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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 3:43AM (Unverified) said

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T his site is so wonderful site

Posted: Apr 9th 2009 7:50AM MRB1G said

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from the second i heard of the game i knew this would happen...

Posted: Apr 9th 2009 12:18PM DavidChampion said

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So endlessly making games about WW2 or any other Battles/Wars that are based on actual events is okay? I would think making a game or movie about an actual event makes it History and we shouldn't for get our History.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 7:39AM amnesia said

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Using a black guy for a boxing game is Racism!
Using Black Zombies is Racism!
Using Penises with tiny eyes and tiny feet that attack vaginas is Racism!

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 7:56AM amnesia said

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Why do posts that I posted months ago appear on future threads?

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 7:58AM (Unverified) said

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well this WAS a pretty bad idea

Posted: Apr 9th 2009 1:00AM (Unverified) said

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It only is stirring a shit storm because morons want to use this game for their political agenda.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 8:02AM Johnny Locke said

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Its really the same as making world war 2 games, so i dont see the problem here, people died in world war 2, and that hasnt stunted releases of cod games.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 8:49AM (Unverified) said

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Definitely controversial I think and I won't buy this one. But I don't mind if others do, this is just my opinion.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 8:59AM mikeisgo said

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Xav, I must say well done and very objective piece. I'm interested to see more about this game. At first glance I just can't bring myself to take it as seriously as something like the Black Hawk Down novel, later turned movie, that was begun as a series of articles in the Philadelphia Inquirer. We shall see though, if somehow they pull off the reverence for the subject matter into a game, I commend them. My fear is that it'll just be another shooter with the backdrop of an extremely controversial event. Even if the developer doesn't intend this to be a publicity stunt, it sure seems like one (And I don't have faith that Konami as publisher won't use it like one)

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 9:00AM ferid said

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If the game successfully shows all sides of the conflict, not just a shallow US. army killing insurgency and ignoring Iraqi citizens in the middle, the game can deliver something far better what news or even movies made so far on the current conflict here in Iraq.
and am so excited that a Konami is working on such game rather than American one, since Japanese are far better with making realistic touching stories.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:00AM osirus824 said

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I hope you're right. That would be a great game.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 9:37AM Johnny Neat said

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The response should and was expected I'm sure. Saying that I for one have been waiting for a film or documentary to expose and inform us further on the events there. If it's a war game not a difference to me. I feel they, the game's makers, should create a fund for war veterans that fought there and their families for mental, medical and financial support as they will be making tons of money off of their grief. I remember when Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, Hamburger Hill and Private Ryan for examples were shown and their was heat on them but here they are and what has changed? War games like the Call of Duty series which exploit and showcase wars of old get past the grief because most vets of that time have passed or don't care about hearing about that time being depicted and we have those games nonetheless. So in the end of my rant I just want to say that the game should be allowed to be made and actions should be taken seriously and appropriately in a kind and caring manner for those involved and those effected by the events. It's only right.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 9:59AM mackswift said

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This Game is no different than the movies Saving Private Ryan or Blackhawk Down, or the book Blackhawk Down or the book and movie We Soldiers Once and Young.

All this is is a different medium with which to tell the story.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 10:58AM osirus824 said

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It's very different, not because of the nature of the medium, but the history of it. The fact of the matter is that games, more often than not, put a gun in your hands without ever challenging you to question it, morally or intellectually. You simply cannot get away with making a war film with that sort of emotionally stilted approach (Quentin Tarantino, aside).

If the developers challenge themselves to make a great game, overcoming this is possible. But, let's honest here... this is going to be a Call of Duty clone, not the next leap forward for the medium.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2009 1:12AM (Unverified) said

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That's exactly how I view this game but osirus does have a point. The fact that video games have been used as a political football in the past makes this game, especially because of it's subject matter, susceptible to criticism.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:10AM iceveiled said

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I hope the developers don't fold under the pressure. I'm really interested in this game.

If all the overly politically correct jerks don't like it, don't play it! WHAT A CONCEPT!

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:25AM TheBlahMasta said

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If every game put out was analyzed, most, if not all, would have some type of Political Debate in it. What is the gaming industry going to do then? Put out games about the stages of Butterfly life? Game developers are like artists: They get their inspiration from something and go on from there. If they want to make a game about a war or an Operation that had taken place, just let them. The only thing that I would put my foot down against is if they had taken the concept WAY over-board and made their "inspiration" into a complete lie. I say that everyone just needs to leave the gaming industry alone about something "controversial", as long as they aren't blowing it out of proportion. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to learn how a butterfly grows up through an interactive experience...

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 7:26PM (Unverified) said

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I want Konami to show the war from another point of view, like they did in MGS4.
I want them to glorifie the fact that a war is never the good answer. We see war games all the time that glorifie war, with band of brother, medal of honor, and i want a game that glorifie peace in a game that show the horror of a war.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:34AM joeboosauce said

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This is FAR different from WWII games or any other conflict. The US is waging war upon a CIVILIAN POPULATION. There is no organized army. And neither is there a supposed terrorist organization made up of foreign fighters predominantly. They are mostly local Iraqis who are ENTITLED to the right of self-determination. Sound familiar? American Revolution? Hear of that?

Just look at the various studies of Iraqi death tolls. Low end 100K and high end 1.5 Million.:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/uk-poll-consistent-with-1_b_64475.html
And then take into the controversy over the the massacre of civilians in Fallujah? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah,_The_Hidden_Massacre
WHAT KIND OF SICK F##KS ARE YOU who want to MURDER innocent civilians? Yes, the US will always label everyone they can as "insurgent," "extremist," "terrorist," etc to HIDE the innocent casualties. Need I remind you of Abu Ghraib? Oh yeah, the American memory is all of 5 minutes when it comes to real issues of importance, espeically one that causes suffering upon others. PATHETIC.

