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Posted: May 26th 2009 11:15AM Sarge said

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Would you rather have someone volunteer, or get drafted? The choice is yours.

And I can't believe you just compared military recruitment to pedophilia. You show grave disrespect to those who have fought and died for your right to exist.

Grow up.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 11:49AM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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I can't endorse McWilly's example--but don't see how the military fights for my "right to exist", Sarge. Lately, they haven't been fighting for my rights at all. Where was the military when the Patriot Act was signed? Where are they now, as moral repression continues to encroach on individual liberty? Why isn't the military fighting against corporatism? They're not even fighting for freedom in Iraq if you consider that, since our occupation, we have enforced martial law there.

So when you ask whether one would prefer to have someone volunteer or be drafted, I for one would have them select the third option.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 11:56AM (Unverified) said

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@McWilly:

Or they proudly serve their country and live with that pride the rest of their lives, which is also a completely different scenario than you mentioned.

@Dave:

I agree the military isn't used in the right way. It doesn't make that they defend our rights (perhaps the right to exist is already assumed) in the US false. It simply devalues their service because of the misuse of power. I feel that my service was devalued the same way. When I joined soldiers were magical honorable people, now they simply aren't (in the public eye) I'm sure this happened after vietnam too.

As you are asking for military intervention on injustices in your life, what is it that has been done to you? Also, our current CIC is taking a lot of those things to task and a lot is going to shake out from his actions. Hopefully, with the focus on the RIGHT things rather than a different WRONG thing, it will get back to a good balance.

Man... Politics / Video Games a bad mix
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Posted: May 26th 2009 1:38PM Sarge said

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@Dave: I think all of us would choose the third option. No one really WANTS war.

That being said, and this has been hashed out many, MANY times in other places, regardless of how we got into Iraq, not finishing the job now leaves us in more danger than when we started. If a nuclear-armed Iran gains dominance in the region, we've got a lot more to worry about. So yeah, I do think they're fighting for our lives.

I'm also thinking about the people that were recruited in past wars as well. Both my grandfathers served in WWII. That generation was far greater than anything I've seen today.

And fighting "corporatism"? What the heck does that even MEAN? That's not the job of the military, and you full well know it. It's the job of the government and courts to punish corporate wrongdoers. What would you have them do, go in and shoot up CEOs? And is it the military's job to even get involved in "individual liberties" that should be resolved in our courts (and are already spelled out in our Constitution)?
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Posted: May 26th 2009 9:39AM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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"There's no subterfuge in giving someone an accurate picture of the army experience."

Of course, by that same argument, children should be permitted to drink and buy porn as well. Some "conservative".

Oh, and "accurate"? Please. I reality, when you die, the game is over.

Posted: May 26th 2009 11:51AM (Unverified) said

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@Dave:

Sorry man, it is very realistic. I know respawn isn't an option, but that's what makes it a simulation. The army has no reason to allow soldiers to think combat is a game. It would seriously cause problems.

And no, giving porn and booze to children is not the same. This isn't a vice. This is a needed function of our society. Until a lot happens in the world, the military keeps our nation safe. It's easy to say they don't when you live in a free country with a high standard of living (i know it doesn't seem like it sometimes) but they really do.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 11:55AM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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How is the military keeping me safe, Tracy? Also, children aren't soldiers--which is sort of the point.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 12:01PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know where you live but without military intervention, N. Korea would have been able to nuke the west coast or japan already. They may soon, just because our focus has been so far afield for so long. That's just one simple example, but yes, there are countries that would take our lack of military to simply take us over. It's history. There are countless examples.

The question is "What steps have you taken daily to prevent someone from coming and oppressing you" and if the answer is none, then someone else must be. The idea may sound ridiculous, but I am glad it is.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 12:22PM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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Look, Tracy--I'm not trying to attack you personally. I'm merely attempting to make a point. Since you asked, though, I have contacted my representatives numerous times with regard to encroachments on my liberty. More times, I imagine, than the average soldier. Additionally, I involve myself in online discussions such as this one to attempt to educate others. That is how I fight against oppression.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 11:46AM (Unverified) said

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@rowd149:

Simulation is a very important part of training. It's knowing what to expect that prevents people from getting killed in a combat situation. Before a solider gets to a combat zone they will have experienced simulated combat in varying degrees in all sorts of simulated warfare. The simulations will range from role play to having live weapons fired at them (a side note, I've never heard D&D players bitch about the Army's use of role play).

