exclusivity for 360, who the fuck cares what wsj says about consoles? lowlife slimeballs lookin for a rush by pissin other ppl off - that's who. >=[

chispito @ Dec 29th 2008 11:59PM

Forgive us if we didn't feel like sifting through a 17-page stockholder report to see if one publisher--albeit a large one--sold a lot of PS3 games last year.

All I see is that the gap between the install bases of the 360 and PS3 widened by about 400k worldwide in December. This is coming from someone who is looking forward to the next Team Ico project more than any other game, and is hoping the price of the console comes down appreciably before it's released so that I can actually play it.

Moptimus Slime @ Dec 30th 2008 12:47AM

@J:Thats because Noshino feels that because hes playing Devil's Advocate, he doesnt need to have an actual argument and can repeat the same phrases over and over again without providing quotes or references to back them up.

"Taking cheapshots and lacking substance."

that sounds like the majority of Noshino's "arguments"
Also, love how Im getting lectured on cheapshots by someone calling me "slimeball". Stay classy, J, stay classy.

"Marty and slimeball"
"slime you said"
"Stupid kids like you, slimeball, don't."

So wait, am I slime or slimeball? Is slime used when refering to me and slimeball someone else?

"when ea made more money from ps3"

REVENUE /=/ PROFIT. Maybe if you read the Wall Street Journal you would've known that.

"And finally, if the ps3 DID surpass the 360"

look, another person who thinks they're cool because they present stupid hypothetical questions. Either that or your one of Noshinos alts.

Moptimus Slime @ Dec 30th 2008 2:19AM

"what the fuck are you telling me here? did you consider the billions MS paid for RROD, just to be the first one out the gate? They should be leading by more, but they're not."

thats a classic Noshino move. How does that argument relate to the one my comment was about, which last time I checked involved the PS3 and EA and not Microsoft and the RROD.

"this is where u should've just admitted you're an idiot. what kinda fucking argument was that? I wasn't being hypothetical just for the sake of it."

yes you were, just like everyone else who uses hypothetical questions. THATS WHAT MAKES THEM HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS. You use them just for the sake of arguing.

Also want to point out yet another cheapshot from Mr. Rightous.

"make it seem like ALL THAT MATTERS is that the ps3 is last"

maybe because that and making a profit IS ALL THAT MATTERS TO SONY. I don't work at Sony, but I'll bet you my collection of PS1 games that nobody there said "Hey, you know what? Instead of trying to be the most popular console, lets try to be the LEAST popular". And if they did, they were probably fired on the spot.

"And INspite of the economy, the ps3 is doing very well compared to its SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper competition."

yes, I was surprised how large of a lead the PS3 has had over its rival competitor, the all-mighty PS2

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/11/november-npd-wii-breaks-2m-gears-2-breaks-1-5m-what-recess/

Also, if you consider "doing very well" almost doubling the amount of units sold and still falling behind the 360 almost 3-to-1, then Sony just won the lottery.

"See, i can call you names because you really ARE an asshole."

So apparently 2 wrongs DO make a right? Again, if you're going to call me names like some 9 year old on Xbox Live, dont bitch and moan when other people do.

"you fucking idiot. get a clue."

wow, that has been at least 4 cheapshots in 2 comments, 1 of which said I was an asshole for taking cheapshots. I hope your glass house is insured against stone damage.

Noshino @ Dec 30th 2008 3:30AM

"repeat the same phrases over and over again without providing quotes or references to back them up."

Huh? I repeat them in an attempt to actually get the information to your brain, because you usually dismiss anything that contradicts your statements

""Taking cheapshots and lacking substance."

that sounds like the majority of Noshino's "arguments""

Heh, but you are always the one that begins with the cheapshots, and if you are referring to what I posted in regards to the preferences of the site, uh, what's wrong with noting it? they mentioned that their preferences might show on their articles, and since the article's tone is pretty aggressive, we might as well note their motives as well, right?

"REVENUE /=/ PROFIT. Maybe if you read the Wall Street Journal you would've known that."

No, no one said it was, but they are closely related.

Also, if you were more informed with video game development news, you would know that the cost of development decreases as time goes on, and the same with multiplatform develpment. Multiplatform development (PS3/360), back on August, was just about 10% extra for Ubisoft (http://tinyurl.com/9vmewk). Now, EA is a developer that not only releases more multiplatform games, but also has been trying to push the PS3 as lead platform for most of their multiplatform titles, so the extra cost should been much less. Unless you mean to tell me that with time, development cost raises, so, are you going to call that hypothetical as well? because that's pretty much your excuse for everything when you don't have an answer.

"look, another person who thinks they're cool because they present stupid hypothetical questions."

huh? when did you provide data/information from a reliable source?...oh, and vgchartz isn't reliable, so don't even bother mentioning it.

