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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:41PM Burritoclock said

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I think this is silly. You should have just had a raffle of the staff and the lucky winner get's a nice reward for being an employee. They go out and have a lot of fun, learn some stuff, come back and report on the games. Everyone wins. The employee for the trip, this site for being there, the reader for the coverage and the companies paying get some press.

To the people above that think $1,500 will turn every human being into a groveling shill for anything in the universe, you people are the broken ones. Me, I am the sane type of human that would take advantage of said opportunity and not sell his "integrity" for $1,500. Yes, BEHOLD, ME, the ONLY man (apparently) who wouldn't break down into a parroting robot for a few dollars!

As to the argument that the appearance of something wrong is as bad as the deed, I can see that argument, I truly can, but I think a small note at the end of the articles stating the trip was paid for by so and so would be more than enough to cover that. Disclosure pretty much prevents all these types of situations, it's keeping it in the back room and then it leaks out that will get you in hot water.

As far as the "tough economic times" horse crap, should I turn down a raise at work because of the "tough economic times" I really don't get this shared misery crap everyone seems to love wallowing in.

Some people have it bad some times, if you don't then freakin enjoy it!

Sorry to rant.....

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:42PM (Unverified) said

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Been lurking here for a little while, got fed up with the follish commenters and asinine articles on Kotaku a while ago, and the last few months I've found Destructoid a bit too full of in-jokes and hugboxing so I came here.... and now I absolutely love it. Stuff like this is really impressive, especially when no other journos have the sac to do the same. Keep it up guys

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:42PM jrr said

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"It's also murderously expensive here; every drink at the hotel bar runs 18 euros, which is roughly $30 per beer."

So did the U.S. economy turn to severely worse shit within the pass week, or does this guy just need to freshen up on his knowledge of exchange rates and/or math skills?

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:44PM Burritoclock said

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Hey! The word roughly covers a $7.50 swing, doesn't it?
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:48PM Xoonaka said

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Google says:

1 Euro = 1.2977 U.S. dollars

So... about $23. I guess he likes to exaggerate.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:44PM Mr Khan said

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A Capcom rep did admit that this is pretty much how you open the door to awesome review scores (i believe at DICE, but i forget)

Not in any insidious way, she didn't say it as though it were pure, out-and-out corruption, just that free drinks for the game journalists tend to help oil the wheels to better scores, and whatnot.

I really wouldn't have thought this was a big deal. It'd take something serious to shake my fondness for joystiq at this point (almost 3 years and well past 7500 comments, not counting any and all comments made before January 2007), so i don't particularly care either way (especially since you'll funnel in the news anyway)

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:47PM (Unverified) said

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How about one person goes and everybody else gets to judge them? Oh yeah and report about what that one person did.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:50PM Otimus said

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I admire Joystiq so much more now.

The day developers/publishers stop this treatment of the press, and giving out press kits, the better.


Why not applying some of that effort to a few of the fans instead, Capcom? >:(

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:24PM Otimus said

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Exactly.

"Hey, here, press people! Let's give you this for free! What? Fans? You're still here? God, fine, here, we'll SELL you a small few, but that's it, now STFU!"


Companies are frigging awful.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 4:54PM GRT said

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Thanks for the explanation of why you won't be there. Major props for keeping your integrity.

The location seems designed for schmoozing game journalists. I'll be looking askance at the sites that *do* report from the event.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:03PM 1059 WKYA Radio Mike Lightly said

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Didn't Tina Turner say "we dont need another hero? We just want to know the way home."

...to Monte Carlo?


Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:31PM easo said

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I know its hard to believe, but if you had asked nicely I would have dove on the grenade and took the trip for you guys :)

Hooray $30 Beers!

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:35PM (Unverified) said

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No offense, but one of the reasons I come to Joystiq is that it feels more like a forum (where some members have a very high level of dedication to keeping some things going, like weekly releases) than a news site. And that also makes it a lot easier to overlook things that aren't really news (the recent 3D-that's-not-3D and Speedrun-that's-not-too-speedy on Nintendo.Joystiq come to mind) and so on.

I'm glad you guys hold yourself to a standard, but don't start taking things too seriously, yeah?

