On the other hand, the stats include Wii Play, which is basically a controller, so we guess it's all in your perception. We'd encourage you to read Gamasutra's piece and form your own opinions.
On the other hand, the stats include Wii Play, which is basically a controller, so we guess it's all in your perception. We'd encourage you to read Gamasutra's piece and form your own opinions.
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 3:30PM (Unverified) said
Wii: 121 million units/28 months=4.32 million software units per month
360: 124 million units/40 months=3.1 million software units per month
PS3: 49 million units/28 months=1.75 million software units per month
360: 124 million units/40 months=3.1 million software units per month
PS3: 49 million units/28 months=1.75 million software units per month
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 4:00PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
To make this comparison you made relevant you would need either the first 28 months of 360 sales or the 28 months of 360 sales since the PS3 & Wii were released.
Your averages only serve to illustrate what we already know: The Wii has sold the most amount of software total. Since it has done so in a shorter period of time it only makes sense that it would have averaged more per month otherwise it wouldn't be ahead. It doesn't do much to illustrate buying tendencies of one console owner vs another one.
Your averages only serve to illustrate what we already know: The Wii has sold the most amount of software total. Since it has done so in a shorter period of time it only makes sense that it would have averaged more per month otherwise it wouldn't be ahead. It doesn't do much to illustrate buying tendencies of one console owner vs another one.
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 4:01PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
that was supposed to be a reply to kenology18.
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 7:23PM LaughingTarget said
No, a valid comparison would be to compare the last six months for all of them. Since all three of them have been out sufficiently long, we can use the last six months as the actual comparison as it eliminates the early adoption software problem.
Basic regression analysis for business. Remove unusual periods (as would be any newly released console) and compare possible future sales around a more predictable trend, ie, the last 6 months. Trying to normalize around relative time is the worst thing you can do and would get you fired if you tried to pull that with a sales forecast in a business environment.
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Basic regression analysis for business. Remove unusual periods (as would be any newly released console) and compare possible future sales around a more predictable trend, ie, the last 6 months. Trying to normalize around relative time is the worst thing you can do and would get you fired if you tried to pull that with a sales forecast in a business environment.
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 4:09PM (Unverified) said
My point = tie ratios < raw sales numbers
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 4:10PM (Unverified) said
That was supposed to be a reply to Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5)
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 4:35PM guttertalk said
This is arguably one of the more meaningless statistics to get hung up on.
A higher tie ratio means nothing if the total sales are half for one console than another. If only 1 of every 3 Wii owners buy game X, that means more sales than if 2 of every 3 PS3 owners buy the same game.
The problem for the Wii is that multiplatform games do not generally do well for the Wii, as evidenced by COD:WaW, Madden 09, and others. (Guitar Hero is an exception that I can think of.)
A higher tie ratio means nothing if the total sales are half for one console than another. If only 1 of every 3 Wii owners buy game X, that means more sales than if 2 of every 3 PS3 owners buy the same game.
The problem for the Wii is that multiplatform games do not generally do well for the Wii, as evidenced by COD:WaW, Madden 09, and others. (Guitar Hero is an exception that I can think of.)
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 6:01PM (Unverified) said
Call of Duty: World at War did great on Wii. Not as well as the other skus, but those skus were also much better. The Wii game wasn't a slouch though, and deserved to sell over a million.
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 10:59PM guttertalk said
@Ken:
I'm not talking about the quality of the game but of the sales, which just aren't as good as the 360 and PS3.
There are all sorts of possible explanations, but I think for some genres, the Wii seems like a shorted version--graphics are poorer, fewer online features, etc. (And I'm very curious about the new style EA said is coming to Madden 10 for the Wii.) I think Ghostbusters for the Wii will do well because it's not going to be a stripped down version but a different version that could play to the Wii's strengths.
The Force Unleashed is another multiplatform game that pretty much did as well on the Wii as the 360 and PS3, thanks in part to unique features and to (IMO) a better game experience.
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I'm not talking about the quality of the game but of the sales, which just aren't as good as the 360 and PS3.
There are all sorts of possible explanations, but I think for some genres, the Wii seems like a shorted version--graphics are poorer, fewer online features, etc. (And I'm very curious about the new style EA said is coming to Madden 10 for the Wii.) I think Ghostbusters for the Wii will do well because it's not going to be a stripped down version but a different version that could play to the Wii's strengths.
The Force Unleashed is another multiplatform game that pretty much did as well on the Wii as the 360 and PS3, thanks in part to unique features and to (IMO) a better game experience.
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 4:48PM (Unverified) said
"Oh, and the XBox is probably high above those numbers, because that's the system you have when you want to be 'in', or whatever youngsters call it those days.
So every kid owns one. And kids love games. Ergo, higher tie ratio."
