Army Recruiter: "Listen, I see you've been having a lot of fun gunning for bad guys on this here arcade game. But tell you what, how would you like to get shot at for real!"
Wide-eyed youth: "Boy, mister, would I!"
Conversations similar to the above are likely unfolding at Philadelphia's Franklin Mills Mall, where the Army has setup 'The Army Experience Center,' a $13 million arcade designed to earn the favor of local gamers and persuade them to trade in their quarters for military-issue green. The arcade, a 14,500 square foot vortex of patriotism, is home to three full-scale military vehicle simulators and a host of games -- most of them of the shooty variety.
Entertaining, yes, though the center is also designed to educate visitors about job opportunities in the Army, with recruiters on hand to weave nationalist prose to anyone inclined to listen. Of course, like America's Army before it, the ultimate goal is to get youngsters (though nobody under 17) to sign their name on the dotted line and report for duty.
It's something that has not been panning out exactly as Uncle Sam might hope, with only 35 visitors enlisting since the facility opened in August, a figure the New York Times reports is "slightly below" the rate of the five traditional recruitment centers the arcade replaced. This might -- might -- have something to do with real bullets stinging a smidge more than fake ones. Just a thought.
Reader Comments (109)
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:04AM WillCookForFood said
So why did you decide to join the army, solider?
I want to protect my country sir!
And you, why did you enlist?
Well, I went to this AWESOME arcade this one time...
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I want to protect my country sir!
And you, why did you enlist?
Well, I went to this AWESOME arcade this one time...
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 12:21PM (Unverified) said
Yall should season 1 episode 3 of pure pwnage if you havn't already..
;)
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;)
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 1:06PM (Unverified) said
"The sudden thought of what Spawn Camping becomes when applied to real life crossed my mind".
Several soldiers waiting outside of a maternity ward?
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Several soldiers waiting outside of a maternity ward?
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:12AM (Unverified) said
I would join the Army but I live in Canada and I think you've heard the joke about the submarines.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 9:23AM (Unverified) said
Is that the one where they have screen doors on them?
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 7:18PM (Unverified) said
The West Ed submarine force was destroyed by a barrage of pennies. Once they get the toy boats working, revenge will be swift.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:18AM (Unverified) said
So is the part where you shoot unarmed civilians from a tank while jamming out to death in the regular missions, or maybe it's a bonus round?
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 1:57PM SheppyReturns said
But shortly before you break geneva conventions of recruiting children by allowing anyone under 17 to even enter, right? Right?
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 2:20PM (Unverified) said
@badasssailor
Gotta love that ad hominem for labeling the soldiers in moore's movie as liars.
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Gotta love that ad hominem for labeling the soldiers in moore's movie as liars.
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 2:26PM (Unverified) said
I love how you judge countries by the local prostitutes (whose customers are sailors!)
Have you ever been to an American port?
That meat-packing district in NYC is a real shining city on a hill isn't it?
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Have you ever been to an American port?
That meat-packing district in NYC is a real shining city on a hill isn't it?
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:15AM cuteSAVAGE said
$13,000,000 and it has mostly "shooty games"? Install Evil Knight, Terminator 2, and Virtua Cop 3 cabinets and I'll move to NY and enlist then and there.
Only problem is, I'm a cross-dressing homosexual pacifist with a spot on my lung and flat feet...
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Only problem is, I'm a cross-dressing homosexual pacifist with a spot on my lung and flat feet...
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:29AM cuteSAVAGE said
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 11:26AM xGeneral DEATHxDEETH82 said
And all this time I envisioned you as being Kournikova-like and wearing sexy combat gear. Sigh...
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:25AM (Unverified) said
Psh. We Americans like to express our patriotism through virtual military service, not actual military service. Get with the times, Uncle Sam.
When you finish creating an army of remote controlled robots that I can shoot people with from the safety of a control room 50 miles away, gimme a call.
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When you finish creating an army of remote controlled robots that I can shoot people with from the safety of a control room 50 miles away, gimme a call.
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 11:11AM ludwigk said
50 miles away?!? They have a drone facility in like Arizona, or Utah that pilots unmanned drones in Iraq. You get to go home every night and see the family, although there is some research showing that this can be even more stressful in certain ways because your mind is forced to endure 12-hour periods of combat stress, then return to normal life every day. So, it might break your brain.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:58AM (Unverified) said
The place is awesome, but it doesn't do a good job of making you want to join the army. I flew the apache simulator into mountains like 3 times.
