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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 11:42AM Gun Barrier said

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I'll just wait for halo 3 : odst to get the maps i am missing.

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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 11:48AM (Unverified) said

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What is this killballs you speak of? And why does it sound painful?
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 11:53AM TheDarkWayne said

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on one of the maps, sandbox, there are orange colored energy balls that kills anyone they come in contact with. It's only in forge mode which also adds a gravity hammer golf club and a ball to hit
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:30PM (Unverified) said

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I know, that was just a lame attempt at humor.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 3:45PM (Unverified) said

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And people bitch about 800 points for gears maps...
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 5:17PM Premature ejaculation man said

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The difference is that Halo 3 maps actually have more use. Between the amount of varients available in Halo and the amount of playability options in Forge, one can (kinda) justify the price of these maps.

Gears of War 2 maps though...I don't see much value in them at all.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 11:51AM (Unverified) said

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It's a shame that Halo is wank.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 11:57AM dmbrandon said

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I thought it said 9,800 points. I was like, damn, they really want me to buy HaloWars.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:05PM Ample Salty said

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It's over 9000!
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:07PM shadow I reaper said

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Haha! I thought that too for a second
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:36PM jhowlett said

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they should add a "th" so it reads april 9th, 800
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 11:52AM (Unverified) said

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800 points for three maps? To think that Braid was available for that price a few weeks ago.

Shame on you, Bungie.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:00PM (Unverified) said

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Damn, my e-mail address is visible. That'll teach me to fill in the correct fields.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:03PM TheDarkWayne said

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while it doesn't count for much since it's still one map. Sandbox is actually sorta like 3 maps in one, at least for custom games after you forge it. If you remove the center structure there's an area underneath the size of Foundry, and there's an area far above the map you can reach through a teleporter somewhere on the map that takes you to a forgeable area almost 3x as big as the regular map
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:05PM (Unverified) said

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M$ dictates DLC release dates and price points for Halo 3 and other IPs they own.
Shame on M$, yes.
And shame on you for speaking so assuredly when you're clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:06PM (Unverified) said

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I would not have pointed that out if I were you.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:10PM (Unverified) said

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Three maps for 800, no matter how overpriced, is a standard. Infinity Ward did it, Epic did it, everyone is doing it.

I think someone else is to blame. The devs are cold soulless greedy corporations and it's pretty obvious that they won't bother making extra 2 or 4 maps if the sheep demographic is willing to pay $10 for three maps only. So how about we shame the stupid customers who are willing to pay for this crap because it's "only ten bucks"?

Reminds me of a scene in Sam and Max where after you have a go at Bosco for selling you really overpriced crap he correctly points out that you are the fool who keeps buying it.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:11PM DavidO said

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God forbid people make money for their work (rolls eyes)
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:17PM (Unverified) said

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As long as people keep buying it at that price, they'll keep selling it.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:21PM SpacePenguinBot said

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I think MS felt a little bit of pressure on the last map pack. They dropped the price from 800 down to 600 points, which they didn't do with the previous map pack. It could be to bring sales up before mythic comes out, or it might be a bid to keep from making it free on April 9th.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:52PM (Unverified) said

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Sir Buzz Killington,

Infinity ward released 4 maps for 800 points..............
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 11:55AM TheDarkWayne said

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So the other three come out with ODST right? Any news if they're gonna have a code in ODST for it or if it'll be XBLM? For that matter, if I were to just play ODST multi, since it's the same, will my stats from Halo 3 be carried over?
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:06PM Deezul AwT said

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ODST will have all the maps, Heroic, Legendary, Cold Storage, and Mythic.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:08PM TheDarkWayne said

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well that's good to hear, as long as stats from regular Halo 3 carry over.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:01PM (Unverified) said

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i will get this but i would love to get the ODST instead with the included maps. I love Gears2 but i rather get this Halo map pack instead as i feel the game is solid online. we had issues last night on Gears2 for a while until we selected player's choice thing. when Does ODST come out again? you guys think i need to be disc swapping or will they include a code to download the maps??
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:08PM Cube said

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Will the legendary maps be free?

If not, I'll wait and see if all the maps are included in OSTD and just get that if there's enough co-op content.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:48PM chex said

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OSTD? is that a new kind of awful STD? or did you incorrectly refer to ODST as OSTD?....
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:14PM bigE said

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So well the legendary map pack fall in price now? Even better if MS did a prom where if you buy the Mythic pack you get the Legendary... that way they might reduce the fracturing of the player base.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:23PM SpacePenguinBot said

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They already cut the price from 800 to 600 points. The question is, will they make it free when Legendary comes out?
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:21PM seanshooks said

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Anyone know if this means the Legendary Map Pack will be free now?
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:01PM x Prime x said

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it will never be free. stop being a cheap ass and buy them.

