NPD: MGS4 sells over 1 million in US, Tomb Raider left undiscovered

The US is not the whole world. Konami don't only get money from US sales. If you can't get it into your head that MGS4 has sold 4 million and not 1 million, then again, I'm really sorry, you're an idiot.


But screw it. You are a brick wall, and I refuse to bang my head against you any more.

Haha, 'loyalty'

I have no loyalty, man. I'm just tired of seeing so many twits around here.

I've got a PS3. I've got a Wii. I'll soon have a 360. I don't give a shit about the system, or the manufacturer, or what. I just want to play games, and the fact that there are still so many of you who see sales as the one and only indicator of quality or some shit... it's kinda depressing, actually.

Now, if you consider that the Metal Gear fanbase is a bit of a niche audience to begin with, and that the PS3 install base is still smaller than that of the 360's or the Wii's, 1.5 million in the US becomes a bigger sounding number.

Key word? Consider. Consideration requires thought.

you post a lot of new threads. Why not just stick to 1? Try to hit over one page of replies, like Sprinkles?

Triple posting the same thing in a different wording isn't going to make your point any more clear. You think MGS4's sales are a failure, we get it.

I wonder if this guy compares everything to the sales of Halo 3...

"Your dad only makes $200k a year? What a failure! That's like, only, $100,000 in 6 months!! No matter how you try to spin it, your dad is poor!!"

I like how you conveniently recall that America is the largest market for video games in the world, yet at the same time ignore that for a game to sell 1.5 million units to an audience of 7 million people in a timeframe of six months is pretty damn impressive no matter how you spin it. Especially since we're talking about Metal Gear, here.

The 360 is an Americanized console - that's why it's not hard for games to sell 2 mil and up quickly here. There's 16 million 360 owners here - they aren't spread around the world nearly equally like PS3 owners. With that said, when you compare install bases and the percentage of owners that games like this sell to, you see that MGS4 is doing a pretty good job, even next to games like Gears of War 2.

And why are you only looking at the one region? That's completely meaningless. You say it's bad the game 'only' sold 1.5 million in the one region, the 'largest region' (it's not, btw, Europe sales are bigger) but why is it bad if it's actually sold 4 million over all?

You're just cherrypicking your figures to make the game's sales look worse than they are.

It could have sold only 0.1 million in the US and 4 million worldwide, and your argument would *still* be pointless. You think Sony and Konami actually care that most of the sales came from outside of the US? Why should it matter to them?

Like I said, I'm not the one spinning, you are.

And because I'm bored of arguing with you, I'll just present you with the following:

- MGS4 has sold to 19% of all US PS3 owners.

- Gears 2 has sold to 18% of all US 360 owners.

Both these figures will drop over time, as the consoles are selling faster than the games. Back when MGS4 first released it's percentage would have been even higher because of this.

Are you now going to claim that Gears 2 is even more of a failure than MGS4?

Gears of War 2 has sold 4.39m world wide
MGS4 has sold 3.81m world wide

There's not much room there to call Metal Gear a failure unless you want to put the sales of the second biggest game on the 360 down as well

And yes, I agree with Hyams, hit the reply button, it boosts your IQ, I swear. You sound like you need a few more points

Once again:

Gears of War 2 has sold 4.39m world wide
MGS4 has sold 3.81m world wide

There's not much room there to call Metal Gear a failure unless you want to put the sales of the second biggest game on the 360 down as well

And yes, I agree with Hyams, hit the reply button, it boosts your IQ, I swear. You sound like you need a few more points

SO

No matter how many links you throw at us

Or how many line breaks you put in your comments, which should be replies,

MGS4 is not a failure.

Gears 2 sold a ton its first week, then sales died down really quickly. MGS4 has sold steadily since release. I have a big problem with people judging sales by the first week alone. All that measures is how long the hype train is, not how well the game sells.

Clicking the 'reply' button isn't all that hard bro. Give it a shot when you reply to this, doing otherwise just makes you look stupid (I'm not calling you stupid... I might disagree with you but at least you're not blatantly trollan like Gundam, and you seem to know what you're talking about).

1.5 million is not 19% of 7 million, bro, it's around 22%.

With that said, Gears of War 2 did drop pretty damn quickly in terms of sales - whereas MGS4 continues to sell at a steady pace, Gears of War 2 is one of those games where almost everyone interested in it buys it at launch.

