Greenberg gives Hirai a verbal smackdown for his 'longevity' talk

but to be %100 percent honest (can't believe i'm saying this) kaz hirai was more correct than greenburg

Hello kettle, I'm pot.

At least what they say matters... as opposed to a BLOG commenter.

but, i think it only matters to the other fanboys who can't think for themselves, so for any legit gamer it doesn't matter

To sum Kaz hirai's statement: "Our console is the best, we are still number one". You're right this guy is so much more correct than gGreenberg

i'm not talking about that part, i'm talking about when he said the PS3 will catch up

Well said.

I don't think we want Sony and Microsoft to spearhead the casual market and try to compete with Nintendo. As gamers who like non-casual games, that would threaten our hobby if the other two companies cloned Nintendo.

Anyway, my PS3 has greater longevity than the 360...in that it sits the longest without being turned on. Kaz has to defend his business' product, and so does Greenberg. However, we're still waiting for Sony to put their money where their mouth is, rather than in the toilet.

Idk if you were being sarcastic, but considering the PS2 has sold ~120 Million consoles, if 28 million is the best the 360 can do then that's not really a good thing....

Sony started in argument a while back regarding movie formats. I think theirs was Blu Ray vs. HDDVD and they won. I hope they lose this battle though. Never really was a sony fan...

Sony wins the format war, but they cant even finalise the Blu-ray format.

They have both BD+R & BD-R discs for sale - why not just have one finalised BD format so we dont have to go through all this compatability bullshit.

Damn, i dont think the different devisions are even talking to each other - the gaming devision & the mobile phone devision need to get together & design the PSPhone.

So how do you explain Sony's arrogance, that stupid console comparison chart and Kaz's delusional belief that they are still number one at the moment etc. Hardly the sign of a confident company. If anyone's afraid, it's Sony. They have much more to lose and with the way the economy is effecting at the moment and Sony's ignorance to their own failures it's pretty obvious who the scared ones are.

why should they be worried about the PS3?

did u see the recent NDP numbers? the XBOX 360 outsold the PS3 by double for the last two months.

Why do you think the Xbox 360 is doing so successful? Same exact reason! Hit the nail right on the head!

i'm sorry, but that was the dumbest thing i have ever heard come out of someones mouth

And here is a quote from Kaz in the interview with OPM that Greenberg was responding to.

"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?'

'So it's a kind of - I wouldn't say a double-edged sword - but it's hard to program for, and a lot of people see the negatives of it, but if you flip that around, it means the hardware has a lot more to offer."

As said on 8bitfix.com I don't think the point of interest in this back and forth between executives is the one Joystiq brought up but the part where Kaz describes his idea of longevity. As a PS3 owner I'm a little ticked off at the way he is spinning the shortcomings of the PS3 and insinuating that owners won't get what they paid for until the end of it's life cycle.

Personally, I like what Kaz has to say about development learning curves for the PS3. Yeah, it pisses off a lot of developers and owners, but in the end I think it will result in much finer looking games for the PS3. A comparision can be made to the PS2. It was hard to code for and the initial games for this system looked like balls. But, slowly, as the developers understood the framework of this system, the games improved quite a bit (in every way). I feel the same thing will happen for the PS3. Right now the games look awesome, but once the developers truly figure out how to write for it I think we'll see vast improvements over what's on the market now.

'Know nothing', that was supposed to read as.

WTF are you talking about?!? PSN does all the same things as xbox live, and i can't believe someone so uninformed as you would have the nerve to try and start a flame war, omg, i mean sure i have said some dumb things, i have defended the PS3 and 360, but at least i had some fucking facts

I want you to know that what I'm about to say comes from the bottom of my heart - Your post is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Do you make a habit out of talking out of your ass or was this your first time? There is no way to define a "gamer" these days. The reason for that is because of the multitude of options we all have. If you own a Wii it doesn't make you any less a gamer than me for owning all three systems, or a guy who only plays WoW on his PC. If you play games you are a gamer. Everyone has their own reasons for buying the gaming devices they do, and to belittle them by saying that they are not true "gamers" just shows your ignorance.

Who cares, if you want a Playstation buy a Playstation, if you want a 360 get a 360. Its personal opinion, you cant stereotype the consoles audience. It's just two people, trying to make their company more appealing than the other in a derogatory way.

I couldn't agree with you more buddy. Not the ignorant people that claim PSN is the same as LIVE. I am talking about the original commenter stating that PS3 is for movies and sometimes, sometimes a game. The Wii is for kids or people that like to swing their arms around making a fool of themselves, and that real hardcore gamers that loves online play and quality in their games by a 360. That I agree with 100%.

So, what about those of us who own all three consoles and a capable gaming PC?

Please. Don't start with these ridiculous assumptions about who is more of a "h4rDc0re gmrz" unless for some reason you actually WANT to look like an insecure nimrod. That means you, Magic Whiskey and Tricky Bandit.

I agree about 80% with the original poster.As for you other idiots trying to say psn is the same as live i think you need glasses.Psn is far behind live in performance and features.Live uses p2p gaming which in turn means that live gaming for specific games will always be available as opposed to dedicated servers from software companys that can be disabled at anytime due to costs.

