Yoshinori Kitase, producer of Final Fantasy XIII, is getting older. Running into his 40s and still at the helm of one of Japan's biggest franchises, the man has been employed by Square Enix for 19 years now. In his time, he's headed up production of classics from Chrono Trigger to Final Fantasy VII to Kingdom Hearts. And you'd think, after all those games and all that time, the man wouldn't react bitterly if the newest entry in the FF series were characterized as a JRPG ... and you'd be wrong.
"There's a trend these days to strictly categorize games as western RPGs or Japanese RPGs, but Final Fantasy is something that we don't try to categorize as either/or," Kitase told Edge Magazine. Forgive us if we're mistaken here, but we were quite under the impression that the FF franchise more or less defined what a JRPG is. Continuing, he says, "For us, the game straddles genre." We're not sure what game he's playing, but early reports of the recently released FFXIII demo in Japan lead us to believe turn-based battles and spiky-haired androgynous characters are still par for the course. Guess we'll have to find out for ourselves when the game releases in North America sometime next year.
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Posted: May 5th 2009 8:27PM (Unverified) said
"We're not sure what game he's playing, but early reports of the recently released FFXIII demo in Japan lead us to believe turn-based battles and spiky-haired androgynous characters are still par for the course"
Dammit joystiq, this is like the 3rd article in two days where you've said exactly what I was gonna say. Well played sirs.
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Dammit joystiq, this is like the 3rd article in two days where you've said exactly what I was gonna say. Well played sirs.
Posted: May 5th 2009 8:51PM (Unverified) said
Oh, so all of a sudden you're too good for stereotypes and an even girlier version Cloud?
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Posted: May 5th 2009 8:54PM (Unverified) said
Ah, thank you for reminding me.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/73/Nothing_alike_75.jpg
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Posted: May 5th 2009 9:01PM (Unverified) said
whoa, I was totally gonna link to that if someone questioned my claim of Girl Cloud.
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
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GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
Posted: May 5th 2009 8:30PM atrimus said
what's say you find a way to make FFXIII straddle more than one country/continent simultaneously? Konami found a way to do it with the probably equally dialogue heavy MGS4, while keeping the quality in tact.
*shrugs*
maybe i'm asking too much for my $900+ PS360?
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*shrugs*
maybe i'm asking too much for my $900+ PS360?
Posted: May 5th 2009 8:42PM (Unverified) said
It would be far more bearable to play if it was a wrpg, but going from the demo it's as jrpg as they come.
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Posted: May 5th 2009 8:37PM (Unverified) said
Yeah, not quite. The series may introduce new ideas with each iteration, and I appreciate that greatly when so few of its contemporaries are doing the same, but Final Fantasy is still firmly a JRPG, along with all the positive and negative connotations.
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Posted: May 5th 2009 8:36PM rowd149 said
"Spiky-haired characters" is a Japanese game phenomenon, not a JRPG phenomenon. If I remember correctly, Sakaguchi (the man who CREATED FF)'s Lost Odyssey didn't have any main characters that were stereotypical in that way.
That said, I can see where the man is coming from. Every FF game works hard to work in concepts started in other genres, and with FFXIII, doubly so. The ranking and combo system is just the tip of the iceberg. We haven't even seen the leveling system, movement outside of that one small area, etc. FF is a JRPG at it's core, but calling it a straight JRPG trivializes the effort its creators made to keep the gameplay new.
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That said, I can see where the man is coming from. Every FF game works hard to work in concepts started in other genres, and with FFXIII, doubly so. The ranking and combo system is just the tip of the iceberg. We haven't even seen the leveling system, movement outside of that one small area, etc. FF is a JRPG at it's core, but calling it a straight JRPG trivializes the effort its creators made to keep the gameplay new.
Posted: May 5th 2009 9:25PM (Unverified) said
He's only trying to lure in players who shy away from jrpgs, but like wrpgs. He may have just sold a few extra copies with his statements. Alhough many of us know better. I happened to like jrpgs, but I catagorize them seperately from the Fallouts and Mass Effects, out of love for both styles.
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Posted: May 5th 2009 9:48PM (Unverified) said
I never understood why the RPG genre is the only genre in the video game culture that is divided between white people RPGs and JRPGs. (And I use the term "white people RPGs" because "Western RPG" is very inconsistently used. For example, people seem to be willing to label Eastern European developed RPGs as "Western" too, which simply makes no sense.)
And I don't get why every RPG made by any white person in the entire world is immediately lumped into the WRPG genre. One country, Japan, versus the entirety of the white West? If this is optimal, why not begin to do this with every video game genre?
Ace Combat 6 - JFS (Japanese Flight sim) vs HAWX - WFS. (White Flight Sim)
Resident Evil 5 - JAG (Japanese Action game) vs L4D - WZAG (White Action game)
Street Fighter 4 - JFG (Japanese fighting game) vs Mortal Kombat DC - WFG (White fighting game)
Why haven't these terms caught on in the way JRPG and WRPG have? Are the stylistic differences too minimal? AC6 and HAWX are very similar, but RE5 and L4D are very different approaches. I haven't played Mortal Kombat DC, but I'm pretty sure it's way different than Street Fighter.
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And I don't get why every RPG made by any white person in the entire world is immediately lumped into the WRPG genre. One country, Japan, versus the entirety of the white West? If this is optimal, why not begin to do this with every video game genre?