They have madden there, too, for some reason unknown to me
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They have madden there, too, for some reason unknown to me
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 4:17AM BananaBoat said
Isn't this the kind of thing that would only work on Forrest Gump?
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 4:18AM In A World said
If you can successfully equate real violence with simulated violence to impressionable teenagers... man, that's really the best way to steal the soul of America one piece at a time.
This whole thing is predatory and unconscionable!
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This whole thing is predatory and unconscionable!
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 6:33AM (Unverified) said
Philadelphia, eh... Oh no, Chris Grant is going to Iraq!?? Isn't he, ISN'T HE?!?!?! First 1up, now this.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 7:50AM mRichardy629 said
as someone leaving for basic here in a couple weeks, I have to say this, I'm so fucking sick of you god damned lazy and cynical fuckers. if you don't wanna join shut the fuck up and stop disrespecting us who do/have...It doesn't make you look "cool" to shit on our nations military, you sit there and bitch about how things are done, but are not willing to do anything to change it...here's a giant FUCK YOU to all of you. I'm Damn Proud to call myself a Sailor.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 8:07AM skipjimroo said
I'm damn proud to call myself a sailor too.
But then, I'm just a sucker for any outfit that entails a jaunty little cap and a tight, stripy T-shirt.
Shiver me timbers indeed!
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But then, I'm just a sucker for any outfit that entails a jaunty little cap and a tight, stripy T-shirt.
Shiver me timbers indeed!
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 8:11AM Morisato13 said
Remember what you said today. My friends joined with the same attitude, but after being fucked by the military so many times... he realizes how young and stupid he was. I feel you will do the same.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 8:58AM baby sea tuna said
Hope you come back with all your limbs, you rude ape.
How's that for cynical?
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How's that for cynical?
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 9:06AM (Unverified) said
Then go and fight your unjustified war, kill innocent people and die for nothing you insensitive clod!
Fuck you and every one with you attitude. I appreciate those that join the military to defend their freedom but those who leave their brains at home and whole heartedly buy into the shit your commanding officers tell you about what you are actually doing make me sick. If you were a true American patriot as you seem to believe of yourself you would fight AGAINST going to the military and instead try to get other people to leave so that silly war doesn't get any more innocent citizens to sacrifice on the political altar of shame.
Good day to you and may you come back in one piece, sir!
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Fuck you and every one with you attitude. I appreciate those that join the military to defend their freedom but those who leave their brains at home and whole heartedly buy into the shit your commanding officers tell you about what you are actually doing make me sick. If you were a true American patriot as you seem to believe of yourself you would fight AGAINST going to the military and instead try to get other people to leave so that silly war doesn't get any more innocent citizens to sacrifice on the political altar of shame.
Good day to you and may you come back in one piece, sir!
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 10:19AM Duke said
meist3r, you seem to be the insensitive one with that post. Don't you think you made a lot of assumptions about the man and his morals?
I don't think it's cool to just sh*t all over someone because they are joining the armed forces. Though you may not like the present war - he isn't the one that picked the war we are in. It wouldn't be a very good move for everyone to just bail on the military because they don't like the missions they are assigned.
You obviously have not thought out the ramifications of what you believe soldiers should be doing. The benefits in your scenario would be far outweighed by the cons.
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I don't think it's cool to just sh*t all over someone because they are joining the armed forces. Though you may not like the present war - he isn't the one that picked the war we are in. It wouldn't be a very good move for everyone to just bail on the military because they don't like the missions they are assigned.
You obviously have not thought out the ramifications of what you believe soldiers should be doing. The benefits in your scenario would be far outweighed by the cons.
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 1:02PM (Unverified) said
Soldiers are soldiers to fight and to die. I know that. That's what they choose. They blindly follow orders because scruples keep them from killing their enemy otherwise. That's why I won't be a soldier unless I personally am in peril and need to defend myself. I can't hand over the responsibility for my actions. That's what I believe in.