The wii no matter how you look at it is a kids console its a disgrace to gaming it reminds me of the atari in its later years with shitloads of shovelware "et anyone?"

Ps3 im sure started as a good idea but the hd format war killed it and the cell killed it.They made the same mistake sega did with the saturn and history is our best teacher.So we all know where that lost cause is heading.

The point is this sony guy made a ass nine comment and i hope sony pulls there heads out there asses next gen because they already lost this one.

Sony fans can spin all they like but the fact is your console doesnt have as big a library and its network is in fact lacking in features compared to live.

And to the guy claiming hes has all three console and a high end gaming pc and hes all hardcore.

I used to do the same thing in the past when i was a young man.I would upgrade the pc have 10 consoles and say i was hardcore.

The fact is what makes you hardcore isnt how many consoles you own or software you own its how many hours you log gaming and how much you love it.

I own a ps3 a 360 and i sold my wii and i dont bother with pc gaming as its really pointless when i have a nice 52inc hdtv and a comfortable couch to game on along with a game system that gives me the same experience if not a better more affordable one.

My ps3 plays movies my 360 i use to play games and stream media because for me it just does those things better.

ok, without playstation xbox wouldn't be half of what is is now, and as for the game library comment, i am just gonna name a few PS3 exclusives (the good ones off the op of my head, not including PSN titles), sony does need to advertise more though, ok, here goes, warhawk, MGS4, LBP, ninja gaiden sigma, uncharted, uncharted 2, heavy rain, killzone 2, heavenly sword, FFXIII versus, valkyria chronicles, god of war III, disgaea 3, gt5, ratchet and clank,, those are just the ones of the top of my head, i'm missing a lot, the only thing that comes to my mind when i think xbox 360 is halo and gears both boring shooters imo, i am so tired of shooters that's all games are nowadays, here are the 360 ones i can think of, halo 2 (PC), halo 3(coming to PC), fable II (coming to PC), gears (PC), gears II, and left 4 dead (most likely gonna be on PC)

oh, and resistance 1 and 2

So you hated the PS3 due to the fact you couldn't afford it? Thats reasonable... /sarcasm. The reason why fanboys don't see nay games on the "other" console is because they have a retard alliegence to that company/console. Ryuk? Really? Gears (Yet you throw in Uncharted as being fun, excluding Gears) and Halo are boring? gosh i never would have guess since i have fun with those games all the time. You're no better than Tricky Bandit.

i guess boring wasn't really the word i meant, hmm....how about stale, it's just more of the same, the reason i differentiate gears and uncharted is because with gears it's just a bunch of beefed up men yelling and grunting and doing everything overly dramatic, i mean pushing over a simple shield is like some huge thing, with uncharted it's kinda tomb raider meets indiana jones meets gears, and suprisingly it works, and as for halo, it was fun 5 years ago, but now i just think they are milking it for all it's worth, i just don't think it's fun, and i think one of the things that ruins the halo experience for me is the players, they are all a bunch of immature 12 year olds, though it's just one guys opinion, not like it matters

Yeah I agree about Halo 3. I never played a Halo game, just assumed it would be good...but it turned out to be just another FPS with the ability of making a bigger target of yourself by jumping and being in the air for 10 seconds. If you can not tell...I hate halo 3. But that being said, I had never played the others so I cant say anything about the story or single player. I was specifically talking about online play.

Now as to PS3...I always was in line for PS branding. But I switched to the 360 and never looked back. I have NO interest in a single game on PS3 except MGS4. And that was because I was always a MGS fanboy. Killzone, eh. Resistence, looks cool, but I played it for about an hour at a friends house and got bored...it was just another bland FPS. And all the other descent games comes out for xbox also that PS3 has. God of war...bored of button pushers since I was 15. The ONLY game I would ever buy if I had a PS3 would be MGS4....then it would go straight on eBay. I had the money for a PS3 when it launched, I had been saving for it. But I decided to go against my old PS fanboy ways and develop a brain. I know its harsh...one day you all will understand what happens to you when you develop one.

So I decided to go out and get a 360. And about 5 games for it. Instead of just a system I could play demo's on for the same price. Whats so funny is that I used to diss all my friends who had bought a 360...I was a HUGE PS fanboy. Then I became smart.

Oh and BTW too...you may want to know that Left 4 Dead (AMAZING GAME) came out for PC and 360 at the same time. They was planning on developing for PS3. But Valve stated that Sony was too hard to develop for, and developed for 360 and PC exclusively. I guess they took a smart pill too, since the attach rate for 360 owners for games is so high, and since 3rd party dev's like to produce for 360 better than Sony due to selling so much better, that they just stuck with 360 and forgot the PS3.

Oh yeah...that Drake game. I played it, actually had to beat it for a friend because he couldn't. And it was just a copy of what Lara Croft used to be. I guess they just decided some guys would rather look at a dude instead of a gorgeous woman. I didn't think that would work for them, but you just proved to me that I guess some guys would go for that.