Oh, Aaron Greenberg: PS3 'hemorrhaging at retail,' GTA IV DLC would have beaten Killzone 2 at retail

banned for flaming!??!?

Where has THIS guy been the last 6 months???

at any rate I have to say I expected this at this point from Greenberg. hate it if his employers start hemorrhaging more jobs and his is one of them.

For him to say that GTA4 DLC would have outsold KZ2 if it was released in stores is a mute point considering its cheaper and had a few weeks more to sell than KZ2. Cocky mofos always get whats coming to them.

EDIT: Removed some "call-outs," if you will (and I will). No need to point fingers, folks. Policing is most certainly taking place though. BUT I CAN'T DO IT ALONE! I need your help in reporting people, voting them down, and, most importantly, IGNORING FLAMING AND TROLLING! If all else fails, email me personal: ben@joystiq.com I read every single one. I promise.

Luke! Great pic. haha

I love when Greenberg talks mess. That's his job. At least MSFT gives him the reins to do this. I don't know if it REALLY benefits anything, but it makes for fun PR spin.

Aren't we reaching that point in our culture where we band together (PS3 & 360 fans alike) and drag someone out into the street and beat them for corporate gloating? I hope so, because this guy's going to require some co-operation.

Yeah, like we needed to be told Sony is losing money badly on the PS3.

Math time!

Xbox sells 500000 a month at $200 and PS3 sells 300000 a month at $400.

Guess who has the higher Gross Revenue.

(We cant discuss Net incomes, neither company will EVER give real facts regarding profitability.)

EDIT: If we can't discuss net incomes, then we aren't discussing real numbers. Careful on comments like this as they inspire some seriously insipid responses.

This is fun to watch--but, I thought I'd mention that my 360 is actually functioning just fine. I play games on it often. It sounds as though the perception of some PS3 fans is that the 360 is constantly malfunctioning. It's not a red-ring machine. It mostly just plays games.

eh this happens every month. new numbers come out, replies are made, gamers stand tall behind their respective consoles, flame wars ensue.

correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the GTA IV DLC sold at retailers? Or did I just make up seeing that box when i picked up my copy of Killzone 2?

man this is what i hate about xbox this gen there so cocky but o well i dont really care i own both ps3 and xbox 360 so i get best of both worlds but with this guy running his mouth there's an old saying that comes to mind.
he who laughs last laughs best.
i aint counting sony out just yet.

Being an owner of all three consoles it's stuff like this that really puzzles me. Let me prove a point to everyone. It's not the hardware that's the real draw here it's the software.
Fanboys are a very fickle and very strange lot. Why do they exist? It's because they don't have lives. Greenberg is a paid fanboy so his inflamatory statements are a result of his employer's paycheck to him.

Not more than 4 or 5 years ago the PS2 was the dominant console. Why? Because they had most if not all the exclusives. The first Xbox couldn't even compete. Fast forward to today and now the Xbox 360 has acquired quite a number of system exclusives since it's release. They were first on the market so they've had plenty of time to work on getting more viable content for their system. Sony had a late start by 1 year. They've also lost many of their exclusive franchise titles because developers and publishers are finding that they make more money by spreading the distribution of their games across platforms. They (publishers and developers) realized that in the end no matter what console was top in the market their games would sell because it is also available on that console whether it was first or last place on the market. The real battle here is in the software. Any true gamer would realize that. It's not about which console is better made or has more features. If the 360 didn't have all the exclusives it does most people would probaby ignore it let alone even buy it. I bet if you were to put all of the original exclusives Sony had with the PS2 back to that same status with PS3 there would be no question that people would flock over to the PS3's side. Losing exclusives like Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy XIII, Grand Theft Auto I'm sure have been major blows to Sony's viability in the market. Grand Theft Auto alone would probably move a lot of systems if it was only available on the PS3 like most of the original GTA's were on the PS2 when they first released.

Fanboys don't or won't see this when they argue their empty cases against any console no matter which they favor. As for this Aaron Greenberg character he's doing what he gets paid to do, MARKET. Sometimes marketers don't always now how to sell their wares or make a viable or valid point. They are there to sell you an idea. They're the bull horns that go off in the distance telling you about what they've got to offer. Of course they're not going to tell you all the negative aspects about their products. If they did would you buy their products?

And as a challenge to all you fanboys out there. And answer honestly please. If your system didn't have all the games you like to play would you support it? And since many of you are so quick to point out that you're willing to spend hundreds of dollars continually replacing crappy hardware how do you back up the argumet that the other systems are too expensive to afford when you've probably spent 3 or 4 times the amount of money you would have just on replacing a poorly made piece of hardware? Explain to me the logic in that then perhaps you will convince me. Instead of making stupid flame war arguments why not go out and get the other consoles? Enjoy the games each system has to offer and maybe just maybe we can all get back to actually talking about games rather than who's system is better than everyone else's.

