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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:11PM Funkmaster General said

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Sometimes, no, all the time, I really cannot stand the world we live in.

God, everyone just leave her alone.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:16PM (Unverified) said

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Hey, I love lesbians.
As a guy, I identify myself as a lesbian too ----- I LIKE GIRLS!!
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:37PM (Unverified) said

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Why did people vote me down?
That's it. Anyone who votes my comments down is a LESBIAN!!
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:40PM DjDATZ said

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Agreed. I really don't see what the point of harassing girls/women on Xbox Live is... And later those same people complain that there aren't enough girls in the profession. Well guess why?

@Dave while I understand what you're saying, a comment like that is part of the problem.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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@ DjDATZ

Ok, well I was just trying to make light of the situation. This shouldn't even really be an issue, even though she did violate the rules, but people like 333mzh REALLY should be voted down.

I'll vote myself down now.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:52PM TRTX said

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I bet I would be banned if I put "licensed hetero" in my profile.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:58PM DjDATZ said

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@dave yea...I figured as much...but still. As for 333mzh, I do agree, and I already voted him down.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:14PM (Unverified) said

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"Oh, this is so terrible! What kind of sick world is this?!"

Really? You're pissing your pants because of this? Compared to the rest of the world, getting kicked off of XBL is the least of people's issues. smh
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:23PM Funkmaster General said

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@DP

The fact that she got kicked off of Live is the secondary issue here. The harassment and intolerance is the first. Which to me is a pretty big problem.

Forget things going in other countries for the moment, this transcends that because this effects all human life, everywhere. Homosexuals don't just have some island in the Caribbean. The problem is an epidemic.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:32PM julian412 said

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Exactly, people annoy the hell out of me.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:45PM TheDarkWayne said

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they voted you down because you're fucking stupid
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:57PM SirUrza said

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You know what I find funny about this? You can get a lesbian banned, but all the host bridgers and lag switchers ruining Gears 2 multiplayer are still there.

I hate to sound insensitive.. but she must have done something to deserve it.

If not... well then we really need to find out how she got banned so we can get rid of all the cheaters. Because obviously it's easier to get innocent people banned then it is real problems.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 6:44PM (Unverified) said

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I Dont have problems if yours lesbian or gay but I do hate if your a fucking cheater.... I rather have a lesbians in my community than gangsters, drug dealers, terrorist , pedofiles, crackheads, methlabs, kellers... I wonder how many of them ppl are on xbox live???
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 6:21PM dartmerc said

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Dave, If you attempt humor and fail terribly people will vote you down.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 8:50PM GRT said

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What leads you to believe any of this is real?

I hate how willingly people accept "facts" because they see something on a website. I could have written that email to the Consumerist. Or you could have, for all I know. The details are very, very vague.

If the story is true, then sure, I agree with you. But there're no facts to back it up; at least, nothing that the Consumerist shared.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2009 9:24AM (Unverified) said

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@Reuben

"Homosexuals don't just have some island in the Caribbean"

No, they have a few in the Greek archipelago too.. ;-)

J1M.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:13PM (Unverified) said

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Assholes on Live? I'm shocked! SHOCKED I SAY!
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:27PM bxgt said

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Dude your skipping the whole point of this, were making it out so that she is innocent.Regardless of the harassment she wrote something about her being a lesbian for attention on her profile.She didn't have to write it but she did.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:15PM Ghen said

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I totally agree BxGT. xbox live is not the place for sexual orientation discussions. Not only because of the massive amount of pre-teens online but also because you're just going to get made fun of no matter what you write... so why write it?

All my profile does is links to guild website. Informational, not inflammatory.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:29PM BananaBoat said

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I'd have to agree...the rules clearly state that sexual orientation has no place on a profile. She broke this rule. Depending on whether or not she was warned to change her profile before she was banned outright, I'd say the banning was justified from MS's standpoint. If anything isn't right, it's that trolls decided to harass her and group report her until she got banned. It sounds like a couple of people made it their personal mission to make sure she got banned, and it is a shame that they succeeded.

