Gabe Newell presents his vison for the gaming industry at D.I.C.E.

Don't be such a douche with a chip on your soldier, I can hear the waaaahing from here. Jeezus, get with it, it's an article about a fatty, stay on topic.

No silly.

That's the steam valve of the interwebs. It's a series of tubes remember?

Yeah, he's really missing out on the dough there. *rolls eyes*

Offday: EA would say yes, they are missing out on some dough.

Oh wow, Ace, calling someone a dumbass for liking the PS3... Super mature dude.

But hating somebody just because he doesn't develop on your platform? Man, that Shigeru Miyamoto is such a tool - he only develops games for Nintendo.

"The ps3 doesn't deserve any attention at all so be grateful for the few scraps you got. Not that it does much since most of the games are multiplat and the 360 exclusives are a totally higher level that those pathetic tech demos sony claims are games people want to play."

Name one 360 game that looks noticeably better than it's PS3 counterpart.

You know, other than Lost Planet.

It goes both ways, too, ya know - there are games that have ended up looking better on the PS3 than on the 360 - Devil May Cry 4 says haaay.

And lol @ 'few scraps'. You know, you're the one who ends up looking like he's in denial in the end.

"The ps3 doesn't deserve any attention at all so be grateful for the few scraps you got. Not that it does much since most of the games are multiplat and the 360 exclusives are a totally higher level that those pathetic tech demos sony claims are games people want to play."

Name one 360 game that looks noticeably better than it's PS3 counterpart.

You know, other than Lost Planet.

It goes both ways, too, ya know - there are games that have ended up looking better on the PS3 than on the 360 - Devil May Cry 4 says haaay.

And lol @ 'few scraps'. You know, you're the one who ends up looking like he's in denial in the end.

If this is a double post, fuck yo couch Joystiq

Mod says: Fuck yo couch, Insight.

Don't feed the animal people.

Sprinkles is back.

It's good to see that Joystiq is deleting ridiculous comments.

Name calling aside....

The entire idea of playing favorites at this point is ridiculous. Console exclusives make as much business sense in 2009 as not having a web site or only taking sales by mail order.

It's one thing for a tiny little outfit with 20 guys to develop only for the Wii or the PC, but a major company like Valve is shooting themselves in the foot for not developing natively for at least the PC, 360 and PS3.

Look at the sales numbers. The 360 and PS3 are nearly identical in worldwide sales. Playing favorites with one versus the other means costing yourself MILLIONS in sales.

Time to grow up and stop with the personal vendettas, Newell.

I heard the only reason he showed up is because he thought DICE stood for Donuts, Icing, Cake, and Eclairs.

Hahaha, Zuburi wins the thread.

Well played Zuburi.

You mean the basic schemes of Steam that mean that if Valve decides my account has been compromised (perhaps shared), they can yank it and I lose every game I ever "bought" through Steam?

Even EA walked away from that early on. Once you had the game installed, it would continue to run.

I have the same exact sentiments towards the RIAA and the MPAA concerning their "losses". You're absolutely right, if they wouldn't have bought it in the first place it's not a loss.

My solution to the problem to offer media at prices that make piracy obsolete. They can make it up (and more) in volume.

And don't forget his most carefully calculated gaze, accentuated by camera shot from below looking on high. It's as though he's not just staring towards the future of the gaming industry, but towards the future of mankind itself.

Valve doesn't develop for consoles PERIOD. The console ports of Orange Box and the XBOX port of Left4Dead are handled by seperate studios. Valve have said that Left4Dead could have been ported to PS3 if anyone raised up and wanted to do it (EA did with Orange Box), but that they would not do it themselves.

What they complained about was the engine support they had to give the EA studio because Source was never designed for PS3 architecture, whereas the XBOX and PC are very similar.