A video simulation, like America's Army is exceptionally effectivel in training and demonstrating the usefulness of strict squad tactics, which in turn provides the soldier in the faith in a technique needed to keep ones' head under fire and perform that technique strictly. It's PROVEN to be useful and increase comprehension in the recruits who have played it opposed to those who have not.

Also, in giving the soldier what to expect, America's Army does a bang up job. Have you played that thing? You have to go through training to do anything in that game and it's a big long boring wait through speeches by non-coms explaining the most trivial details of a job. Just like the real thing. Sigh.

Posted: May 26th 2009 11:51AM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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But why, Tracy, are we exposing children to military training?

Posted: May 26th 2009 11:57AM (Unverified) said

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Do you play first person shooters? Are you then advocating that this game type is banned?
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Posted: May 26th 2009 12:09PM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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Absolutely not, Tracy. I'm merely suggesting that perhaps it shouldn't be paid for by taxing civilians.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 12:13PM (Unverified) said

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So the military recruitment shouldn't happen because it's funded by civilians? What parts of the military should not happen because they are funded by civilians? There's dessert in the chow hall, do you oppose that? I know it's not the same, but the idea is that the military spends its budget in the most effective way possible.

At the end of the day, young people are needed in the military (18+). They make good soldiers. Recruiting is necessary. It makes the numbers needed in the military possible.

In your opinion, what should the military be doing to validate its use of taxpayer money?
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Posted: May 26th 2009 12:18PM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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How about not targeting children with video games? I'm sure it's effective--but there are other sorts of brainwashing techniques that are just as effective and don't target children. I'd be more willing to help pay for some of those.
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Posted: May 26th 2009 1:25PM s256 said

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"accurate" ?

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Posted: May 26th 2009 6:14PM Overgauss said

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Ameri-union holo-vid press previewlease on the Ameri-channel:

" Warning what you are about to see contains graphic depictions of religious imagery"

[begin video] A smartly if non-adventureously dressed reporter in a Nan-Tek Uni-suit reports.

"Marcus Svjord reporting live in front of what used to be the Ameri-union trade commission annex after it was savagely attacked by the chigs that dreadful Octnember day, Octnember 37th the Year of Our Enlightenment. Where an insectoid intelligence used bio-mechanization to destroy the city known as The Legs of Atlas, commonly reffered to as The Towers. The Towers have since been remade into an AU Army recruitment center and informatabase.

But now so called truthers challenge the ethics of such centers now popping up worldwide to combat a threat that they contend is entirely man-made. Evidence has shown that most of these 'truthers' belong to religious sects banned many centuries ago but now have a sort of immunity as the statute of exceeded exceeded expectations and limited limitations have now set in.

Speaking of evidence let's hear some of theirs from our stock holo-vid verified veri-real footage caps from last yearnium. Remember viewers, our holo-vids use tacti-sense technology and the religious iconography may be disturbing and graphic to young viewers."

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"Yes I'm a Redubyacan. George W. Bush was a great forefather, a savior of the Republican party and the visionary that gave rise to this great Ameri-union. So we took his name and honor his faith based politics by incorporating faith into our daily lives. And YES we grow chicken in our back meter where it can eat grass the way nature intended instead of slurping cryochic patches. Now I know you're going to try to use these facts to detract from my position that the attack on Atlas' legs from Klendathu on Octnember 37th was an inside job. The premise is really quite simple and sublimely elegant...and it goes something like this. How the fuck did some bugs from another galaxy just shit out a meteorite that flew across the galaxy and destroyed a city without being detected and pwnverized by the over-sat satellite defense system? HOW?"

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Posted: May 27th 2009 8:31AM miquonranger03 said

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I hate Franklin Mills Mall. Too much crime around there. They used to have a Rainforest Cafe, but now it's all garbage. Most of the people that go there will find this lucrative.

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