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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:14PM vidguy said

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Ah, the BlueBook, get it away! I swear I'm tormented by that thing in my sleep.

Interesting piece. Hopefully legislators have learned from the recent disasters; I just have a feeling they will keep with the shotgun approach until something sticks. Shoot, I don't think it's too far of a stretch for the federal legislature to get involved and regulate under the interstate commerce power.

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:33PM (Unverified) said

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You dont love the blue book! For shame! I keep that thing right next to my Bible.

Now what I do love is the Glannon Guide to Civil Procedure. And I think I had that contracts book.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:17PM oteriba said

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I'm against any bill that restricts the free speech of games, but if it penalizes stores for selling M rated games to kids, I'm for that. But the problem is that if it happens to games, it should happen to other forms of media as well. No uncensored CDs/MP3s to minors. No movies rated R. I think that although the part of the bill that Jack Thompson's bill has that would penalize retailers who sell to minors is well intentioned, it will be hard to enforce, especially because if it only targeted video games it might fail.

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 12:19AM (Unverified) said

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That bill won't stop parents from buying M rated games for their kids, and as long as an adult is purchasing them, retailers could care less. I was in the 6th grade when I got "Duke Nukem:Time to Kill" and I did not know what it was about or even hear about it until after I played it for the first time. Parents don't pay any attention to warning labels on games most of the time anyways.
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Posted: Feb 10th 2009 10:06AM emirabal said

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Yeah, agreed, no problem with enforcing a law that should be there in place already, dont sell M rated materials to minors, it applies to movies, cd's and games, so be it.

Good read, have to say this is one of the better articles LGJ has done.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:25PM (Unverified) said

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Politics 101:

Take advantage of a situation. Any situation.

......Sounds kinda like a drunk frat boy.....

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:30PM mlg rules said

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Woah.................i think this was the longest article ever written on joystiq.........

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:38PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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would you prefer a commercial interruption?
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Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:32PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Wow all those attempts seem pretty pointless and will only ending costing taxpayers more money. This is the type of garbage we don't need in our country right now. I'm all for penalizing retailers who sell content to minors that they shouldn't but beyond that it's beyond absurd. I figured Thompson would have gotten the memo to disappear into obscurity after being disbarred but his phony crusade endures.

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:33PM (Unverified) said

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What article?

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:57PM waywardwit said

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hahaha I know most of those books. Death.

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 10:59PM Ignatius said

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Just what we need, more worrying about stupid things.

How'sa about we just start up our fireplaces and burn our money? It's gonna be as worthless as the German marks after WWII soon enough...

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 11:03PM (Unverified) said

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An old political trick, you fuck up, blame someone/something to divert attention.

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 11:14PM Deschain said

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Huge waste of time, and tax payer money. The fact is people have always done stupid crap. Video Games are just societies newest scapegoat to do these things. I would love to see the day when "billy, who slapped his mom with a taco because he can't play Halo" doesn't go to court and cause a ruckus, with the game being the focus of the problem. but it's likely that the said taco slapper will see the judge pointing at his game system for some time to come...

(true story btw)

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 11:18PM DonaldMick said

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How come someone hasn't written a letter to a Utah legislator that can be summed up with "You know this proposal was written by a disbarred lawyer"?

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 11:28PM BananaBoat said

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How long until the EFF is out of legal resources to fight all of these bills at once? You throw enough sh*t at a wall, and sooner or later something is going to stick if there aren't enough people to continuously apply anti-stick agents such as Crisco and WD-40. Once something sticks, there is precedent, and suddenly a ton more will stick, and we'll never hear the end of it.

Fight on you glorious EFF sum bitches.

Posted: Feb 9th 2009 11:41PM (Unverified) said

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This is rediculous

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 12:17AM (Unverified) said

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Maybe the surge in recent game legislation is a coincidence? As Mark mentions, many of the legislators responsible have been proposing similar bills in previous years.

