Parting shots: Reeves expects PS3 to be dominant in 3-5 years

only for people that actually own one. Uncharted 2, Infamous...can't wait for those 2 games. On my 360 side...nothing...

The rest of the people will continue to believe the PS3 has nothing to offer...hehe, silly folks.

Oh silly execs. When will they learn that no amount of marketing speak will save face among the masses. Joe Teenager won't jump on the bandwagon (and will continue to trash talk Sony) until the PS3 is affordable for him... As they say, money talks- wait, or is it money walks... now I'm confused.

+1 for truth, Lars.

Polly want a cracker?

Joystiq, do you enjoy using us as pawns in your sick little game!?!?!?

Yep.

they're=their

Aww you voted down my grammar correction too?

That's just wrong.

The internets can be cruel and unusual at times, buddy.

that doesn't matter at all. ps3 is built to be just as viable a platform 10 yrs into its life cycle as it is today, unlike 360 which has already seen it's hayday. Even the next xbox wont be more powerful than the ps3. The gap will be closed sure but the ps3 will still be on top for power, and quality, i might add. There is no way microsoft would ever build a console that theyd have to sell for 1200 - 1500 at launch to actually make a profit on it like sony did. People just trully don't understand what the cell really is and what it can do. It in literal terms is nearly a supercomputer. I really wish more people would take the time to research what they try to talk about like its fact when its not. I don't mean look up stuff from sony or microsoft either because there will always be bias, I mean look up scientific reports on the technologies used in the system, from third party sources. It would blow your mind if you trully knew the power of the cell. You would scratch your head at the idea of sony asking so little for it. It's way more powerful than your home pc that you probably spent more on than the ps3 costs. It will never be used to it's max. Even killzone doesn't come close. Sony made every other companys next two or more console cycles irrelevant, and so few people trully understand that, even ps3 fanboys, and i'm not a ps3 fanboy, i'm a technology fanboy. I make informed decisions and purchases regardless of what's the in thing at the time, i wish more people would do the same.

I'm not touching this one with my dick...

I'm not touching it with your dick, either. Or your 'giner.

I dont think David Reeves would enjoy you touching him with your dick and neither would I

Wait, wut?

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WTF????

whats a z-jay?

You know...for a retarded fairy you sure make a lot of sense!

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Seriously, by then most of us will have rocket pants and won't care about console gaming anyway.

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tmac-
i dunno
the 2 biggest (highest selling) ps3/360 games of 2009 to me are looking like cod:mw2 and halo3:odst.

cod has a strong history of selling many more copies on the 360 than the ps3.
halo 3:odst even if $30 or $ 40 will probably still sell at least 3 million copies and maybe 5 million IMO.

considering the slow performance of 2008 ps3 AAA titles that were supposed to sell more copies in sony's eyes, i just dont see sony beating out ms this year and having a more profitable year.
but that is just my opinion on the subject.
everyone is counting out ms this year and we havent even seen E3 yet.
can i ask what time in 2008 we all knew that left for dead was coming to the 360?
or the new star ocean game this year already?
ms surprises us with games, and sony has pretty much relied on showing us their bag of games and tricks before they are even completed or have a solid release date.
home announced in 2005... gt5... etc.. etc..

I think the PSP is going to have a KILLER year. They've announced a butt load of excellent titles and Nintendo's only response was a DS with 2 shitty cameras.

Moreover, the PSP-4000/PSP2 my very well debut this year at E3. If anything, Sony should concentrate on helping the PSP dominate or at the very least catch up to the DS's unholy sales figures.

@Sk8

I wasn't talking about sales though...at all. I was referring to exclusives which right now Sony has a LOT coming this year between ps3 and psp. I know microsoft is bound to have some games up its sleeve too, they just have to because there's like 2 exclusives coming this year for 360. That being said, don't think Sony won't have some surprises at E3 either.

Also, around E3 time (my money's actually during their conference) look for Sony to finally put a good number of PS1 games on the NA PSN, including games like FF7 and MGS 1. I'm hearing lots of talk they're going to pull the trigger on getting more games up there finally.

yeah i agree with you there.

i have said before that i think i will end up purchasing more ps3 exclusives this year than 360 ones.

yeah so many are waiting for some ff7 announcement...

oh and i just reread your post and looked at what i missed....
"I know he means sales, but gamewise they look poised to do it this year,"
nevermind my comment...