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:49PM jhowlett said

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journalistic integrity is not why i keep coming to joystiq

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:53PM (Unverified) said

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So...Libe Goad, GameDaily's EIC is in Monaco. GameDaily is also an AOL Games blog, like Joystiq. Does that make only half of your network ethical? Who should I trust?

http://twitter.com/libe_goad

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 7:00PM chrisgrant said

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Joystiq is a part of Weblogs, Inc – not AOL Games. Both owned by AOL, sure. That said, I trust Libe whole-heartedly. She's got more experience than 1/2 the people in this industry, and I can't imagine her *not* telling you exactly what she thinks.

That said, her outlet/audience is different from mine. I expect Joystiq readers to be especially critical of our coverage (which is great!) and the companies we cover.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 6:03PM KwietStorm said

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$30 per beer? And I thought it was rape here in NYC. I don't blame you guys.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:54PM mrlogical said

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Count me among the the indifferent. If this is how you choose to do things, fine by me, but personally I would not see an appearance of impropriety if you or any other sites accepted free airfare or hotel. Ultimately, the quality of the work product is what earns my trust. If you don't go take this trip and say that Dead Rising 2 is great, or that it contains features X Y and Z, and I subsequently discover that your reporting was incorrect (or at least did not seem supportable from my impressions), then I will rely on your site less for information, just as I would with any of the sites that are taking this trip. Why exactly the information was unhelpful to me (e.g. because the writer was in the company's pocket, because the writer has vastly different tastes than me, because the writer was sloppy) is frankly irrelevant.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 6:47PM (Unverified) said

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Glad to see I'm not alone on this....
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:58PM (Unverified) said

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But how much were hookers?

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 5:58PM velocitystrike said

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Maybe it's worth having an extra European reporter for all the times you need someone a quick 2 hour flight away from Monte Carlo. Just a suggestion! :D

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 6:14PM (Unverified) said

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And you know what your integrity got you? Less info for your readers.

I'm sure Kotaku won't have a problem covering this.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 6:36PM (Unverified) said

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Just wanted to chime in with my own thanks. I like that you guys are honest and up front about this stuff. It's one of the things that keeps me coming back.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 6:38PM (Unverified) said

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I also applaud Joystiq's integrity.

However, in this case I think it would have been ok to simply publish a disclaimer on all related articles explaining the circumstances and why you attended on their dime.

The fact that Capcom is my absolute favorite publisher may have something to do with that opinion however... I desperately want to know what's going on there!

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 7:04PM chrisgrant said

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Don't worry about that! Any news that comes out of there, we'll let you know about. You won't be getting our reporting though – we'll collate it from the outlets that are there. And yes, I wish we were there to report on it ourselves but holding a press event for North American press in Monte Carlo was practically a recipe for keeping us away.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 7:19PM (Unverified) said

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been following this and thought i'd add two cents (seems like y'all need it)

you've mentioned that you've done it the past, so what made this so different? The thought being conveyed and perceived is that joystiq doesn't take trips, period. yet you imply you have.

perhaps the best reason would have been - "hey, we'd like to go to this event, but since E3 is right around the corner, where we can actually get hands on with the products you want to know about it, we're just gonna skip it." period. done. end of story.

personally, this escalated b/c of the way this conversation with your audience started. management has weighed the pros and cons and made the decision not to go.

at the end of the day, you got a lot of buzz today and for me, this is the first time I've been to the site - so some marketer will be happy to hear that!

good luck!

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 7:35PM chrisgrant said

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No – we've never accepted travel accommodations. Not once. In the past, we've often attended on our own dime. This time, the event was excessively expensive (almost gratuitous) and it was for just one publisher. So, we opted not to go.
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 7:38PM (Unverified) said

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apologies. thank you for correcting me.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 7:59PM Courtney said

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Chris and staff,

I really applaud your integrity and it is one of the reasons that I consistently come back to Joystiq. I've seen too many traditional news outlets (not even entertainment) that don't hold themselves to your level of professionalism. Thanks.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 8:04PM (Unverified) said

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You could always hire a European roving reporter. It'd lower your costs (although you'd still fork out $30 of expenses for each beer they drank). I'm UK/France based and always up for it...!

Interestingly, your sister blog Autoblog had the no-press-freebies rule for a while but they do now accept things like flights and accomodation, albeit stating so in their posts.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 8:19PM Skytwin said

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Makes sense.

Can we fix the "breaking news" feed with the time saved on travel?