Their efforts may be misguided or corrupt, but they are accurately representing many voters who perceived an issue with the popularity of mature games among kids-- which has some truth. And as long as it is true, the perception will exist, the battle will continue, and tax money will go to the ESA by way court order (hey, that's not so bad).

We gamers might be better served by proposing our own solutions, rather than denouncing attempts by misinformed non-gamer politicians. Minors playing adult games is a real problem which we need to solve if we don't want third parties attempting to solve it for us.

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 12:33AM (Unverified) said

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Also, my proposal is to lower the legal age to two years for everything. Toddlers with tattoos and porn! C'mon America!
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Posted: Feb 10th 2009 2:56AM ZippyDSMlee said

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"Also, my proposal is to lower the legal age to two years for everything. Toddlers with tattoos and porn! C'mon America!"
That's for Japan silly.
*hides*
:P
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Posted: Feb 10th 2009 11:21AM Giroro said

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Somebody needs to fund pro-gamer lobbyists. Lobbyists are the only way to get shit done.
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Posted: Feb 10th 2009 12:18AM (Unverified) said

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Yet another distraction topic... >_> ...away from the real, NO corpoREICH media involved news. (Hint: corpoREICH welfare on the banks, anyone)?

Let's call out Jack Thompson for his attention-whoring.

1 state down, 49 more to go.


Posted: Feb 10th 2009 1:50AM ZippyDSMlee said

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THe was US law you can't create a law that uses a 3rd party rating board to ban or limit the sale of mature media to minors.

Though I would be for a law that limits minors buying mature media but not making their access to it illicit.

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 2:18AM (Unverified) said

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To start off i manage a Video game Retailer:

but from my perspective minor's buying video games with mature content is bad for sure, not cause my company says dont do it, but because kids shouldnt be exposed to such things.

The problem is this is impossible to enforce.

If my employees refuse to sell the kid a game, the kid goes and gets his parent, and they buy the game saying "well all his friends have it".

IF the parent is smart enough to limit the kids exposure, then you knwo what the kid does? Goes out of the store for 5 minutes and finds any adult, who doesnt give a damn and has them come in claiming to be "the big brother".

At that point i have no say in the matter, the kid gets the game, and the parent nor i have a say.

Besides that the ERSB ratings are terrible, You get a "Teen" rating for anything with a hint if violence unless you have the name "pokemon" or "disney" Even the stuff on nicktoons gets E10 "cause its comedic violence"

Then we have the Ever popular "Mature" rating, which is broader than the span of Jack Thompsons idiocy. You have games like "Halo" in which you play the hero fighting off hordes of bad guys to save the universe from ultimate disaster. While there is Blood, there is next to no gore,

On the other hand of the spectrum you have games like "Grand theft auto", where the premise of the game is "How offensive can rockstar get and still keep an "m" rating on the package".
For instance the game has you "Shooting at cops" "Selling Drugs" "Sleeping with hookers, then killing them to reclaim the money you paid her".


So despite what laws are inforced unless you take it to the extreme that cigarettes are ((with it being a crime to buy for a minor)which goes against free speech in this case) kids will find a way.


PS: hilarious story; i had a 13yr old drag his mother into the store to buy him grand theft auto, where he ASURRED her that the game was not that bad. As part of my job i informed her the game contained violence sex and to combine the two "kill the hookers to get your money back". She then promptly backhanded him, grabbed his ear, thanked me and dragged him out screaming things like "Dont you ever F***ing try to trick me again you little S***!"

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 2:56AM ZippyDSMlee said

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Its easy to enforce the sale of mature media directly to minors is a fineable offense.

If mommy and daddy buy it its because A: they don't care. B:They are guiding their kids into maturity.

The point of limiting minors access directly to media is because kids should learn such things on their won, adults are meant to guide children.

The trouble comes from how US law is setup, you can't easily do it.
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Posted: Feb 10th 2009 9:57AM Professor Lario said

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That's a great story! Love the backhand...
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Posted: Feb 10th 2009 5:24AM (Unverified) said

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Instead, since the start of the year, it seems there has been an explosion of potential new video game regulations, from Jack Thompson's bill in Utah, to New York, to the US Congress, to Australia

Actually, in the case of the Australia, that's old legislation which has been improperly enforced. MMOs are supposed to have ratings. They don't. They should. They will. Done.