Sk8

Riiiight ... We didn't hear a peep about Splinter Cell Conviction or Alan Wake until they were released ... wait ... nevermind. It's not like the PS3 games have been dissapointing. In fact, they have exceeded expectations.

Sony will get a big fat bump in sales when Final Fantasy 13 releases in Japan this Christmas because it still is exclusive in that region.

I think we can expect some sort of a strategicly announced price drop for the PS3 around E3 as well. MS has some nice little games like Champions Online & Section 8 but it seems they are really only going to have exclusive DLC and a Halo 3 expansion. I fully expect a new Forza to be announced at E3 as well which will certainly help out.

Say what you will about the PS3 and how it games sell but most of can certainly agree the only thing holding sales of the console back is the cost of entry. They have a massive onslaught of games coming out this year and early next year that every gamer wants to play. I'm just salivating over thoughts of Uncharted 2, Infamous, MAG, God Of War 3, Heavy Rain, DC Universe Online, White Knight Chronicles, The Agency, Ratchet & Clank Crack In Time, Team ICO Project, Gran Turismo 5, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, Quantum Theory, Demons Souls and the unannounced Rockstar PS3 exclusive game. Let's also not forget that Media Molecule has a deal in place to produce three more new exclusive IPs on the PS3. Maybe we also get localization of Yakuza 3 here in North America though I'm not holding my breath.

The point is that the PS3 has tons of fantastic games coming out and the only thing in the way of mass consumer adoption is the cost of entry.

All of this retarded install base numbers aside from a consumer perspective the PS3 is poised to give us a fantastic year of gaming and beyond into next year as well. No one can deny that.

johnny-
i dont know why you feel sony is some godly creation that abides by all laws..
just google- sony SRAM anti trust. (1998- 2005 time period)
also sony BMG was investigated by the US justice dept for anti trust.
the walkman in the 80's was not a monopoly product at first??
betamax was monopolized by sony also.
cough cough ** "Sony sued for cheating man out of rumble patents"
"Sony hit with patent infringement lawsuit over Blu-ray discs"
"Sony settles 'rootkit' class action lawsuit"
"Sony faces class action lawsuits for DRM"
"Processor Patent Adds to Sony's Lawsuit Woes"
"MediaPost Publications Sony Settles 'Spyware' Lawsuits"

ill stop there..

johnny where have u been living? come on..
sony and ms are in the same amount of litigation and have huge businesses because of many reasons, some not exactly legal.

"Lik-Sang.com Out of Business due to Multiple Sony Lawsuits"
http://www.lik-sang.com/

read that article, sony is just the nicest company... lol...

and u realize the anti trust lawsuits come up in the EU region, all where intel, sony, and ms have faced trials for anti trust violations.
they have stricter laws in the EU.
and it is all BS anyway. if ms created windows and various products, honestly why should they have to give out code to other companies to be able to create products for profit that would ultimately take away from the ms business..

its not ms fault that 80+% of the world uses windows computers.
that is the reason this comes up usually.

its honestly just other crybaby companies not able to figure out ways to release more products for windows.
i compare it to silicon knights sueing epic games over unreal engine 3 licensing, just because they could not use it and had much trouble with the engine.
what did they want free tech support from epic too??

but yeah the ps3 lineup looks great.
i just dont know why you feel ms is so bad and sony is an angel??

Johns a hermit. Lives in the woods in Delaware, last I heard...

GO BLUEHENS!

For now they do seem to be on top in terms of overall lineup, since Microsoft and especially Nintendo have remained so closemouthed about their late-year lineups. Things could change, but GT5 and Uncharted 2 are especially heavyweight. If they could put GoW3 inside this year, they could post an excellent year

Also Ratchet and Clank. Forgot about them.

Sk8

I didn't say Sony was some sort of an Angel. However, there is a big difference in Sony-Corp, Sony BMG, Sony Pictures etc etc ... They have essentially been autonomous of each other until the recent restructuring plan was announced by Howard Stringer. It's easy to put everything under one banner but even now there is no coherent leadership within the company driving the business forward.

You are also minimizing the effect MS has had in the past with their anti-competitive practices. I'm not going to get into all the specifics here but it's all well documented and founded in absolute fact. We are talking bribing public officials, illegally acquiring 3rd party companies by proxy/intermediaries, paying "analyst" to bad mouth the competition and put out hyperbolic predictions, astroturfing (FUD), squeezing out 3rd parties among a myriad of other violations including but not limited to shills & blackmail. The list of anti-trust violations is so long and verifiable that it really boggles the mind.