Hopefully she'll read the rules next time. In the same way that I'd be banned for having "Heterosexual" in my profile, she got banned for having "Lesbian" there. It's not discriminatory, and it applies to all sexual orientations. Hopefully they'll reinstate her account and this will just serve as a warning to others to read the rules, and to not be shocked when a company enforces them.

(the irony of someone being banned for the word Lesbian on their profile on a service where "Gay" and other forms of the word gay are the second most popular insults on the service, second only to racial slurs, is not lost on me. It just shows you that the only place they are able to police is the profile and gamertag.)
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 5:02PM nandokun said

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Show of hands. How many of you read these rules prior to creating your profile?
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 5:10PM Saria the Cat said

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It's an indirect discriminatory policy. By not allowing anyone to express their orientation, Microsoft is taking away the right to express a prime identifier for a lot of people people.

Realistically speaking, the only way sexual orientation included in profiles would offend anyone would be if the particular orientation expressed is homosexual. So, in order to prevent any offense of conservative-minded people, Microsoft essentially gags all homosexual individuals from expressing their identities.

Heterosexual people do not have the same need to identify themselves because people always assume you are straight, since most of us are. Microsoft is "playing it safe" by creating a blanket policy, but this policy only really affects gays and is targeted to "censor" the presence of gays.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 5:12PM Saria the Cat said

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...Then again, we really shouldn't be concerned with the rights of people people. They're just mutants.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 6:19PM BananaBoat said

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@Saria

Or maybe they want to make their service family friendly, by getting rid of any reference to sex in profiles and gamertags.

I used to play an MMO where cursing wasn't allowed, nor was any talk of sex, nor any discussions relating to drugs or alchohol. This was in a game where you smoke pipes for mana, drink wine/beer/etc for mana, and can get married. Their reasoning, and Microsoft's reasoning (I'm sure) is that there ARE children playing. Children with parents that complain, and cause media firestorms.

Do I think it's right that the few should have power over the many? No. But in reporting on this girl who is a Lesbian, the fact that so many have been banned for sexual profiles/gamertags/etc that were heterosexual or bi-sexual, or whatever, is completely overlooked. The knee jerk reaction is "oh my god they banned a Lesbian for being a Lesbian" but that isn't the case here. I highly doubt that they care whether or not she is gay/bi/straight or a furry. Their only concern here is that there are children playing, and for that reason, sexual references aren't allowed on profiles. Maybe they should rethink that policy, especially when the aforementioned kids would hear FAR worse if they had voice chat on, but I wouldn't stamp them as homophobic for it.


(Personally, I'm for the "underground" zone being a free speech haven, where only cheaters are punished. All of the griefing, racist, profane little monsters could migrate to the underground zone, and the "casual" zone could be exactly what it sounds like; a zone for people that aren't playing as if the game were an actual sport that could be "won")
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 6:44PM EJ A said

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@Saria

Why would homosexual people need to identify themselves as such so publicly? Knowing that a forum with anonymous members such as the internet (let alone Xbox Live) and identifying yourself as "gay" just begs for such ire.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 7:56PM (Unverified) said

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@NoughtSoClever

I suppose you've never heard the expression, "Ignorance of the law excuses no one"?

Just because you don't know the rules word for word doesn't mean that breaking them makes you immune to the punishments.

I haven't read any rule about putting "I hate people who aren't white" as my bio on Xbox Live but it doesn't take a genius to realize it could get me in trouble.

