Punch-Out!! doesn't force motion control

The NES game was fun enough, but I can't see myself paying $50 for something without significant new content; the original didn't exactly have a ton of variety or replay value, and a lack of such is less acceptable now than it was 20-something years ago.

YEEESSS!!! Classic control restored!

So, once again, remind me: why did Nintendo need to reinvent the wheel when they designed the Wii controller? Just to get Mom and Grandpa to do some Wii Bowling and Wii Yoga?

With each new or updated Nintendo franchise on the Wii, it's the same thing: "Hey, use our crazy new interface...or just use what the rest of the gaming world uses. Your choice!" (I don't really count TP, since it's essentially a GC port)

I'm starting to really regret buying a $250 Emulator/Wii Sports machine

Looks like Nintendo learned from their two biggest sellers of last year, Mario Kart and Smash, that people like having options when it comes to controls. Hopefully they'll continue this tread with all their big releases.

This is one of the few exceptions that I actually agree with. Most of the time, giving the option of a classic controller or a god-awful GC controller are to compensate for the developer's lack of skill in creating quality controls. They just take the easy way out and offer last-gen controls. But having to actually box to play a graphical update of Punch-Out would be unnecessarily strenuous.

Eh, i'll give both a try to see where it goes. But if its anything like Mario Kart, the motion controls will be way more fun and actually easier to use anyway

The game is about speed and precision and whatnot, but they could redevelop it in a lot of ways

huzzah! now please put more than 16 fighters in it.

"Fans of the NES version and core gamers will be excited to see Nintendo has also included the option to play Punch-Out!! using the classic layout from the original NES controller. Use the 1 and 2 buttons along with the cross pad to throw hooks and jabs or to dodge."

The cross pad? Since when?

Also, funny that they acknowledged that "core gamers" typically don't prefer motion controls.

I'm glad those with a differing opinion are immediately voted down or whatever, but I think you should reconsider just how much the physical delivery of a game can also serve as an excuse to avoid quality game content. Did Gyromite even have as complex of a storyline as the rest of the early Nintendo games, or was it an excuse to use that damned robot? When you add x to a game, where x is some crazy hardware interface gimmick, then a substantial part of the game becomes the method by which x is implemented. This game is just like every other shooter, except this time the gun is a remote!
See, here's a conversation that people didn't have in a development meeting:

A: I have an awesome idea for a game, but it's vital to the plot that (the guy charges his gun by being in the sunlight, Pikachu finds out what to do because you talk to him, Link swings a sword wielded by the player). What am I going to do?
B: I don't know...you're hands are kind of tied. I guess we could talk to the guys in R & D, and see if they could whip up some kind of (solar-receptor for a GBA game, microphone for whatever system that pikachu game was on, Wiimote).
A: Hmm...that just might work! At last, my creative vision will be fulfilled!

Games follow hardware, and hardware follows people who care more about how a game is played than specifically what the game entails.

The Wii, as nice as it is, is a gimmick system. It is a gimmick system because there are no games that require, by virtue of some element of their storyline or mechanics, that motion control madness to make them go. The games have been built gimmick first, and hardcore gamers are tossed a bone with regular controls.

no Wii Motion Plus support ?? whatever I'll find a style I like.

I really am getting frustrated with Fanboys who are READY TO HATE A GAME.

It has options, they hate it. It doesn't have options they hate it. no wonder nintendo is courting the casual market they don't bitch and cry about everything and they just enjoy the game.

@maduin.

Wow. You are unbelievable. I'm a racist? Just wow.

I own a Wii, as I mentioned in one of the posts that's since been voted down for "trolling". I've had it since launch. I have a number of Wii, WiiWare, and VC games for it. I was really excited about it. But, now that I've had it for 2 years, the honeymoon's over. The motion sensor mechanic is not all it's cracked up to be.

Why do you think the nunchuck was invented in the first place? TO MAKE THE WIIMOTE MORE LIKE AN ANALOG CONTROLLER.

Every game that's been mentioned that makes it out that the WIimote is the One and True King of control schemes could be played with a GameCube controller.

I'm sorry I've taken everyone away from the time normally allotted to polishing their golden Miyamoto statues to call me a troll. I guess calling someone a troll takes less effort and is more socially acceptable than ignoring a comment you don't agree with.

@maduin.

Wow. You are unbelievable. I'm a racist? Glad to see the public school system is paying off.

I own a Wii, as I mentioned in one of the posts that's since been voted down for "trolling". I've had it since launch. I have a number of Wii, WiiWare, and VC games for it. I was really excited about it. But, now that I've had it for 2 years, the honeymoon's over. The motion sensor mechanic is not all it's cracked up to be. Why do you think the nunchuck was invented in the first place? TO MAKE THE WIIMOTE MORE LIKE AN ANALOG CONTROLLER.