I'm not shitting over this guy because he's joined the forces. I couldn't care less. But his fucking attitude and self-righteousness of reasons is what I'm shitting on. It sounds like he didn't think about why he actually joined and what he is actually doing (and I don't mean become a sailor I mean supporting the wrong cause for the wrong reasons).
The problem with that "scenario" that you call my reality is that the US wouldn't need that big of an armed force if they hadn't spend their time basically pissing onto everybody's porch since the beginning of their history. Granted, they always fought for freedom but unfortunately, if you haven't noticed, the definition of freedom always depends on what side of the cage you are on.
The "need" for a military of the current magnitude has only come into being because instead of defending themselves like everyone else does and having maybe a couple of troops for international security purposes in NATO or the UN these guys have been known to outright start conflicts out of political mood swings. I'm not saying WWII was none of their business, I'm glad they did what they had to -though a tad late. But most of the other conflicts, just like this one, were basically politically motivated chest thumping to maintain their illicit status of "nation with the biggest balls that they dangle in front of everyone's face". No wonder they have to have so many soldiers, with the amount of enemies they made for themselves they need a $700bn arms contract just to keep those at bay that have a motif. This is not even counting the abstract threats they claim to be fighting just now. Then they make up lies and manipulate the public reception to get more and more poor fucks to join their cause. Once they realized they've been had its already too late. I'm really astonished that you defend that.
These "ideas" let alone political ambitions that lead to these conflicts are no reason to kill thousands of innocent people. Sure, other countries do that as well but how can the self-proclaimed "city upon a hill / shining beacon of freedom" lower itself to the level of these criminals on a regular basis? Heck, the USA are basically pioneers for certain types of crime against human nature or revived things that were long thought dead in the "western" world. (Don't even get me started on the refusal of international treaties and such). It doesn't solve anything you know? The USA have already killed approximately more than 150.000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and forced millions into refuge. For what? As revenge for ~3000 dead Americans that were killed on 9/11 by an independent group of stateless individuals? Who then is it who decides to kill/invade/destroy a country if what you are looking for has no body? It's the generals and political leaders and to follow them into everything they say is just wrong. No matter who you are. How can a country that has proclaimed itself the world police (Fuck Yeah!) violate so many laws itself and even outright refuse to play by the rules of the organisations that they strive to lead?
I'm from Germany so I oughta know what blind obedience can lead to. You want to argue that? Had the SS men laid down their weapons and refused to round up Jews, things could have ended much less horrible. But they didn't because as you mentioned they were well trained soldiers and just obeyed what their commanders told them and bought into the propaganda. So they threw away their compassion for fellow humans, demonized a whole people on false assumptions of threat and committed genocide. EXACTLY ... to the WORD. What is happening right now, in a sense, with the so called "War against Terror" (funny thing really, according to the Nazis the Jews were also threatening the security of the homeland and had to be defeated no matter what -even outside of Germany itself, weird coincidence). So you're saying a vendetta murder ratio of 1:50 is a proper way to convince people of your good will? Sorry but that's a load of bull.
Why are there more and more deserters? They can't cope with fighting for these fake inhumane ideals of power and submission. You only don't hear about them because they flee into exile to escape prosecution and hide in secrecy. The American media is so completely biased that they won't even mention them. That's what the world has come to ... AGAIN. The USA fought Nazi Germany to stop just that and now they're basically worse in some respects. Good job. Sure they don't round up muslims and execute them ... but the only reason why they don't, that I can infer from the right-wing political opinions of their leadership. is because they couldn't deal with even more enemies that then would step forward from the world community.
As the self-proclaimed "Best country in the world" which always has freedom written on it's flag it's basically your duty as an American who believes in the constitutional rights to refuse to fight for these unqualified and fraudulent reasons. Those who still comply for whatever reasons are spurred by a false sense of blind patriotism. What quota of the American military actually serves with a distinct understanding of what is going on? Most of them do exactly what you just told me I should honor: Sign up, Shut Up, Fight. There is no such thing as "If you're not with me you're against me". There are hundreds of facets in between but as with many things ... the Americans have leveled that.
Yes call me whatever, your country protected my country from itself. Too bad there is not one nation in the world that would or rather could do the same for you.
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I'm not shitting over this guy because he's joined the forces. I couldn't care less. But his fucking attitude and self-righteousness of reasons is what I'm shitting on. It sounds like he didn't think about why he actually joined and what he is actually doing (and I don't mean become a sailor I mean supporting the wrong cause for the wrong reasons).