So, a war upon civilians and you COWARDS want to play GAMES with it. These are considered WAR CRIMES. And just as in Nuremberg when the concept of war crimes were established, the people, rightly so, who orchestrated these were hung DEAD. And as such, we should adhere to law unless we want to look like the hypocrites we are and punish those who orchestrated the this illegal invasion rife with torture, occupation, and murder. In the same was as Nuremberg. Unless, we Americans want to look like the hypocrites we are. Americans really believe in more than anything in American exceptionalism. We are above all laws...

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:45AM (Unverified) said

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I like how you think your better than everyone else. it must be a real turn on in bed.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 12:12PM joeboosauce said

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Brilliant rebuttal welodog! BRILLIANT!!! No, I am not better. But obviously from the depth of your argument, I can THINK better than you. I have no qualms in pointing out that.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2009 1:06AM (Unverified) said

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You're right my Führer, the Americans are evil, sieg heil!

What's to rebuttal Imran, you're a giant fucking moron and everyone on this site knows it!
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Posted: Apr 9th 2009 10:43AM (Unverified) said

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Dude,

You're a bit misinformed. Just for the record, I was against this war from the get-go, back when everyone else (Democrats included) were all for it.

1. This is NOT the first time the US has waged war on a civilian population. Every hear of the War Between the States, aka the Civil War? Does Sherman's March to the Sea ring any bells? Oh wait, those were evil, redneck, homophobe, bigoted, racist Southerners, so that doesn't count. They deserved to die, unlike the Iraqi civilians, who are pure as the driven snow.

2. The city was held by a militia, which, although you are correct that it was not a uniformed army, was an armed, organized fighting force. You make it sound as if the city was being defended by children and old women.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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dang liberals, they know how to make you scared!*sarcasm*

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:48AM (Unverified) said

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Hey Xav your geography is a little off bro, Fallujah is not located in Central Baghdad.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 1:13PM Xav de Matos said

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There was a line in this piece originally that implied it was but it's supposed to be a relation of Fallujah happening during a surge of Central Baghdad. I'm aware Fallujah isn't IN Central Baghdad. That line was "stricken" hours ago, anyway so I don't see what you're referencing.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 2:25PM (Unverified) said

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Nothing, I was jumping on the bandwagon just to mess with ya. ;D
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 2:45PM Xav de Matos said

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o_O You win this round, sir.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:57AM LettucePrey said

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Insensitive and unecessary. Konami will not be getting any of my money for this drivel unless they come out publically and say that any and ALL proceeds from this game will go to veteran's charities. Greedy f**ks.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 3:09PM Mazrael said

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So from reading the comments here.. we'd be playing as US troops facing Iraqi unarmed civillians.. riiiight.. hardly one of the best ideas....

Maybe a game on the Somme..or the World War trenches, with the ingenious 'over the top' tactic.. which must of worked, so well in someone's mind, it was used repeatly...

Maybe one of Churchill's great plans.. to assault an island in brightest day, onto an open beach, leading upto a hill, which, if I remember right, had gun emplacements at the top, defending the hill.. as this was safer than approaching at night, on to a cliff side with good cover at the top..

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 3:14PM JoshMilewski said

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Konami can do whatever they want. That's their right.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 3:21PM (Unverified) said

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This is retarded. Hollywood is allowed to make money off of wars and no one cares, even when they put in their political two cents. But wars in video games are bad? A lot of historical games bring forth perspectives and facts that are never known until you play them. You're forced to pay more attention to it because it's interactive.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 3:24PM (Unverified) said

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wow, so indoctrinated, sad

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 5:52PM (Unverified) said

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Can we play as the insurgents who have to fight the invading foreigners? Then this game could be interesting.

Posted: Apr 8th 2009 11:06PM Caroso said

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I don't see a problem with this. Games are basically interactive book or movies. They tell you a story putting you in the shoes of someone who was there. If you looked past the mindless shooting of people in Call of Duty 4 you'd see it has a great story and visual effect that come together to bring it to life.

Some of you are just thinking this is going to be just another shooter but you fail to see that just because you have grown used to games being all about killing without a point doesn't mean a game can hold no ground.

I doubt any of you would be going against this if it was a book but once it turns into a game were you get to be in it then it's a bad thing just because you will be able to shoot people.

Posted: Apr 9th 2009 2:54AM (Unverified) said

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Dear Konami,
don't make this game. People don't play videogames to get the experience you are intending for them. (I wish that statement wasn't true, but let's face the facts, it is...)

Making this event into a game is going to make the entire gaming industry look worse than it already does to the media. The fact that the war isn't even over yet is enough to say that this is NOT a good idea.

Just imagine some 12 year old (I know it's probably M, but they get a hold of it anyway due to bad parenting) playing it, what do you think they will do? I'm not saying they will go to school with a gun, I NEVER blame school shootings on games, I'm just saying that they will skip all the cutscenes to kill people and not realise the personal attachment to "said" people in the game. They won't get it, and I think it might b safe to assume that 80% of your audience will not either.

Make something fun, not something that will haunt people.

Posted: Apr 9th 2009 2:54AM (Unverified) said

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I also want to say, Japanese Game Developer, butt out....

I don't mean to be racist with that statement, and if you mature up one second you may see the weirdness in it. I may be wrong, but they have NO personal connection to the event, who are they to presume that this will be an enticing game experience?

The idea seems ok to them because their neighbors weren't killed in this war.

This whole game idea doesn't sit well with me, and you would be a bit foolish to not atleast question is validity.

Posted: Apr 9th 2009 12:09PM (Unverified) said

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What if Konami made a game where you fly passenger planes into WTC to bring them down? Would you guys still consider the game an art medium that should be judged for its story and visual effects?

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