Ace Combat 6 - JFS (Japanese Flight sim) vs HAWX - WFS. (White Flight Sim)
Resident Evil 5 - JAG (Japanese Action game) vs L4D - WZAG (White Action game)
Street Fighter 4 - JFG (Japanese fighting game) vs Mortal Kombat DC - WFG (White fighting game)
Why haven't these terms caught on in the way JRPG and WRPG have? Are the stylistic differences too minimal? AC6 and HAWX are very similar, but RE5 and L4D are very different approaches. I haven't played Mortal Kombat DC, but I'm pretty sure it's way different than Street Fighter.
Posted: May 5th 2009 10:10PM (Unverified) said
How dare you racists call a style of game that comes out of Japan a JRPG.
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Posted: May 5th 2009 10:44PM THEBLAH said
Since the differences between Rpgs from the Americas and Rpgs from Europe are very slim there is no need to separate those into even more genres that's why they all fall under Western. JRPGS have very obvious differences from other RPGs such as big emphasis on cut scenes, traditional combat mechanics and heavy dialogue. When WRPGS are more based on character goals that sometimes coincide with the "save the world" stuff that seems to be the main focus of JRPGS, also a lot of mechanics based on choices and consequences .
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Posted: May 5th 2009 11:10PM (Unverified) said
@ Blah, aren't most of the European RPGs just copying North American RPGs though? If so, why not use the term "North American RPG", USRPG, or Canadian RPG? In terms of market share, North American produced RPGs probably account for 90% of all the RPG business made by so-called Western companies.
What about Chinese and Korean RPGs which copy the World of Warcraft model? Are they CRPGs and KRPGs? Or WRPGs?
There doesn't seem to be much consistency here. Japan gets it own acronym, but dozens of North American and European countries are lumped into big mass. What's up with that? Why remove America and Canada's uniqueness and lump it into the same category as something coming out of Poland?
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What about Chinese and Korean RPGs which copy the World of Warcraft model? Are they CRPGs and KRPGs? Or WRPGs?
There doesn't seem to be much consistency here. Japan gets it own acronym, but dozens of North American and European countries are lumped into big mass. What's up with that? Why remove America and Canada's uniqueness and lump it into the same category as something coming out of Poland?
Posted: May 6th 2009 12:23AM justinslot said
For what it's worth, Charlie Six, I completely agree with you, but the convention seems too ingrained at this point. And it's a completely gaming-specific convention--nobody talks about Western cinema or Western television, because that would be nonsensical. And yet we have no problem in gaming dividing the world into Japanese and Not Japanese. I would think there would have to be major differences between games produced in North America, Western Europe, and Eastern Europe, but everybody seems to be pretty comfortable lumping all game-producing white people into a single category.
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Posted: May 6th 2009 1:19AM aughscreennames said
The UK and the americas are in the western hemisphere. Asia is in the eastern hemisphere. It makes perfect sense to call them western rpgs. Its not western like cowboys and indians, its whats to the left of 0 degrees longitude.
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Posted: May 6th 2009 4:19AM (Unverified) said
i think you will find that 0 degrees longitude is some where in the middle of London so thats most of Europe in the east, therefor stalker and the whitcher are ERPG?
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Posted: May 5th 2009 10:19PM (Unverified) said
Can they stride back over to Final Fantasy VII after they are done and remake it al-frikkin-ready?
I'd like to play an updated version of my favorite game sometime this century.
Don't hate, you know most of you want it too.
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I'd like to play an updated version of my favorite game sometime this century.
Don't hate, you know most of you want it too.
Posted: May 5th 2009 11:16PM JackBarron said
Would I be out of line if I said that FF games are overrated twaddle.
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Posted: May 6th 2009 12:08PM chispito said
I think esoteric is a better word than overrated. It's an old, cumbersome form of a game that was born out of limited hardware, yet somehow lives.
I would guess that Square doesn't see many new converts to the core titles in the franchise, unlike newer, more accessible franchises.
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I would guess that Square doesn't see many new converts to the core titles in the franchise, unlike newer, more accessible franchises.
Posted: May 6th 2009 5:22AM (Unverified) said
Spiky-hair and girly androdgenous men aren't a JRPG phenomenon. they are a J(apan) phenomenon. Most of the guys you see walking around tokyo look just like that. Of course, the fact they are all incredibly thin also helps with the girly look.
I don't know which came first... did the JRPG hair inspire the boys, or the boys inspire the JRPG-hair?
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Frankly, I don't care about the hair or whiny characters much, its the endless annoying random encounters I hate. Played Chrono Trigger and loved it to death. Haven't been able to get far in a FF game (despite multiple tries) because the random battles get old so quick. (5 random battles in ONE HOUSE CORRIDOR!?! Seriously???).
If anyone could patch FF6+ to remove the random battles i'd be there in an instant... until then - Fire Emblem & Tactics.
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I don't know which came first... did the JRPG hair inspire the boys, or the boys inspire the JRPG-hair?
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Frankly, I don't care about the hair or whiny characters much, its the endless annoying random encounters I hate. Played Chrono Trigger and loved it to death. Haven't been able to get far in a FF game (despite multiple tries) because the random battles get old so quick. (5 random battles in ONE HOUSE CORRIDOR!?! Seriously???).
If anyone could patch FF6+ to remove the random battles i'd be there in an instant... until then - Fire Emblem & Tactics.
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