The problem with that "scenario" that you call my reality is that the US wouldn't need that big of an armed force if they hadn't spend their time basically pissing onto everybody's porch since the beginning of their history. Granted, they always fought for freedom but unfortunately, if you haven't noticed, the definition of freedom always depends on what side of the cage you are on.
The "need" for a military of the current magnitude has only come into being because instead of defending themselves like everyone else does and having maybe a couple of troops for international security purposes in NATO or the UN these guys have been known to outright start conflicts out of political mood swings. I'm not saying WWII was none of their business, I'm glad they did what they had to -though a tad late. But most of the other conflicts, just like this one, were basically politically motivated chest thumping to maintain their illicit status of "nation with the biggest balls that they dangle in front of everyone's face". No wonder they have to have so many soldiers, with the amount of enemies they made for themselves they need a $700bn arms contract just to keep those at bay that have a motif. This is not even counting the abstract threats they claim to be fighting just now. Then they make up lies and manipulate the public reception to get more and more poor fucks to join their cause. Once they realized they've been had its already too late. I'm really astonished that you defend that.
These "ideas" let alone political ambitions that lead to these conflicts are no reason to kill thousands of innocent people. Sure, other countries do that as well but how can the self-proclaimed "city upon a hill / shining beacon of freedom" lower itself to the level of these criminals on a regular basis? Heck, the USA are basically pioneers for certain types of crime against human nature or revived things that were long thought dead in the "western" world. (Don't even get me started on the refusal of international treaties and such). It doesn't solve anything you know? The USA have already killed approximately more than 150.000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and forced millions into refuge. For what? As revenge for ~3000 dead Americans that were killed on 9/11 by an independent group of stateless individuals? Who then is it who decides to kill/invade/destroy a country if what you are looking for has no body? It's the generals and political leaders and to follow them into everything they say is just wrong. No matter who you are. How can a country that has proclaimed itself the world police (Fuck Yeah!) violate so many laws itself and even outright refuse to play by the rules of the organisations that they strive to lead?
I'm from Germany so I oughta know what blind obedience can lead to. You want to argue that? Had the SS men laid down their weapons and refused to round up Jews, things could have ended much less horrible. But they didn't because as you mentioned they were well trained soldiers and just obeyed what their commanders told them and bought into the propaganda. So they threw away their compassion for fellow humans, demonized a whole people on false assumptions of threat and committed genocide. EXACTLY ... to the WORD. What is happening right now, in a sense, with the so called "War against Terror" (funny thing really, according to the Nazis the Jews were also threatening the security of the homeland and had to be defeated no matter what -even outside of Germany itself, weird coincidence). So you're saying a vendetta murder ratio of 1:50 is a proper way to convince people of your good will? Sorry but that's a load of bull.
Why are there more and more deserters? They can't cope with fighting for these fake inhumane ideals of power and submission. You only don't hear about them because they flee into exile to escape prosecution and hide in secrecy. The American media is so completely biased that they won't even mention them. That's what the world has come to ... AGAIN. The USA fought Nazi Germany to stop just that and now they're basically worse in some respects. Good job. Sure they don't round up muslims and execute them ... but the only reason why they don't, that I can infer from the right-wing political opinions of their leadership. is because they couldn't deal with even more enemies that then would step forward from the world community.
As the self-proclaimed "Best country in the world" which always has freedom written on it's flag it's basically your duty as an American who believes in the constitutional rights to refuse to fight for these unqualified and fraudulent reasons. Those who still comply for whatever reasons are spurred by a false sense of blind patriotism. What quota of the American military actually serves with a distinct understanding of what is going on? Most of them do exactly what you just told me I should honor: Sign up, Shut Up, Fight. There is no such thing as "If you're not with me you're against me". There are hundreds of facets in between but as with many things ... the Americans have leveled that.
Yes call me whatever, your country protected my country from itself. Too bad there is not one nation in the world that would or rather could do the same for you.