"maybe because that and making a profit IS ALL THAT MATTERS TO SONY. I don't work at Sony, but I'll bet you my collection of PS1 games that nobody there said "Hey, you know what? Instead of trying to be the most popular console, lets try to be the LEAST popular". And if they did, they were probably fired on the spot."

Wait, what? what does that have to do with what J said? He never even mentioned anything about Sony not wanting to be first, he simply said that they are just more focused on making profit right now, but well, that's just one your usual responses that don't make any sense.

"Also, if you consider "doing very well" almost doubling the amount of units sold and still falling behind the 360 almost 3-to-1, then Sony just won the lottery."

huh? we are talking about all regions, not NA alone, which as we know, it has been the 360's strongest market this generation.

Wait until official numbers are released. Don't think the gap will be as big, but pretty sure it will still be on the 360's favour, so just hold your fangs til then.

J,

Don't bother, its hard to get rationalize with him/her.

Heh, just look at what he said the other day:

"MGS4-hey, what if MGS3 was set in the future?
Far Cry 2- the original Far Cry
Burnout Paradise- previous Burnout games and also previous Midnight Clubs
GTA4- it was called Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and it was a lot better. Also, downside of future graphics technology: Why the hell did Niko's face look like he slopped cooking oil all over it? Is that just an Uncanny Valley effect?
Uncharted- Tomb Raider much?
Gears 1&2- take the colors gray and brown, slap them together and throw in a few buff Space Marines and end credit raps
Mirror's Edge- take any platforming section of Metroid Prime, the repeatedly fail for the next 4 hours, while stopping every few attempts to watch an eSurance commercial you DVR'd
LittleBigPlanet-Garry's Mod: The Game
Bioshock- every other game in the SystemShock series, perhaps?
Fallout 3- take Fallout 2 and mix in a little HALO FPS action
Oblivion- every other game in the Elder Scrolls series?"

Just don't bother anymore

silverwolf761 @ Dec 30th 2008 10:17AM

"But to be a Nintendo Fanboy I must hate Microsoft. But to be 360 Fanboy I must hate Nintendo."

That doesn't even make sense. Thats like saying you have to hate pie if you like cake.

Duke @ Dec 30th 2008 11:46AM

Noshino, how do you guys come up with this stuff? What does the EA financial statement have to do with the console maker's sales? Yes, at some times EA shows higher revenue for the PS3 games - that does not mean there are more PS3's being sold. I know you know that - so why are you trying to twist such sales numbers into something they aren't?

Example of why your numbers usage makes no sense: If I go buy 2 EA titles for my PS3 today, it doesn't mean I own 2 PS3's. It doesn't follow that more PS3's are being sold by that data alone.

Besides all this, are you telling me that you actually believe more people own a PS3 than either of the other consoles? I mean people not in the Sony forums - but actual people you know. I am positive that most the people I know have a Wii and/or a 360. Thats just the fact from what I see and hear. I am one of the few of my gaming friends to even have a PS3.

No matter how you twist sales figures for a month, or week to week - the sales numbers still show that the Wii has the most millions of units sold worldwide, followed by the 360 and then the PS3. Heck, the PS3 is even 2nd by 3 to 1 sales of the Wii in Japan isn't it?

Duke @ Dec 30th 2008 12:01PM

WOW! I was off reading the EA financial, came back, and now I see what a huge pissing match you guys have gotten into. WOW! Lots of hate and anger going on.

This really doesn't matter that much does it? PS3's are going to continue to be relevant like they have been and yeah, EA and other companies are making money off of them and the Wii/360's. So why all the f*ck you and hope you die type talk?

Moptimus Slime @ Dec 30th 2008 3:55PM

"huh? when did you provide data/information from a reliable source?...oh, and vgchartz isn't reliable, so don't even bother mentioning it."

since you obviously missed it the first time, allow me to follow in your footsteps and repeat it

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/11/november-npd-wii-breaks-2m-gears-2-breaks-1-5m-what-recess/

"Wait, what? what does that have to do with what J said? He never even mentioned anything about Sony not wanting to be first, he simply said that they are just more focused on making profit right now, but well, that's just one your usual responses that don't make any sense."

which brings me to my last point, as of now THEY AREN'T. They are losing money on the PS3. Until they can sell the system at a profit to a point where they can recover all of the loses, they are losing money on the PS3.

"huh? we are talking about all regions, not NA alone, which as we know, it has been the 360's strongest market this generation."

We? I believe you meant J. Unless you are J, in which case I'll repeat what I said in our last argument. CONTEXT is important and is usually something your opponent skips, not you yourself.