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 8:35PM malexandria1 said

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Oh get off your high horse. I despise it when news organization feel a need to whine about junkets. If you don't go or take it then don't, but don't sit there and get all sanctimonous about it. So what if you get invited to these fabulous events, even if it wasn't paid for by Capcom and you paid for it yourself. You would still be influenced just by being there (on the corporate dime) in that environment, having fun, drinks, etc. So whether Capcom or Corporate paid for the trip the end result - the good vibrations would be there. I do not think attending these types of events affects a reporter's objectivity at all and if it does, whether it's paid for by Capcom or Corporate doesn't matter, then it's the reporters fault. Junkets aren't this evil thing that "news organizations" make them out to be.

How many game day events do you guys attend on a regular basis? How many industry parties have you attended? How many free games and swag do you get? I'm media, I get a lot of the things that you do, but I don't get invited to junkets or press days, but I would take the junket in a heartbeat because I can't afford to be sanctimonous about it. And hey, a free trip is a free trip. But it wouldn't affect how I would cover something like this. And I'm sick and tired of so-called "professionals" turning their noses up at the press folks who do go on junkets, or people like me who is jealous as heck because I never get invited. Ok, I do get invited but we're not high enough on the food chain for the pwresents I always have to pay my own way.

And yes I read the disclaimer that you aren't impuning other people's integrity, but whenever some "mainstream" news organization writes crap like this that's exactly what you do, whether it's your intent or not. It makes your audience think that you are above reproach and the other organizations whose news you'll be using is somehow bad for being there. That somehow if two Journalist are at the same event that you have the moral high ground because your company paid for your trip. Regardless of who paid for it, YOU didnt.

Michelle Alexandria
http://www.eclipsemagazine.com

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 9:20PM malexandria1 said

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A simple fix to this issue is: Don't let the person who goes on the junket review the finished product. There, problem solved. That's what we do at Eclipse, I try and curb my writers who do interviews from reviewing whatever product the interviewee is promoting, but my writers, generally, don't except interview requests unless they genuinely like the product first - it's awkward talking to someone if you hate what they do. With these type of events I don't know what type of "hard hitting" journalism you fear would get tainted. "Oh god, I really want to say this screenshot sucks, but I can't because Capcom paid for my trip, oh god, what do I do???" Just admit it, you don't have the budget to cover everything and E3 this year is actually going to be decent so why waste the money.
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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Michelle - thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking, and perhaps more eloquently than I could've. Having a longstanding editorial policy that people can refer to is one thing - writing a post saying "Hey, look at how moralistic we are!" is another.

Robin Yang
http://www.gamedaily.com/
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Posted: Apr 21st 2009 9:28PM (Unverified) said

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Not that you guys ought to need any reassurance, but you're doing it right. Product differentiation is key in a competitive market like gaming journalism. I may not have been following recently (read: the past three years), but I can vouch that this has always been Joystiq's strength. Hell, I was there when we invented Joyswag. I should know, it took me hours to make that logo in Paint. :P

You know what you doing.
Move 'GUARANTEE OF INTEGRITY'.
For great justice.

(Damn, has it really been that long since I've left a comment here? Since when did we require passwords on comments? o.O)

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 9:49PM F1shBone said

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Just go and be honest anyway. Is that really so difficult? Not going is a huge mistake.

Posted: Apr 21st 2009 11:21PM Bluebreaker said

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To Mr. Grant

Has the travel policy always been a part of Joystiq's practices from the beginning or is it just something you decided would be a good idea to head off any bias allegations when controversies began to form in the past few years? Because major events like this are how previews start and how some sites get exclusive content. Not that it should matter THAT much (being a blog everyone just goes to a new window and reads two different sites at once) but there is the concern the site becomes outdated.

And shame on everyone to think Joystiq wouldn't be honest and professional!!

Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 9:32AM chrisgrant said

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Not accepting travel accommodations has been Joystiq's (and Engadget's) policy since day one.
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 2:45AM AntiVillian said

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I'm sorry you don't get to indulge yourself in a classy hotel, it lights a little warm spot inside thinking you gave that up for the sake of integrity. Thanks you blokes.

or maybe you didn't get invited and are trying to cover it up =.=
:P

Posted: Apr 25th 2009 1:13AM (Unverified) said

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I now respect Joystiq even more.

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