Alert to all Jerks: Valve to rate Team Fortress 2 servers

I have yet to be able to play L4D online because of this, Luckily I have friends who play PC games and we get 4 player LAN action going but since the games release (or maybe earlier, I pre-ordered it, did pre-orders get it early? I don't remember) I have yet to be able to connect to a single playable server, every other game I own works FINE online, but L4D is laggy beyond playable every time.

Easy way to stop that is to log the Steam ID, so no one person can do that repeatedly.

Who cares about you? You have the 360 version.

I payed for the game just like everyone else and I want the free DLC that everyone on PC is getting. There is nothing wrong with that.

So THATS what that bullshit is. I just started playing tf2 again about 3 weeks ago and thought it was a bug.

Not a bug, it's arseholes with modified servers. Valve couldn't just de-list modded servers, as there are a lot that ran tweaked games legitimately. I always take the time to fav good servers and take note of bull-shitters.

Oh this is going to kill those servers, because I know the way some of them work is when the server is empty it fills it up with bots (usually 31/32, 15/16, you get it) and then once you join it kicks all the bots, If bots count as people joining/leaving they are really screwed! I don't really get the point of this, so they got ONE person to join, who is probably going to immediately leave. Are they making money off this or something? I can't see any ads because I have a ton of ad servers blocked from the hosts file so they can shove their ad revenue up their ass if that's the case.

You mean your 60 dollars spent on the Orange Box, and you're complaining about the value you got from it...

Yes it sucks that the consoles havn't gotten the updates yet but you've still received an amazing deal and heaps of content in what you bought.

im not saying anything bad about the orange box, i still play team fortress, and i've played the half-life and portal games more than once. I'm just getting pissed that i keep seeing all these updates for the pc coming, and it's been over a year now and still nothing for the 360.

so like i said, just give me some kind of news that they're still working on it, some glimmer of hope, that's all

if you are that disappointed, sell the 360 version, get a 360 wireless controller adapter, and buy it on PC(i got it for $40)

@Spike
Some people have crappy PCs, like me, but happen to own a 360.

I really wish I knew all the behind-the-scenes work going on the 360 update, so then I could direct my frustration to the offending party.

Chances are, being Valve, they've taken this into consideration.

Oh, probably, but the system still seems fundamentally flawed to me, even if the exploitation factor is eliminated.

I think the system is more designed to weed out the servers with false player counts etc.
Which is a pretty annoying trick.

Steam accounts have SteamIDs. They're sort of like IP addresses, but you can't change them--they're tied to your account. I'm sure Valve have made it so that they will only record a certain amount of data per SteamID; also, SteamIDs that repeatedly join and leave a server will probably stop having its data collected for that particular server.

Dude, it's Valve.

You should know that they have a habit of releasing buggy half-assed broken ideas that everybody hates, before polishing them into absolute perfection through the process of trial and error.

It happened with Steam, it happened to most TF2 class updates and it's currently happening to Left 4 Dead, so personally I'm ignoring the negative criticism and any flaws I can see because I know for a fact that each last damn person won't shut up about how great the system is twelve months from now on.

This is Valve they born with the Computer Wiz Perk.Also they are the kind of people that updates and patches stuff to make it work unlike you know everybody else.

Whereas the PC version gets updated nearly once a week.
Even some of their older titles get nice twice a year updates.

So I would guess that as Valve is quiet capable of updating games and supporting them rather well on the PC, that maybe it's your platform makers of choice fault at sticking in strict guidelines designed to squeeze cash from every orifice.
MY guess might be that Valve are attempting to push MS into a bit of a corner into providing 360 owners with a more PC like gaming experience, ie a better one.

Oh n Gabe Newell isn't a fan of consoles, that should always be factored into why Valve don't do interesting stuff for consoles.

Gabe N is quite happy to take our money though...
Oh yes.

Fat bastard.

If you join an empty server that's falsely advertised as having a lot of players, you aren't going to stick around and wait for it to actually fill up. Thus the server loses points. A large number of people do that over time because the server is *still* empty and it ends up with a very low score.

That's what they're talking about.

32 player servers are crap.
insta respawn? crap.
losers with soundboards? crap.

Real man play in 24 / default respawn time servers.

@CrabBattle:
In that case, I am not a real man.

Playing will less people is always so fun.
Instant respawn makes the game move a lot faster.
F10 for mute menu.

Granted, the game engine is not built for more than twenty-four players, but who cares?

The horizontal axis represents the spectrum of servers. It doesn't have individual notches of course, because there are so many of them.
It's a little confusing because the horizontal axis is often used to describe change over instances of time, but this is a visual description of the quality of a population of servers, ordered by score so that they form a curve.

The black curve, moving from left to right, describes the quality of servers, from best to worst (under the rules they've developed). As explained in the article, servers lose points (15) when a player joins, and earn them back for time (1 point/min) that the player spends on the server. If a server has a high rate of connections, but a poor rate of retention, it's score will become dragged down. Conversely, if it has a high rate of retention, it's score will shoot up. If a player joins and leaves in under 15 minutes, this will result in a net loss of points for the server. As you can see on the right, if this happens often enough a server will dip below the 0, into negative scores. A low rate of retention also allows for a high rate of connections (free slots opening up all the time), meaning a server will drown into negative scores if it's bad, which is what is inferred by the orange bar. The purple line represents rate of connections to servers, with the best and the worst servers having a high rate of connections (people queue up for the best, there are always new slots opening up for the worst. :P)

i care

and fuck you for calling me an idiot for having a personal preference on what system I like to play

The point is (albeit rather bluntly made) that this isn't the thread. You have been down-voted multiple times for a reason. It has been made clear, time and time again, that valve will not give the 360 as much attention as PC, just like [Generic Xbox Dev] won't give PC attention. Spamming "Give us teh updatez" on any thread with the words "Team," "Fortress," and "Two" won't give your argument any more attention than it already has.

i understand that, but
1. this is the first time i've posted anything about tf2 on this site.
2. i hate when you pc players act like you're superior than players that enjoy consoles more than spending $1000's on pc shit that gets outdated 6 months later
3. i don't really care about the whole down voting thing what ever the hell that means

No, it's because it's the SAME DAMN REPLY every whiner makes, every time they are challenged. It'll be about money or that they like having to take several seconds to turn around to face whoever is shooting them. Here's the counter points you will ignore becuase you're an annoying whiny twat!

- It doesn't cost that much to get your PC to run TF2.

- You can use a pad on the PC version, if you like having your arse handed to you.

@Poisoned AI
Can you point me towards the PC section of Joystiq?

from Poisoned Al "I don't care if you're poor, or an idiot who thinks FPS games are better with a pad. SHUT UP!"

from deanb "providing 360 owners with a more PC like gaming experience, ie a better one"

how is that not being a bit snobbish

I don't think this system would work for L4D. People don't necessarily leave a server because it's bad. They usually leave a server because their team is getting stomped into the ground. Rage quitters would throw the whole thing off. The lobby picks the server anyway. Not the players. You're right about a lot of servers sucking though. Bad ping and crazy settings. They definitely need to do something. Maybe they could rank the servers by how many times a "Return to Lobby" vote passes.