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 1:38PM (Unverified) said
meist3r, very well put. Reminds me again of how desperately in need of foreign dialog and communication Americans are.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 1:38PM mRichardy629 said
all i have to say is, you did not just compare me to a Nazi, and second notice my icon...before you assume why i'm doing what i'm doing...i don't want to see ANYONE die friend, foe, or civilian...i see both sides of things, and i looked at it like this...i could sit here and propagate the evils of the iraq war or try to make a difference from inside where i can actually do some good
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 3:07PM aristokrat said
Meist3r, if you want to look at history, check out pre-WWII. There were 2 groups, popularly known as the Hawks and the Doves. One said we didn't need a military, we should let the world sort out its own problems, and everyone will leave us alone. Isolationism was the term they used, and they were wrong. The other said the world's problems are our problems, and that we will suffer if other people suffer, and we are not immune from troubles reaching our soil if we let them. You don't want us to do anything overseas, acting as if we've caused nothing but trouble. But were it not for our attempts to preempt conflict elsewhere, it would have reached us eventually (and the last war we won on home turf was the Revolutionary War). Not saying anything about our current struggles, but your general attitude towards the military is naive and sheltered.
Oh, and don't ever bring up the UN in serious conversation. Anyone who's worked for or with them knows how utterly powerless and thus useless they are. It's a great idea, but with absolutely no power to enforce any of their resolutions, what's the point?
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Oh, and don't ever bring up the UN in serious conversation. Anyone who's worked for or with them knows how utterly powerless and thus useless they are. It's a great idea, but with absolutely no power to enforce any of their resolutions, what's the point?
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 4:59PM Special Agent Steve said
Guys, c'mon. Being a soldier of any kind is hard. There is nothing wrong with fighting for your country and protecting your asses. If you insult his profession, he has the right to do the same. It was "some" what rude, but I'd be just as sick of it as he is. Now, let's all calm down and get a glass of warm milk.
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 8:12AM (Unverified) said
What I don't like about this or the military in general really is that they're trying to eat up low-self esteem but otherwise highly intelligent kids and dragging their lives away. I've been in psych courses long enough to be absolutely convinced that training breaks people down and transforms them in very harmful ways. I work with attorneys who were in the military years ago who still go into "evil killer robot" mode whenever something pisses them off, and it's down-right scary. If the military was like the militias and homestead-defenders of the 1700s that'd be one thing, but this "professional" arm stuff they do just seems very immoral.
Anyways, though, I think that when they recruit smart kids (which I personally think video game enthusiast kids generally are) they're shooting themselves in the foot, because tech-savy kids and smart kids can do worlds more to fight terrorism or enemies of the U.S. as civilian employees for various Federal Agencies or as scholars developing new weapons, strategies, or policy proposals.
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Anyways, though, I think that when they recruit smart kids (which I personally think video game enthusiast kids generally are) they're shooting themselves in the foot, because tech-savy kids and smart kids can do worlds more to fight terrorism or enemies of the U.S. as civilian employees for various Federal Agencies or as scholars developing new weapons, strategies, or policy proposals.
Posted: Jan 7th 2009 11:18AM makattack said
You're generalizing too much. I know it's derived from the general lack of first-hand experience people have with the military. I was enlisted in our all-volunteer military in the 90's, and I know many men and woman from that experience who gained valuable life experiences and are not "killer robots" -- if only you understand how we are not trained with the stereo-typical "ours is not to reason why, but to do or die" mentality. As an attorney, you should ask your colleagues with military experience about the "law of land warfare"
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Posted: Jan 7th 2009 1:15PM (Unverified) said
I am a psychology major, I have traveled to places around the world and a new member of the US armed forces. To say that boot camp turns people into robots is completely ignorant. The vast majority of people I have met in the armed forces are completely well adjusted. I actually prefer to socialize with these people because they seem to appreciate what they have and value the people around them more than many civilians I have befriended.
The fact of the matter is, people are people no matter what they do, and where you go. Some a smart, some are dumb. Some are nice, some are mean. Some are well adjusted, some have problems. Some are ignorant and some are open to new ideas.
I hope that you continue your education in psychology with an open mind and come to accept people on a one to on basis.
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The fact of the matter is, people are people no matter what they do, and where you go. Some a smart, some are dumb. Some are nice, some are mean. Some are well adjusted, some have problems. Some are ignorant and some are open to new ideas.
I hope that you continue your education in psychology with an open mind and come to accept people on a one to on basis.
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