Sony: PS3 beating Xbox 360 in per-title attach rate

PEPSUBEEEEEEEEER!!!

This is nothing -- the F5 fuckers at Kotaku already crashed Gawker Media's servers.

Not to mention the shitty quality of games on the Wii...

It makes sense....

If I made my own console and sold it to myself, had Capcom port SF4 to my console and bought one for myself, it would mean 100% attach rate on 100% of the games sold on my console.... it a useless statistic for anyone other than the console maker though.

I really dislike the spin going on here by Sony Mr. Blue. Percentage wise means nothing compared to units sold since units sold equates to more profit, especially, if one is being manufactuered on cheaper DVD9s versus more cost-expensive blu-ray discs.

Its like a mcdonalds employee saying "I got a raise of $1.00 an hour this year! Yes, sir! I'm moving up to the top! I'm now making 13% more money this next year than I made last! I OWNED my parents. They only got a 5% raise. I'm so going to overtake them!"

and his friend responding, "But dude, your parents make $60,000 a year more than you...EACH",

"But I win in percent increase! It's only a matter of time working at McDonalds till that $60,000 gap closes!"

The actual important data given here is that xbox 360 makes more more for multiplatform games than the PS3. Since 446,435 games sold at equal price is more profit than 402,919, especially if the medium the 446,435 were printed on were cheaper or if the system was easier to program for and took less time to create the game on.

Wes its not spin its pure statistical analysis.

Sony published this in response to Aaron Greenberg. Aaron Greenberg is a Microsoft exec that is full of hot air.

It was in response to:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22833

You want spin ?

Aaron Greenberg states in that article:

Greenberg did not reveal specific numbers, but did reiterate that it was "the most successful game add-on content we've ever launched."
"If that content was sold at retail, it would be one of the best sellers across all platforms," he added. "It would have outsold Killzone 2."

Gamasutra, then add this fact:
(Guerrilla Games' PlayStation 3-exclusive Killzone 2 sold 323,000 units in February, but while The Lost & Damned was on sale for nearly two weeks in that month, Killzone 2 was on sale for only several days.)"

Do you see the difference here ?
Take 3-4 days worth of sales for killzone2 then compare that data to a few weeks worth of sales and then round it up for the month and try and pass that off for correct analysis of data.

Microsoft lie and tweak the figures.. I guess Sony felt like it had to reply to Greenbergs bullshit. They purely use numbers already published with full sources of where they get the numbers from.

Look through the Microsoft figures, notice how most of it is from unnamed sources.

Now tell me how is the Sony numbers spin ? Take the same numbers and you do the calculations yourself. See if Sony is right or wrong, while your at it try to find the sources and try to prove Microsofts statements for me. Because their statements read as spin and bullshit to me :)

No. According to the recent MI6 advertising summit, Wii was #1 in attach rate last year

Anyone want to statistically normalize the data that Sony and Microsoft are saying?

Regardless of Sony's intent with this attach-rate flame war, it does seem like Sony has a slightly higher attach rate than the 360.

One of the other things I'd like to know about their data is how many of those consoles are unique to one individual and not 2 spare Xbox360s per user. I know that Joystiq and many gaming journalists have multiple 360s just in case their machine somehow bites the dust. I don't really see a reason why a user would have multiple PS3 machines but I can see how Xbox360 users might have multiple machines.

The other thing is that we often don't get much data from resellers like GameStop about their "used games" portfolio. A lot of people buy games, beat the game as quickly as possible, and then ditch it at GameStop. This essentially makes me wonder about what the real "attach rate" is if resale is such a huge market.

And that, I believe, is something that we'd have to consider more seriously when these console companies throw statistics around like that.

2%??

that seems awfully low....are you counting the number of PS2s out now or the number that were out when SC2 was released??

How is it bad number spinning? To determine how well a piece of software has sold on a console, the total number of consoles out there in the wild is a pretty important number.

Bottom line: SC2 sold just under a million on the PS2 which has sold 50 million units and SC2 sold just OVER a million on the GC which has sold 12 million units. By Sony's jargon the PS2 is losing which is obviously ridiculous.

But they aren't saying that the XBox360 is losing because of these numbers. They are just simply countering a statement from MS saying that there was a huge game sales gap between the two consoles. While both Sony and MS need to just STFU, this is such an extremely mild "spin".

+1 for the smart remark

probably the same reason we don't sell one person a 360, RROD it and claim 100% fail rate.

More cheap, floozy (and old), weathered, Ozzy groupies attach to Dirty than any other Joystiq commenter. He just has that aura that attracts smokey voiced cougars.

I know, seriously though tell your mom to stop calling.

!? We haven't spoken since dad brought home Gordon Lightfoot on vinyl, she went into a disgusted rage and deserted us :*( Tell her I miss her.

Why isn't this highlited yet? Doctor,give this man three hearts, quick!

Damn you kids, not recognising a timeless classic when you see the lyrics!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTsvwBkVdKw

There, yer fools! Now, give 'im +9000!

i don't see how it's skewed, can you please elaborate? To me its perfectly clear that these games sell at a higher attachment rate per console then they do on 360, pretty cut and dry. What do you mean by skewed?

Dunno if Id go that far. There is a difference between skewed data and just a meaningless statistic. I think that is what he was getting at.

Attach rates have always been kind of pointless unless you are a higher-up at a company, because it plays into licensing. Again though, to the consumer its a meaningless statistic, just like Accessory attach rates. As a consumer it just doesn't matter, in games the only thing that should matter is if they are any good.

I think that influenced a LOT of people decision as to which system to get it on....

I remember playing Street Fighter Alpha on the PS1 with that D-Pad.... crankin up SF4 for the first time brought back a few memories.......

lol....CLASSIC...

as for Coolio?? ummm he had an OK single after GP but I cant for the life of me remember the name of it

Coolio started smoking crack is what happened.

no no no...that was DMX...

I love how when Sony announces something it's bad... but whenever Microsoft is the one to say something, i don't see the b!tching and moaning.

wth.... that reply was supposed to be for another comment made O_o

@Chris D.

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1...2...3...4...get your woman off the floor.

that was the song I was thinking about...and upon listening to it I retract my prior statement...lol

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see what i did there? im so clever.

I don't think it proves that at all. Many of the PS3 exclusives aren't as popular as Halo or Gears which means they aren't going to sell well, but that doesn't mean that the exclusives are better or worse than 360's exclusives.

I do think that Sony shouldn't be throwing this info out though. It just shows that they're losing by a lot.

It proves nothing of the sort Helicon,

Read the article in full.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23186

Sony didn't need to do this, they aren't playing with the figures, it doesn't really prove anything other than disprove Microsoft's claims. I guess they felt like they had to reply back to Microsoft's bullshit.

Aaron Greenbergs bullshit is here:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=22833

Note the use of fudged up statistical analysis Greenberg uses, glad gamasutra points it out in the article.

Nevermind, someone already said it :(

Yes, we know that CoD 4, 5 any other multiplatform game has sold more on 360 than PS3.Do you wanna know why Rhamesy?Because there is more 360s sold than the PS3. Basically 2:1 in the states.Bottom-line, Sony and Microsoft will continue their pissing match against each other while we gamers are reaping the benefits by playing great games on our console(s) of choice. However, w/ SFIV only selling 40K more on 360 than PS3 and the 360 having around 6 mil to 7 mil systems more in states, thats still pretty good for Sony though.