I understand that Nintendo wants to make money and will do so however they see fit. However, it's a bit more blatant

I'm sorry I've taken everyone away from the time normally allotted to polishing their golden Miyamoto statues to call me a troll. I'm sorry I've voiced an opinion about something. I guess I better go burn a copy of the Constitution becasue it's

It might behoove us at this point to remind ourselves about the difference between the word "gimmick" and the word "technology." A piece of technology generally serves some basic purpose or acts as an expedient somehow, usually people see it as worthwhile or valuable. A gimmick is a thing (broadly defined, it might be a piece of tech or an actual technique) that is unnecessary, and usually just serves the purpose of tricking people (usually out of their money). Under no reasonable definition is the automobile a gimmick. You might make the case that a stretch hummer is a gimmicky automobile, or that a laptop computer in your glove box is a gimmick, but the automobile is about as much of a gimmick as the wheel or the scythe or the chipped flint knife.
The problem with gimmicks is that they're determined subjectively, and usually only with the passage of time. Any piece of technology could be a potential gimmick, if it isn't used for anything substantial. Now that the early nineties are over, it's pretty clear that the Virtual Boy was just a gimmick. Everything I know about chemistry leads me to believe that Nitrogen gas-filled tires are a gimmick; either that or the way they're marketed is dumbed down to the point of being misleading. Is the Wii, with its motion-tracking controller, a gimmick? Not necessarily--but it's been used for a lot of shoddy, gimmicky games.
I'll certainly agree that being able to throw a punch, ride a snow board, or aim a gun with IR-tracked motion control is neat. Boom Blox was a helluva lot of fun. My real objection to the Wii library is that the actual games we're getting with Motion Control are more like board games or old-school arcade games than the flagship titles of the last generation. There's a lack of storyline and depth to them, and that makes them feel more like empty displays of technology than actual, full-fledged games. It makes the Wiimote feel more like a peripheral than an integral part of the system.
Some gamers are looking for things like depth, character, and good storytelling in their video games. Until the Wiimote is incorporated in a meaningful way into titles that exhibit those characteristics, it's always going to feel more like a peripheral than a vital part of the system to those people. And when I go to the store to buy an X-Box 360 or a PS3 so that I can pick up RE5, the ease with which I can replay RE4 on my Wii is going to offer very little comfort indeed.

Got it. Video game control scheme is not all it's cracked up to be = black people are bad. You should write for the SAT's! That would probably cut into your FBI profiling time though. Having all my comments met with "You're stupid, stupid. Stop being so stupid, stupid. Why don't you have any self-esteem you stupid racist?" is a bit much.

Also, I understand that Boktai was not made by Nintendo, I was just making a point about gimmicks for the sake of being gimmicks. They could have easily used a clock system in the game to mimic when the sun was out or whatever.

Back to the topic at hand, using the DS as an example, how many games were stylus-crazy when the system was first released? Now, compare that to how the DS is now. Not so much, right? While a game like Trauma Center is awesome center is great with a stylus, many other games don't really need that as an interface type. Most of the games now take advantage of the dual screen aspect much moreso than the stylus aspect. However, when the DS was announced, it was "Stylus! Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! *mumble Also, two screens.mumble"

I am of the opinoin, that once the Wii pushes through the "innovation for the sake of innovation" phase, and puts out some solid FPS's, the Wii will really come into it's own.

My point in the beginning was that I think it's silly that they are going back to standard controls on a system that was supposed to be all about moving away from standard controls. I'm sorry if I pissed in everyone's Wheaties.

I think having control options is a good thing, and I especially understand Nintendo making an NES-like scheme available for Punch-Out Purists. The problem here isn't that motion control's not mandatory, but that the motion control in this game is lame. If you read the full press release, there's a line that reads "you can control hooks and jabs by combining motion control with control-stick movement". That means instead of pressing the 1 or 2 button to punch, you shake the Wiimote or Nunchuck, and use the control stick as a modifier. How is this supposed to be impressive? They could have done this (using a two-piece NES controller containing a couple simple mechanical switches) for dirt cheap over 20 years ago!

This isn't new, Wii music uses similar controls, and it seems almost an admission from Nintendo that the Wii's motion control (not to say IR pointing or tilt steering) is broken. Before Wii came out, ads showed things like immersive swordfighting that proved to be impossible with the Wiimote, since with only linear accelerometers and no accurate rotation sensing, it's missing half the tech needed for full-fledged motion control. Nintendo knew this, but decided to leave out gyroscopic tech until it was cheap enough for their desired profit margin. This may have boosted profits, but it also gave rise to "waggle", or just shaking the remote like crazy to do stuff because it can't recognize actions properly, and has given some people a low opinion of motion control.

Fortunately, Motion Plus looks to largely fix the problem, and will hopefully encourage innovation and give MoCon more of the respect it deserves, but it's crummy to see it coming years late and adding cost to an already overpriced system. Nintendo really needs to introduce a "Wii Remote Plus™" and make Motion Plus tech the new standard.

One last thing, a lot of people have called motion control (along with a touch screen) a gimmick, and there's truth in that. Thing is though, the word "gimmick" can also mean an ingenious innovation, as well as something done just to get attention, and I think the difference is in how well someone makes use of it. On the whole, I see it as more of the "ingenious innovation", and would be willing to bet that every future console will support it in some capacity.

I'm psyched for this I have a feeling Ninty will pull through for this one

Personally, i agree with cytorak

its nice that the wii is offering options to people who do not desire the standard control scheme, but thats not really the issue here.

major issue is that the WII's major selling point was its motion controls, and there are games that are being released that play very similarly to last gen games. So if we arent getting those games that utilizes those revolutionary controls them how can the people with those expectations justify the purchase of the system.

aside from the emulation(assuming people don't use them on the PC or homebrew already) why should anyone go from PS2/GC ~> Wii if all its gonna do is port games with optional motion control instead of making full blown original games that take advantage of the feature?