Australia's game legislation requires improvement, yes, but unlike the US, our politicians... no, politician (Michael Atkinson) is more interested in keeping things the way they are than changing anything.

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 10:06AM Abdo said

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Little Gig Janet?

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 11:09AM Giroro said

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Sadly, the legislators here in Utah are so God damn retarded Jack Thompson's bill will probably pass. Odds are gaming laws here will soon be just as retarded as the drinking laws.

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 12:06PM JoshMilewski said

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Politicians: Get the fuck out of my Bill of Rights.

Posted: Feb 10th 2009 2:51PM strommsarnac said

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First, minors are not protected by the bill of rights nor free speech and other constitutional rights accorded adult US citizens.

Second. Free speech is not accorded where it impinges upon the rights of others.

Age regulations should be legalized. I hate going to a movie and there's a bunch of punks screwing around interrupting my viewing experience. :)

Anyways, seriously, I have kids and regulate what they watch and do. It's called BEING A PARENT. Parents aren't supposed to be your kids best bud. That leads to too many issues down the line. I'm not saying don't be a friend, you just need to understand (and so do they) that you are a parent first. Sometimes that means your kid doesn't get what they want, or they get pissed off at you... Get over it. It's part of life. If a kid is handed everything they want, they WILL be disfunctional in society. The measure of a parent is does their child succeed in adult life.

I'm also a teacher (for 5 years, was in IT for 18 before that). I personally know hundreds of kids who play violent games. I don't know of a single one who lost it because of a game. Heck, I know more kids from the 70's (when I was the only one in the city with a computer) who had more negative behaviour.

It's not the game, movie or book which makes kids go bad. Some are that way already and they gravitate to the game because it gives them an out. Some are that way because of their upbringing, or just because. This crap was tried on D&D back in the day and it was proven that parenting has more impact than exposure to movies, etc.

Kids who's parents talk to them about violence tend not to have problems. I've played FPS's, RPGs, and other games with my kids since they were in first grade. They are stable, well rounded functional adults and teens. Their life does not revolve around the "tube" (as it was said in my day). Why? Because my wife and I didn't and still don't let it.

Sure, there are always exceptions. But you know what? The kids that epitomize those are going to find some other "crux" for activists to try to ban next.

Posted: Feb 11th 2009 6:45AM (Unverified) said

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Surely they have age-restrictions in all next-gen consoles? Are those turned on by default? It should make kids getting 18 cert games pointless... but of course it doesn't.

I have no troubles with limiting games for minors... i just don't like the way games are picked on as the new "evil".

But don't worry, gamers are growing up now, soon people will move on to a new "evil" responsible for the downfall of civilisation.

Posted: Feb 11th 2009 2:19PM PoisonFacecamo said

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All these laws are ridiculous.. they can put whatever the hell they like in an R rated movie, gratuitous violence, sex, drugs, profanity, yet in games basically an M rated game contains the same amount or less of all those things than a 14A rated movie.. pathetic. what use is the AO title if no one will ever make and be able to sell an AO rated game.. the whole system is flawed imo and I think that the game ratings and movie ratings should be judged by the same standards or even on the same scale...

Posted: Apr 11th 2009 10:53PM (Unverified) said

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I'm 22 and get "ID'd" for buying video games at brick & mortar stores. I just say fuck it now, though, and buy everything online.

The only reason I ever go to video game stores is if I'm shopping with a girl friend and need to look at something more stimulating than clothes or pet stores.

None of this law is going to matter in 10 years, though, when game companies invent new kind of media that make video games obsolete (if you watch that conference where Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both talked on stage about the future of tech you'll see what I mean -- specifically the whole interactive TV, thing where you pick up a tennis racket and start playing instead of a controller etc.).

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