LMAO YES! Exactly! Nothing goes more hand in hand than "Xbox" and "kids". Immature ones to boot.
For hands-on learning, hop online with any FPS and listen to the voice chatter, you'll see what I mean.
So every kid owns one. And kids love games. Ergo, higher tie ratio."
LMAO YES! Exactly! Nothing goes more hand in hand than "Xbox" and "kids". Immature ones to boot.
For hands-on learning, hop online with any FPS and listen to the voice chatter, you'll see what I mean.
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 5:45PM (Unverified) said
I highly suggest that if anyone hasn't read Gamasutra's original article yet, they do so. Joystiq does attempt to do it justice, but sometimes you have to read these things from the source.
What I find interesting is that A.) A lot of people stubbornly assumed PS3 had the higher tie ration in N.America alll along and it didn't B.) This tie ratio comes after months of increased percentage of Wii console purchase rates year over year and months of comparatively declinging PS3 hardward sales, and yet the PS3 only eeks ahead of the Wii w/ a 6.5 vs. 6.3 tie ratio in North America. With Wii software sales reportedly decimating ps3 in Japan higher in Europe, I wouldn't be surprised if World-wide, the Wii still has a higher attach rate.
From the source: "The Wii and the Xbox 360 software unit sales figures are extremely close: 121 million and 124 million, respectively. However, the Xbox 360 had an entire year of sales prior to the launch of the Wii. With the smaller installed base, the PlayStation 3 has sold about 49 million units of software since it launched."
Even if you remove the millions of first party sales and Wii Play, you're looking at about 100 million units of software sold by third parties on Wii in the US alone. Publishers care more about profitability and overall sales then they doe tie ratios anyways, but for people who think the Wii isn't moving any software, you're just plain wrong.
Cheers to all the consoles as we approach E3!
What I find interesting is that A.) A lot of people stubbornly assumed PS3 had the higher tie ration in N.America alll along and it didn't B.) This tie ratio comes after months of increased percentage of Wii console purchase rates year over year and months of comparatively declinging PS3 hardward sales, and yet the PS3 only eeks ahead of the Wii w/ a 6.5 vs. 6.3 tie ratio in North America. With Wii software sales reportedly decimating ps3 in Japan higher in Europe, I wouldn't be surprised if World-wide, the Wii still has a higher attach rate.
From the source: "The Wii and the Xbox 360 software unit sales figures are extremely close: 121 million and 124 million, respectively. However, the Xbox 360 had an entire year of sales prior to the launch of the Wii. With the smaller installed base, the PlayStation 3 has sold about 49 million units of software since it launched."
Even if you remove the millions of first party sales and Wii Play, you're looking at about 100 million units of software sold by third parties on Wii in the US alone. Publishers care more about profitability and overall sales then they doe tie ratios anyways, but for people who think the Wii isn't moving any software, you're just plain wrong.
Cheers to all the consoles as we approach E3!
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 6:05PM (Unverified) said
I thought people weren't allowed to use critical thinking, sound reasoning, and present facts on the internet. You should be down-voted.
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Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 6:11PM (Unverified) said
Intresting comparison, but what I cannot understand is why Netflix won't appear on PS3 or Wii??
http://www.ps3home.co.uk/news254/Netflix-not-going-to-PS3-or-Wii.html
http://www.ps3home.co.uk/news254/Netflix-not-going-to-PS3-or-Wii.html
Posted: Apr 22nd 2009 6:17PM flarkle said
Who cares?
I mean it's not like people are using these numbers to decide on their console purchase, and it's not like these numbers should have any impact on someone that already owns whatever they want to own.
"I would buy a ps3, but their tie ratio sucks."
Yeah, not gonna happen.
As for me, I love my ps3 and could give two shits what other people buy. I didn't get my console to impress my friends, I bought it cause I wanted it. I would hope that same statement could be said for everyone, but I guess not.
I mean it's not like people are using these numbers to decide on their console purchase, and it's not like these numbers should have any impact on someone that already owns whatever they want to own.
"I would buy a ps3, but their tie ratio sucks."
Yeah, not gonna happen.
As for me, I love my ps3 and could give two shits what other people buy. I didn't get my console to impress my friends, I bought it cause I wanted it. I would hope that same statement could be said for everyone, but I guess not.
Posted: Apr 23rd 2009 7:29AM (Unverified) said
But how do they count Wii Sport?? Cos the wii automatically ships with one game... which the others don't. thats got to be hard to factor in.
Nintendo must be a little worried that the wii has almost doubled in numbers since last year, yet sold less software...
Nintendo must be a little worried that the wii has almost doubled in numbers since last year, yet sold less software...
Posted: Apr 23rd 2009 12:24PM xGearSecondx said
One Piece:Unlmited Cruise eps1 and 2 please. That is all.