I originally thought Greenberg was flashing a gang sign... then I realised he's holding a clear glass.

Poetic language aside, the PS3 is definitely highlighting some problems. Its hard to argue with the consistent year-over-year decline, but the declines are hard to explain. PS3 was gaining ground against 360 this time last year. Certainly the 360 cut explains their sales surge, but are they really so substitutable to be accountable for the PS3's year-over-year declines?

Bit childish really...

Can't we all just be friends lol

1. GTA DLC was available at retail. Anyone remember the boxes they had with codes in them. No excuse there.

2. Sony does poor advertising when it comes to their games. They also need to pick up more third party ads. Resident evil 5 and GTA only show 360. They only one i have ever seen just do playstation was Star Wars TFU.

@Ben Gilbert

That's exactly my point. If you like your respective console great! And I agree with you that it's futile to argue the merits of owning one over the other. Everyone's got their own tastes in games. For some people Xbox has most of the games they want to play for others it's the PS3 or Wii.

As much as I know you try to avoid flame wars on here posting an article like this is just like throwing a gasoline soaked piece of firewood into the furnace. You're gonna get fanboys inciting their silly little flame war over all of this. I'm sure Mr. Greenberg made those comments without thinking it through first. What does it all boil down to here? We're no longer focusing on the quality of the software coming out it's the bottom line that everything is being measured by. With the state of the economy it's understandable that everyone is going to talk about profitability and money.

@akamagi

"I don't hesitate to complain about the company that made the decisions that created a system I don't want or need at a price I wouldn't be willing to pay even if I did."

"I've have 2 Xbox 360's, one since launch"

Why would you spend another $200+ for a second Xbox? So you're saying that you were willing to pay for 2 Xboxes because it had all the games you want on it. You've got one. Isn't that enough? So let me figure that out for a second. You say you have a launch 360 and a second one which I'm assuming you bought when the newer Xboxes came out. If you have a launch one I'm assuming you paid for the premium version which was $400 at launch. Assuming you bought a second one more recently let's just say for argument's sake you bought the bare bones arcade 360 at $200 bucks. You spent at least $600 dollars on two of the same system. You were willing to invest in two Xboxes (which at the least totals the launch price of the PS3) because it has what you want then turn around and say "a price I wouldn't be willing to pay even if I did." about the PS3. Which in this case for argument's sake if the PS3 had more or all of the games you were interested in and the Xbox didn't you still wouldn't be willing to pay the $500-600 to own the PS3 (which you have at least spent on the two Xboxes combined already). Yes the PS3 is still pricey but it isn't at the $600 dollar range it was at its launch. And I agree that if the PS3 were cheaper I'm sure more people would buy it who are interested. What really bothers me are those who complain about price then turn around and brag about having 2 to 3 or more Xboxes.There's where the logic flies out the window with the price argument. The fanboyism is what I don't get. Obviously if these people had the money to get multiple Xboxes they had more than enough money to adopt a PS3 and a Wii as well. Those people aren't willing to try the other systems because they have some twisted sense of loyalty to only one product. And to argue that the PS3 doesn't have quality titles on it is as ridiculous as arguing that the 360 doesn't have quality titles on it either.There's something for everyone on both systems but you'll only know that if you look for them and try them out. As for the Wii we don't need to argue about that. Nintendo is still laughing every time it has to go to the bank.

I love my 360 Elite and my PS3 as well as my Wii. Since I personally like different types of games I want to be able to experience what each system has to offer because that's the fun of it. I never want to miss out on a great gaming experience no matter what system it's for. Let's just face it, gaming is an expensive hobby folks. There's no way around it. I'll be a little more gun shy when the next generation rolls around. I didn't buy a 360 until the Elite first came out. I waited to get a PS3 until the games that I wanted to play popped up on it a year later after its launch. It is all about the games not the machine. I don't know why more people don't see that.

Listen all PS3 owners. I admit the PS3 is not perfect. I have a few doubts myself. But don't listen to the trolls. Don't listen to Microsoft or Nintendo. Don't listen to the idiots on forums. We all know that Sony has had and made good games and Killzone 2 is proof that Sony can make great games right up there with the best of them.Don't play Sony games while still comparing it to other games. Killzone is not Halo or Gears of War. Ratchet and Clank is not Mario. Killzone is Killzone and Ratchet is Ratchet.
One of the main reasons the Sony is always under fire is because at the moment it is in third place and an easy target. People purposely ignore the stupid things Microsoft and Nintendo do. People ignored the "Red ring" problem and the Disc scratching problem that the Xbox 360 even though the PS3 had almost zero hardware problems. Everyone ignores the fact that Nintendo's third party games barely sell much units compared to so many games or that it gets passed on for so many major games while the PS3 still gets the things that Microsoft has. Don't let Aaron Greenberg make you doubt.

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ben thats luke smith omg dont you know anythin!