But... I didn't reply to you :(

The reason is that he worked for MS.
And I am ok if he gives a pass on the PS3 - we dont get to play the great games valve makes, he doesnt get the money from, say, 1-1.5million sales from the PS3 for Left4Dead. He is also free to say that the PS3 is crap - Guerrila and Santa Monica are going to make him eat his words. But what Valve did with Orange was simply unprofessional and disrespectful.
And while I really, desperately wish I could play Left4Dead, when I think why - its because I had so much fun with resistance 2 and its online coop. Its a testament to how underrated resistance 2 is - forget the single and competitive multiplayer, which are both better in R2 and an afterthought in L4D, or the much better graphics in R2. Even in the coop online, R2 is so much deeper (though both are equally good fun I guess). Anyone who played R2 coop, Left4Dead is the same but without the brilliant, absolutely rocking class system and the depth it provides to gameplay.

kojima never said he refused to work on the 360, and konami put out a game that was 360 only.

Leo, you are wrong. Metal Gear has always primarily been a Playsation franchise. Valve is supposed to be a neutral third party for consoles, being a major supporter of the PC platform. It's much different to be a snob about something like this (Gabe) and developing a system exclusive (Kojoma).

Oh, and your comment sounded a whole lot more fanboy than the people you are calling fanboys, as usual.

Urg! This crap again? No Valve does not like developing for the PS3. It is their choice if they do not see any financial gain in developing. We don't run their business. Blaming them for the craptastic port of the Orange is flat out wrong though. They never intended the game to be ported to PS3, never spent the resources or man power to do so either. EA thought it would be lucrative and allotted their own resources for the job. Blame Valve for not doing it, but blame EA for doing it poorly.

@levi

"Leo, you are wrong. Metal Gear has always primarily been a Playsation franchise."

That is like saying the GTA franchise has been primarily a Playstation franchise before the 360. You are saying this not Konami.

@j.howlett

Kojima is just more polite about not saying it outright. You know with the whole culture of modesty and all.

The fact that Metal Gear Solid was not cross developed with the 360 is just as much a choice by Konami/Kojima than Newell/Valve not developing for the PS3. Not any amount of arbitrary babble can dispute this fact.

Jesus...

Give me the old Joystiq back. Where the hell are all the fanboy tards coming from??

Edit: We're working on it.

Leo

Kojima wanted to optimize MGS 4 to the PS3's architecture and not have to have cross platform degradation. It's different than a company saying the other system is a waste of time. Besides, Valve optimizes it's games for the PC and ports them to the 360. Kojima hasn't come out and mocked the 360 or talked bad about it and has in fact released games on the X-Box platform.

People are just saying they would like some Valve love on the PS3. It's not something to preach more of your hate against Kojima. It seems you can't go a month without badmouthing Kojima or MGS.

Konami releases most of it's games on the 360 anyway so the point is moot when comparing one game designer to an entire company. Valve has never willingly released a game on the PS3. The only reason Orange Box got ported was because of EA.

Don't mistake Kojima Productions for Konami.

Quit hating on Kojima already as well. The act is getting tired. Do you think anyone here has any doubts of your malcontent for Hideo Kojima? There is no need to continually belabor the point. Also, you are stereotyping every PS3 user in your reference to MGS 4. The majority of us have said that we would like more people to have a chance to play the majestic beauty that is MGS 4. If other people can experience one of the best games of our time and the most socially relevant game this generation I'm all for it.

Newell doesn't shun the PS3 so he can optimize for the 360. He does it because he is fat, lazy and is a former MS executive.

As far as GTA IV - Just so you know Sony actually could have had the game be a timed exclusive but opted to let Take2 out of the exclusivity agreement to keep a good relationship. So, GTA IB absolutely could have been a timed PS3 exclusive.

Valve doesn't develop for consoles PERIOD. The console ports of Orange Box and the XBOX port of Left4Dead are handled by seperate studios. Valve have said that Left4Dead could have been ported to PS3 if anyone raised up and wanted to do it (EA did with Orange Box), but that they would not do it themselves.

What they complained about was the engine support they had to give the EA studio because Source was never designed for PS3 architecture, whereas the XBOX and PC are very similar.

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You're obviously not very familiar with Steam or DRM, are you?

No, you obviously aren't familiar with Steam or DRM.

Steam is DRM. I cannot sell, trade or loan games I "bought" on Steam. This is because of the DRM, which is Steam. If you don't realize this, you have no place to talk about what others know about DRM.

Because of Steam, I don't really own the games. That's my problem with DRM.

You mean like $1 =£1?

very funny comment. +1