I don't have an issue with anyone speaking factual about verifiable facts be it about Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

If you are interested in learning more about some of these past, present and future violations I would urge you to check out this site.
http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

What it comes down to is this: Because I point out facts about Company A doesn't mean I have an affinity for Company B. The facts are the facts and I will never excuse any type of anti-competitive behavior from any company.

why do you want to talk about the sony owned companies as completely separate entities but you want to talk about microsoft and their companies as 1 entity ??

what do you call Sony Corp. filing a lawsuit and putting out of business a chinese game exporter for selling games to the EU, some of which were sent to Sony EU. ?
great, great company...

what do you call sony paying $ 10 million in settlement for the pay for play lawsuit brought to them in the state of new york, where they were accused of paying radio stations to play more sony owned music songs to promote higher sales.
(sounds like your bribing comment to me)

my point is that they both follow questionable business practices and are always involved in civil litigation's from those questionable business practices.
whether it be anti trust, or put a game seller out of business, or stealing somebodies rumble patent, its all the same.
illegal business activity that needs to be addressed in the court of law and made public.

why would ms game studios not be a part of microsoft corp. and sony BMG not be a part of sony corp?

when the name sony and microsoft are on those companies, they are part of the entire conglomerate, no matter how many different divisions and/or company names they attempt to use.

u make it seem like if you sue nbc tv station, that you are only suing nbc.
when in reality you are suing nbc, universal, and ultimately the conglomerate known as General Electric.

johnny why did the ps3 have no rumble for more than 1 year??
while the 360 sure did....

somebody broke the law and paid a lot of money in settlements to get rumble back.

This argument was rejected, and Sony was held liable for the $82 million judgment originally made in September 24, 2004, in addition to $8.7 million worth of interest on the previous judgment.

funny thing to is that microsoft was a co-defendant, and knew they would lose the case and settled before trial for $ 36 million dollars and were allowed to license the patent on time to release with the new console.

just that 1 case alone left microsoft with enough money to pay the $ 50 million to secure the GTA4 DLC.

http://www.netjak.com/review.php/849

crazy world, sometimes you have to make the right decisions.
ms knew they broke the law, and sony maybe thought they were above the law?

sk8

Again you aren't following what I'm saying. I'm talking about some serious anti-competitive practices that are a fiber of MS being. Illegal activity and shady business practices is a MS mantra. It's just what they do. I'm talking about a list thats a mile long and has a real effect on all of us in this digital information age.

Let's put everything Sony Corp (every division) has ever done that was anti-competitive in column A and then we will put the same list for Microsoft in column B. You will see the difference. There is no corporation that is immune of bad business practices and that hasn't made mistakes. But, MS is on an entirely different level.

If you have looked at the evidence and have seen what both companies have done and you still feel they are essentially equal then thats your opinion. No company should be above scrutiny. My opinion is different but how that equates to me looking at Sony as being angelic is non-sensical. It's almost like you are trying to marginalize the validity of what I'm saying by implying I'm more sympathetic to Sony than MS.

It's not as simple as saying ... Sony did this and that so they are just as bad ... There are varying degrees that reach far beyond a generic equivalent. I've never once said or even intimated that Sony was some sort of benevolent company that was without wrong. That was a deduction you made because of some things I said about MS. If thats how you want to look at the world then so be it but there are plenty of shades of gray in between those black and white extremes. I think the root kit DRM fiasco was particularly egregious. How you make this imaginary leap about my feelings on the things any other corporation have done because of how I feel about MS lacks common sense & critical thinking. To be honest the two companies aren't even in the stratosphere.

It seems to me that you want to paint MS as some sort of a victim because they are successful. Everyone is just out to get a piece of them and they are just misunderstood. GTFOH with that attitude.

check out this site: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
also check out this one: http://www.microturfs.org/

There are going to be people who say "AH HA - AN ANTI MS SITE SO IT MUST BE TRUE" but thats not the point or the intent. Look at the information for yourself and come to your own conclusion.

If you want to have a serious conversation about some of this stuff and discuss the potential implications or plays devils advocate I'm all for it. However, I'm not going to have some sort of a tit for tat pissing match. You need to ask yourself what your intentions really are.

Even with everything that I know is true I still use MS products and purchased a 360. It's not as if I am boycotting them on any level but it also doesn't mean I'm naive to what has happened in the past and what the means for the future.