"MGS4-hey, what if MGS3 was set in the future?
Far Cry 2- the original Far Cry
Burnout Paradise- previous Burnout games and also previous Midnight Clubs
GTA4- it was called Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and it was a lot better. Also, downside of future graphics technology: Why the hell did Niko's face look like he slopped cooking oil all over it? Is that just an Uncanny Valley effect?
Uncharted- Tomb Raider much?
Gears 1&2- take the colors gray and brown, slap them together and throw in a few buff Space Marines and end credit raps
Mirror's Edge- take any platforming section of Metroid Prime, the repeatedly fail for the next 4 hours, while stopping every few attempts to watch an eSurance commercial you DVR'd
LittleBigPlanet-Garry's Mod: The Game
Bioshock- every other game in the SystemShock series, perhaps?
Fallout 3- take Fallout 2 and mix in a little HALO FPS action
Oblivion- every other game in the Elder Scrolls series?"

You know what Noshino? Im feeling nice today, so allow me to add the context for you, since you are obviously hemorrhaging too much blood from your brain to do it yourself.

You mentioned how these games couldn't be done on previous consoles. I pointed out how they HAVE been done on previous consoles, the only difference being the level of shine on the graphics and not whether the games could truly run lower-res on other consoles.

"You still didn't comment about how noshino ACTUALLY used references"

you mean the link to Alley Insider, which he used to try and pass them off as a bunch of fanboys? OR is it that 17 page PDF I don't have the time to read, let alone go over it with a fine-toothed comb to find where they discuss PS3 revenue

"As for me insulting you, it's different than you insulting others. I insult you IN ADDITION to making an argument"

again, 2 wrongs make a right? If your going to insult me, don't bitch and moan when I insult others.

"i'm sure some actually bought it just for its RROD"

there you go, making pointless arguments again

"To be only a few million behind when the console is double the price... hmmm looks like another opportunity to be hypothetical again. Imagine the ps3 only being 1/3 more expensive. I think you get the point. mgs4 made a difference as a AAA exclusive. You don't think uncharted2, kz2, gt5, gow3 won't help?"

no, same reason Nintendo releasing another Zelda or Mario game wont help Wii sales. Chances are, if you were looking forward to those games, you already bought the console.

Also, so far you both have managed to avoid bringing up how the PS3 was once the cheapest Blu-Ray player. Oh wait, that would point out how its possible some people bought it just for Blu-Ray and dont care about gaming. And another thing you forget to mention, the PS2 sold like Wiis before the Wii was even released. How many of those people just bought the PS3 because they already had a PS2?

"imagine how much MORE helpful the ps3 will be for ea with an install base bigger than the 360. why wouldn't ea want to continue supporting the ps3?"

because thats NOT the case, perhaps? Even though EA uses the PS3 as a lead platform sometimes, it doesnt change the fact that when the NPD is released, the 360 version is usually in the lead.

"you have to be in denial to think the PS3 is DOOMED."

wow, way to put words into my mouth. I never said it was "doomed", I said it was tripped up by Sony's stupidity.

"And why r u picking on the ps2? Hmm, i don't see the original xbox anywhere on that list."

Oh wow, you noticed the one major flaw in my argument. Now me pointing out that in one of the busiest shopping months for consoles, the PS3 could barely fend of the older PS2.

"aaand you're a dick."

Again, hope your glass house is insured against stone damage.

J @ Dec 30th 2008 10:53PM

i just noticed, chispito's avatar.

LITTLE NEMO THE DREAM MASTER. awesome game and the animated movie was pretty cool. Enjoyed both a lot when I was little.

:D.

ANYWAY, this'll never end cause you'll requote my quote, and i'll quote you quoting me. Also, when a harmless comment by noshino gets voted down to oblivion and asinine, nonsensical comments from you gets all the love, even if no one can understand you, it's pretty pointless. Not that it wasn't all pointless to begin with ;P. With a ps3hating article like this, who'd you expect would be the readers. Just like RROD and the dvd scratching invites the opposite crowd.

oh shoot...

"
"To be only a few million behind when the console is double the price... hmmm looks like another opportunity to be hypothetical again. Imagine the ps3 only being 1/3 more expensive. I think you get the point. mgs4 made a difference as a AAA exclusive. You don't think uncharted2, kz2, gt5, gow3 won't help?"

no, same reason Nintendo releasing another Zelda or Mario game wont help Wii sales. Chances are, if you were looking forward to those games, you already bought the console.
"

'... chances are, if you're looking forward to those games, you already bought the console.' just how da fuck did you come up with that? and most of your responses are just as ridiculous and presumptuous. a lot of ppl didn't buy the ps3 UNTIL mgs4's release. so ALREADY that proves your dumb assumption DEAD WRONG that everyone whose anticipating a game already bought a ps3. a lot of people know about those games and still waiting for a price cut AND for those games to finally release. for example, if you're a kid looking forward to those games, chances are mommy and daddy won't buy it til it's affordable.