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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 7:05PM (Unverified) said

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OMG ONLY 15th? IT TOTALLY BOMBED!!!!!
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 9:20PM (Unverified) said

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Funny, if it was a ps3 exclusive that debuted at 15 you and many others would be saying it did in fact bomb.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2009 7:13AM xxxsam said

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@tmac: Well, it didn't exactly 'bomb', but 10th for one week (let's use the real chart, please) is hardly a storming success. If it's still somewhere in the top whatever next week, great - if not, we can start using the 'b' word. I noticed there was a poster for this outside HMV too - one of, like, two games advertised at a time - so it's not like they aren't promoting it.

@original post: There are plenty of Wii owners who'd like 'hardcore' games, as in games that aren't minigame collections or film/TV tie-ins, but don't like 'hardcore' games, as in three-hour lightgun gorefests with reportedly tacky humour. Kind of interesting how there's really not that much in the middle in Wii, at least in terms of games that are actually good; you go straight from WarioWare to House of the Dead, MadWorld, No More Heroes etc...
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 7:20PM Shagittarius said

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If only the Wii had come out a few years earlier, it could have been featured in Idiocracy.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 7:50PM samfish said

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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 7:55PM (Unverified) said

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The charts you're referencing are for specific consoles. Fear 2 placed second when you add up all copies sold across all platforms. Guess it depends on how you want to look at it.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:04PM samfish said

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Seeing as how everyone reports NPD and Media Create numbers by units instead of combined platforms, it seems a bit retarded of Joystiq to suddenly do otherwise.
...but then, if they didn't, how else could Jem Alexander piss all over 'casual' games?
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:07PM (Unverified) said

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I prefer to take the NPD way and not Activision's "Guitar Hero-various" way
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:08PM FernandoRocker said

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samfish

The reason why Joystiq did this, was because they simple wanted to not give credit to the good sales of Overkill.

In reality, Overkill sold a lot more than for example the PS3 version of Fear. Of course, Joystiq wont give to Overkill that credit.

Just look at this line: "Considering the number of Wii owners clamoring for hardcore games, they don't seem to be buying them when they actually appear." you guys should tell that to PS3 owners: there isn't a single PS3 game on the Top 10.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:17PM (Unverified) said

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Oh come on Fernando. Its not like Call of Duty sold almost 3 times as many copies on the Wii in one month than on the PS3 over 3 months because M-rated games just don't sell on the Wii. If some one like James or Jem says it often enough that makes it a fact!
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:18PM FernandoRocker said

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"Seeing as how everyone reports NPD and Media Create numbers by units instead of combined platforms, it seems a bit retarded of Joystiq to suddenly do otherwise.
...but then, if they didn't, how else could Jem Alexander piss all over 'casual' games?"


Well samfish, every other site, Gamasutra, Kotaku, NeoGAF, Destructoid... posted the individual sales, and everyone is very happy to see Overkill in the Top 10 (which by the way, was released last friday in the UK).

Joystiq is the only place using the combined consoles sales, and I bet it was only to include the obligatory Wii bashing.

I mean, I can expect this kind of unprofessionalism by Kotaku, really. But no. It was by Joystiq. And it's a shame.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 10:19PM Mr Khan said

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It merely shows the individuality expressed by joystiq authors, i think. Two of 'em, specifically, who seem to enjoy their little snide assaults on Nintendo.

Makes it easy to know which articles to take seriously, though
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Posted: Feb 18th 2009 3:26AM (Unverified) said

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Actually the reason it isnt going the NPD way is because it's UK charts, so obviously they have a completely different system for tracking.

Although i must add, it's a cheap shot against hardcore games when House of the Dead is your poster boy; an arcade relic that hasnt been relevant to most gamers for a long time.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2009 9:59AM samfish said

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The UK charts show multiple ways. The standard way has ALWAYS been to show the individual units sold...not group multi-plat games together. That's the way every other tracking firm AND news outlet reports it.
It just seems bizarre to suddenly show the more inaccurate way, especially when the entire newspost is basically dedicated to taking a shot at the Wii.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 7:51PM Foetoid said

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Since FEAR 2 is on 3 platforms and House of the Dead: Overkill is on 1 platform, i wouldn't have expected it to fair any better than 15th. AntiWiiStiq FTW! -_-
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 7:57PM (Unverified) said

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Then again, the Wii's install base is 1000x bigger than both the PS3s and the 360s install...
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:02PM (Unverified) said

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then again, the UK also went batshit insane over Big Beach Sports
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:04PM FernandoRocker said

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AI2x

By that logic, games like God of War 2 are the biggest bombs ever... it managed to sell only 2 million copies with an install base of 120 million.

The House of the Dead: Overkill sold extremely good. It was at number 10. Problem is that the list that Joystiq linked is a list with the games combined by platforms.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:07PM Foetoid said

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Or its 2x bigger (maybe)? And when you add PC install base, that changes everything.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:03PM (Unverified) said

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Of course HOTD wont sell well, its Sega after all - best RPG of this gen Valkyria doesnt sell, VF5 moderate sales, Club, Sega Rally, it seems like poor Sega is cursed.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 8:44PM iHavePants said

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Isn't that when you're meant to do it?
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Posted: Feb 17th 2009 10:12PM Mr Khan said

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Can't miss that chance to take a shot at Nintendo, eh? Aside from the fact that everyone likes to point and laugh when Wii games don't chart on their opening weekend, but conveniently ignore it when they pass all sales expectations much later

House of the Dead 2 & 3 collection are somewhere at 800-900k (i think), this one should perform admirably WW
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Posted: Feb 18th 2009 3:22AM context said

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pfff... Fernando will you ever go away you wii fanboy. You can argue that it's bad journalism I agree. You can absolutely not say they are bashing the wii you can say as much as they are bashing wii fanboys like you. Who are very vocal on the interwebs, but don't buy good hardcore games when they are here to buy.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2009 4:47AM (Unverified) said

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"All Format" combined charts are complelely useless now, Wii has changed things too much.
With its installed base and hordes of clueless parents buying digital babysitters it simply has too big of a footprint in the combined chart, which drives everything else down artificially.

Waste of time, split the chart to per console.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2009 7:25AM IanC said

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Meanwhile, in the Wii only chart House of the dead Overkill placed... 3rd.

In the all formats, but separated by format it placed.... 10th.

So much for not selling.

House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return has sold at least a million, and placed worse than Overkill when it came out.

Face it, first week sales mean squat now.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2009 12:47PM Dralthi said

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"Considering the number of Wii owners clamoring for hardcore games, they don't seem to be buying them when they actually appear"

I wouldn't consider an on-rails shooter a hardcore game that Nintendo fans have been clamoring for. Nintendo's 3rd-party developers still fail at delivering a solid AAA title for the Wii. Until that day comes my wallet will remain closed to any Wii games.
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