Bungie clearly said they won't be free.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:20PM (Unverified) said

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Brian, would you mind providing a link to where Bungie said Legendary wouldn't be free? I stopped following the Halo community once I COD4 came out and I saw how infinitely better it was. But through all that time, the one thing I appreciated about Bungie was what I assumed their stance on DLC was: that they would not punish their loyal fans indefinitely and would eventually make their DLC free as they did with Halo 2.

If they have since changed that stance, that makes me truly very sad. They're now no better than Infinity Ward or Epic (especially Epic, with their interesting stance of "on the consoles, we'll pretend we nevarevar believed in free bonus packs like on the PC, nor admit how we championed them").

Sigh, a previous commenter was spot on: if people wouldn't buy this nonsense, maybe we could get back to the old days of expansions and bonus packs for free, simply because it generated goodwill and more interest in products. Back before "DLC" was even a term.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 2:01PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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@abracadabra - I can't find a specific link but Bungie has mentioned multiple times in past weekly updates something along the lines of "At this time there are no plans to make Legendary free". That implies that at some point they *might* be free, but don't cross your fingers. Also, it's really Microsoft's call as they own the IP. I'd like to think that with ODST that Legendary will become free, but we'll see.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 3:03PM (Unverified) said

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Bungie have said that the Legendary map pack will NEVER be free.
Just look at some of the weekly updates a while ago

But don't blame Bungie, it is Microsoft who make the pricing decisions, Bungie have no say in it.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 3:46PM x Prime x said

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@abracadabra:

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=31466096

6th post:

"The situation has not changed. There is no plan to release the Legendary Map Pack for free, ever."

Note: Shishka works for bungie

End of.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 6:04PM Snowblind said

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ODST comes with EVERY map pack, including the Legendary one. So even though I play Halo a lot, I personally don't see any reason to buy these, I'd rather wait, even if it means I can't get into certain playlists for a little while.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 6:47PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for the clarification guys.

Shame about that.

Also, for the record, I just want to note that I wasn't trying to be a troll or inflammatory at all. As I said, I stopped following Bungie and Halo some time ago when I found better things to play, but they always occupied a warm spot in my heart for their stance on DLC. Sadly, it looks like they've changed that as well.

And while you (343, Xiphias) are probably right about the current situation re: who is in charge of content pricing, I was basing my statements on their policy with Halo 2 and the first DLC for Halo 3. I have no objections to having the early adopters fund the work, I just like that Bungie eventually saw to it that all content back then became free. (And if I recall correctly, wasn't one of the Halo 2 map packs free by default? That was so very long ago...)

Certainly now that Bungie is free from Microsoft, I suppose I can't hold them particularly accountable for this decision. Maybe in the future they'll go back to the goodwill method of content packs. I can only hope, I suppose. Although it is worth mentioning that (Braid, for example) developers _have_ been able to flex their muscle and influence MS's price points for content. So it might be slightly incorrect to say MS has sole control over pricing? Although in the case of Halo, since they own the IP, I suppose that's a true statement.

Anyway, sigh. Another example of nickle-and-diming instead of using on goodwill to drive up sales. I fear for the day when the DLC culture so thoroughly infects my PC as well. :(
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:37PM ummhello said

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I was going to wait for Halo: ODST but picked up a copy of LCE for HaloWars, which I don't regret. New maps are great, although I wish there were more map variants for SandTrap for regular matchmaking.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:24PM SpacePenguinBot said

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Sandbox?
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Posted: Mar 24th 2009 8:45AM ummhello said

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yeah, that map too. ;)
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 12:41PM (Unverified) said

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Mickey-Mouse points for the win.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:18PM (Unverified) said

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All maps will probably be included in LCE Halo ODST
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 2:18PM x Prime x said

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LCE?

No. All the maps are included in the normal edition of ODST
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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Oop's. I read this in my RSS feed wrong as "Halo 3 Mythic map pack Releases April, 9,800points.
Which works out at just short of £80 or $120.
And is the map in the image a Forge type map or something?
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 2:19PM x Prime x said

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its a image of the skybubble in sandbox.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 2:07PM (Unverified) said

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For the people asking: ODST's multiplayer IS Halo 3's multiplayer. It will have all the maps on the disc, including the ones that shipped with Halo 3 as well as all the DLC.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 3:38PM SitriStahl said

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but will i be able to play cross-game(H3/ODST)
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 2:15PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah !!! More DLC that's not worth it !! 3 maps for $10 !! what a bargain
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 2:18PM x Prime x said

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I got them via Halo Wars and trust me, they are worth $10. oh boy they are fantastic.
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Posted: Mar 23rd 2009 2:28PM (Unverified) said

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People who purchased the alt costumes for sfiv also said it's worth every penny :P
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