You may not think MGS4 is the greatest game out there, but that doesn't make it a failure. These sales indicate otherwise.

I'm not a pot and I'm not meeting any kettles. Reading through all the pages of comments, I came across this...

"And just like I said, the sdf would spin my comment.. I SAID 1 miliion sold in the US up to this point IS a failure in my book. Not 4 mil total.."

So let's look at it like this:
Gears 2 has sold 2.9m in the US thus far.
MGS4 sold roughly 1.2m within the first 10 weeks.
With the PS3's install base of about 1/3 that of the 360's, 1.2m is a higher ratio of MGS4 to PS3 than Gears to 360.

I'm "spinning" this to say that if there were as many PS3's as 360's, this game would have in theory sold 3.6 million in its first 10 weeks in the US. Now, that is theorized, so I'm sure you're going to attack it like a rabit fucktard.

The fact remains that we've shown you time and time again that it sold well, and you just take the facts, throw them in a trash can, take a few words from your previous post and scramble them up to come up with another one that doesn't make sense.

The game sold well, there's nothing you can say to go against that. It didn't sell as well as Halo or Gears 2, and it is not a failure.

I'm done here, you're useless anyway.

"I'm done here"

When you said that I immediately thought of Snake's victory taunt in Brawl, heh heh. Since he's my best character (I destroy people with Snake) I find myself imitating him whenever I pull off a good move.

I have to ask what the point is that your trying to make. Are you trying to say Americans don't like MGS 4 as much as Gears and Halo? Are you trying to infer the game sucks because it didn't already sell 2 million in the NA region?

What is the point?

I just don't understand what the point is that your trying to make everyone understand.

Are you trying to say it would sell more on the 360?

What is the point of all this nonsense your talking about?

"Oh NOES!!" Here comes the spiiin... Agaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnn..

*caught up in the whirlwind of false facts and excuses*

*stands behind a gameshow botth w/cards in hand*

I don't know what the question was sir, but you are CORRECT!

-DING!

So if it's all about money why is it that arguments about region are valid? Following that logic HBO Boxing would be upset if they didn't sell as many PPVs in America as they did in Europe.

Developers & publishers make more money selling games everywhere not named North America.

If it's about the money why wouldn't Vale port L4D to the PS3 like EA did with the Orange Box?

Putting reasons and making interpretations of data (install base, region etc ...) is necessary isn't about spinning. It's about trying to extract information and look beyond the sales figures.

Got it?

But that's just America. Outside of the US, L4D unfortunately bombed. And as the US isn't the only country in the world, I'm sure Valve are looking at total worldwide sales, not just US sales.

L4D has sold ~1.4 million in total.

MGS4 has sold ~4 million in total,
LBP has sold ~2 million in total,
Resistance 2 has sold ~1.4 million in total.

@Hymas

You can't really compared L4D to MSG4 though. L4D is a mutliplatform release in that it was released on the pc as well where as msg4's sales are just on a single console.

I personally bought L4D on the PC simply because pc graphics on a pc are overall better than consoles from 2-3 years ago ala xbox 360. If MSG4 had came out on the PC the same day as the ps3, I would have bought the PC version there too.

The only exception to that rule would be of its something like GTAIV or Mass Effect where no pc version has been annouced and it might potentially take 3-4 months for a port to be made that might not even be made.

If the PC version had not been released at the same time, or no pc version made, L4D could probably easily have sold 1.4 million + probably 1/2 the pc sold copies. This is pretty interesting when you factor in how many man hours when into creating both games.

Left 4 Dead for example is based of the aging half life 2 engine and really is almost a mod + some ai programming + some engine tweeks.

MSG4 however I suspect may have taken a larger team for a larger length of time. Especially when you consider the amount of cgi in that game. I wouldn't be suprised if the cgi in that game was nearly as expensive as the cost of making a Pixar movie.

So even if the number of copies sold between Left 4 Dead and MSG4 were even, Left 4 Dead was far more profitable overall because of having pc sales as well and less production costs. The same thing occurs in movies were hit-low-budget movies like Super Bad make huge profit margins that are far greater than big-blockbusters.

If you're going to ignore install base, you still don't win this argument, MGS4 isn't far behind Gears 2, so unless you think anything below the sales of Gears 2 is a failure, you're way off.