Live isn't a place to parade your sexual orientation, whether you are hetero or homosexual, save it for Myspace and Facebook... or better yet, keep it to yourself.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 8:44PM BigD145 said

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Everyone should be a faceless and genderless entity while online. I think we need a motto for this:

"SPAY OR NEUTER YOUR GAMER."
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:13PM Rocketboy said

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Man, does that mean I have to remove "I like pus*y" from my gamertag? Come on, it's just who I am. It's my lifestyle.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:42PM CB said

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You have to remove "8==>" from your CoD clan tag as well.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 5:22PM kamanashi said

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Hmmm... I don't know. This will probably be overturned eventually anyways. Bad press for Microsoft so they will do something like send her some games or a year of Xbox Live to make it seem like they are sorry.

It's sad that people are still "offended" by homosexuality. Calling someone gay is the number 1 insult for most teenagers for some reason.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 6:34PM Assmar said

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You also have to remove the "8===>" from your mouth!

Not that there's anything wrong with that or anything.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 9:13PM (Unverified) said

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@Jose

Its the number one insult in college as well. I don't see it changing anytime either.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 10:01PM Rocketboy said

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Jose.. I'm confused, why would someone think keep a woman with no arms,legs,or a head in their mouth?

I mean, it just wouldn't fit.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:13PM sinergy said

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Wow....just.....wow.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:15PM (Unverified) said

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People are assholes.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:30PM (Unverified) said

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Avatar + Comment = Win.

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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:15PM RMM said

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Harassed her, and then followed her so they could harass her even further? Wow. What a bunch of pathetic piles of human garbage.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:57PM Hyams said

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Hi,

you must be new to the Internet,

welcome.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:06PM MrHashbrown said

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Well even you, Hyams, have to admit that's pretty pathetic, even for the internet. Following her to different games and reporting her because she identified herself as a lesbian? And their justification for it was for their kids not to see the word?

C'mon, idiot parents. If you're letting your kid play on Xbox Live, he's already seen/heard a LOT worse.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:20PM Hyams said

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This? This is nothing.

If the internet was an actual, physical location, and this actual, physical location was transcribed to a map, it would have the words "here be monsters" scrawled across it.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:59PM (Unverified) said

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this is exactly why premature adolescents and xbox live don't mix well.

I live in San Francisco and a lot of lesbians live here as well. just thought i should note that
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:59PM mynk said

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infact, i cant believe they all cared enough to go read her bio in her profile, and then once they caught something there they didnt like... instead of leaving the game they actually physically changed their game disk just to follow her into the same thing.

but i guess if they were just telling other's to report her for putting that in her profile, it was pretty stupid of her not to remove it. i wouldnt like one of my younger siblings coming to me and asking me they read the word lesbian on someone's bio and want to know what it means.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 5:05PM (Unverified) said

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"If the internet was an actual, physical location, and this actual, physical location was transcribed to a map, it would have the words "here be monsters" scrawled across it."

Win.

This just became my quote of the day.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:15PM (Unverified) said

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That's stupid. Hopefully she gets her Gamertag back...
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:23PM (Unverified) said

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I personally dont agree with that certain kind of lifestyle and dont intend to pretend to like just to fit in. But harassing a girl for it. Thats just ridiculous. And boo to Microsoft for even considering to cancel her account. That just boosts that lifestyle more and makes them look more like martyrs.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:20PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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I hope you do realize there's no, BAN HER SHE'S GAY option when you're reporting so odds are they didn't even know initially that her sexuality was the reason why people were reporting her.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:23PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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Never mind didn't read the last part of the article.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 3:29PM Haggard said

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Because people choose to be gay right?

You make me sick.
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:11PM (Unverified) said

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NINI....YAH IN CAPS
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Posted: Feb 26th 2009 4:45PM (Unverified) said

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Oh gosh Baron calm down. You don't even know me to make you sick. I'll make even worse if you want me too?

We can keep playing this game about people choosing or born gay. Its funny how once this subject comes up there is alot of hatred going around. Also funny how this one subject brings hatred out of people, maybe its the subject thats wrong?

Like I said, I dont care, choose your lifestyle, I have my opinion and I think its wrong. And of course your going to bash me because "oh you hater, you discriminator!!!" but if I agreed you would love me to death right?
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