I still think it's amazing that MS has been able to sort of re-brand itself to this new generation of young adults and teenagers as this sort of hip company that gives them this great game system and entertainment devices like the zune. That in it of itself is a miracle and shows that on many levels (from rebranding their image to having their pulse on what consumers want) they are very much capable of new ideas and changing with the times.

how am i saying ms is good, if I said they were both up to no good at times.
maybe MS is worse, but you or I do not know that.
it would seem though that ms has done more wrong to get where they are, but what is really the difference between doing some wrong or more wrong. its all the same to me.
they have both done some pretty shady things to become such large companies over time.

ms and sony have both been very successful over the years, i dont get what your saying about me painting pictures only for MS.

does GTFOH mean get the fuck outta here?

it had appeared to me that you felt ms does so much wrong while sony abides by all laws and treats everyone fairly.
thats the only reason i made my comments.
i didnt make them to defend ms or make sony look worse.
only to show someone that sony has done some bad things also, but i guess i didnt need to do that if you knew that also.

sk8

I'll say this and then this conversation is over because it isn't our own personal message board.

Sometimes I do wonder if you actually read what is written or if you just don't understand.

"how am i saying ms is good, if I said they were both up to no good at times.
maybe MS is worse, but you or I do not know that."

What I actually said is it appears you are painting MS as a victim which is evidenced by this comment in particular "its honestly just other crybaby companies not able to figure out ways to release more products for windows." opposed to you interpreting that "ms is good."

I do know that MS is much worse based off of what is verifiable facts. Thats my own opinion and it's very much founded in facts and based in reality not here say.

"it would seem though that ms has done more wrong to get where they are, but what is really the difference between doing some wrong or more wrong. its all the same to me."

Thats well within your right to feel that way. For example, stealing a candy bar from a gas station is the same ethically and morally as stealing the lives savings from the elderly. However, they are radically different in they way they effect peoples lives and in my opinion have to be judged as such. This isn't meant to equate them with either company but just to show that not all acts of the same moral compass are the same.

"ms and sony have both been very successful over the years, i dont get what your saying about me painting pictures only for MS."

See above where I reference how you essentially painted MS as a victim.

That is all. Good night.

He said in 3-5 years the PS3 will be dominant. Thats different than it will start to dominate or will just squeek ahead in install base by that time. He is basically saying that starting this year the trends are going to start going towards the PS3. I can believe that with their catalogue and some E3 surprises. I would bet any amount of money that E3 will see some big time megatons about new system bundles and a low price point to follow. Who could turn down a $300 PS3 bundled with say Killzone 2 & Little Big Planet? I'll tell you who ... No one.

We have only just started to squeeze the juice out of this generation with the best games coming in the last year and a half. With the bleak economic outlook it would be suicide to release a new console before 2012-2013. I'm not saying it won't happen but I won't be buying a new X-Box, Playstation or Nintendo for a good 4-5 years. By that time 3-D will be standard on all games and we will need new TVs to take advantage of it. We haven't big market penetration for low end HDTVs so the next bigger and better consoles are going to need a 2 year hiatus off the normal cycle. Things are just different now.

monroe, the lakers suck... remember game 6 last year...*Cough* celtics won by 39 points*cough* Celtics FTW!!! PS3 will stay in third, nothing else to it

lol.. always great stuff to argue about...
your right about last year though..
the lakers choked.
and the last few years of the lakers have been poor too.
i was defending MJ mostly...
by the way the celtics have played cleveland and the lakers this year, it looks dismal for them though..
i dont even know if the lakers can beat cleveland this year.
good game on now though... going down to the wire..

I can't believe Chicago let Ray Allen take that 3-Pointer to tie the game. Everyone knows to foul in that situation and put them on the line for 2. There are to many things that have to go right for a team to come back when you keep putting them on the foul line. What a series.

No way the Lakers get past Cleveland this year. Now, if Orlando or Boston makes it to the finals the Lakers would be the prohibitive favorites.

... And ... What the hell was Al Davis thinking taking heyward-bey ahead of crabtree.

wow that was some great basketball.
good series, but winning in Boston will be pretty hard for Chicago.

lakers also have to watch out for Portland or Houston, which haven't been the easiest of teams for the lakers to beat.
dallas/denver in the conference finals shouldnt be as hard for the lakers as the next round will be for them.