Hey, UFC fighters. Over here. Would you like to avoid appearing in a video game
without getting fired? We have the solution for you: Stop cutting your hair. According to
Fight! magazine (via
5thround.com), UFC fighter Clay Guida was cut from
UFC 2009: Undisputed because his trademark shaggy locks were causing clipping problems and creating issues with collision detection. THQ supposedly offered Guida money to trim his hair so that he could be included in the game, an offer Guida seemingly refused.
We applaud Guida for not (essentially) selling his hair to THQ, but come on, he had to be cut
because of his hair? Hasn't hair been in 3D fighting games since ... forever? Couldn't they have given his in-game model a headband or something? The mind reels ....
[Via
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{ May 28th 2009 at 7:00AM } 
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Clinton @ May 28th 2009 7:05AM
wow thats weak
Foetoid @ May 28th 2009 7:09AM
So i guess Shorty isn't going to make an appearance?:
http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2001/07/04/scary_movie_2/story.jpg
Premature ejaculation man @ May 28th 2009 7:13AM
I'd be scared of how much more damaging his hair could have been considering the game has enough collision detection and clipping issues already. Sure its not game breaking in its current state, but its pretty noticeable (at least the collision).
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 8:47AM
Funny because I haven't had any lag or clipping issues with the game. I think Yuke's did a fantastic job with the game. In fact, after playing UFC Undisputed and then trying the demo for Fight Night Round 4 I thought Fight Night was antiquated in comparison.
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 8:47AM
I'm not saying there isn't any but I honestly haven't noticed it at all.
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 9:14AM
Agreed, Johnny.
The game is great and I haven't noticed clipping or collision detection problems either.
Ben! @ May 28th 2009 9:24AM
I haven't noticed any clipping issues, but the collision detection can be a little poor. It's great when it comes to body parts interacting, but it often counts something as a hit when I wasn't within an inch of the guy's face.
Premature ejaculation man @ May 28th 2009 9:46AM
I suppose I misinterpreted the article so I apologise.
What I do notice though, is that a lot of the times I've played with my friends, is when we both attack at very similar times, the game has trouble. Either the person who went first with a quicker attack, gets hit instead or that animations go halfway and then go back to standing animation. Hard to describe.
Though the game is still awesome :)
ducttapeBigSexy @ May 28th 2009 7:14AM
Just think of other companies did this. "Hi, I'd like a cheeseburger." "They're too hard to make - we'll pay you if you order something else." "No, I want a cheeseburger." "Sorry, it's too hard, you're not getting one."
Uncontrol @ May 28th 2009 4:45PM
i went to a korean restaurant in toronto this week and ordered some soup with chicken and cabbage cakes and the waitress came out and said "the chef doesn't feel like making that today"
i left
R5 @ May 28th 2009 7:17AM
Hair = SERIOUS BUSINESS!
Bowser Rogozhin: Princess Nyah DF; Abigail Williams Slayer @ May 28th 2009 7:39AM
The consoles focussed on raw power still can't do convincing hair? I know decent water is still beyond most developers. It seems like hard work, and it probably is, but it's the little things like that that really bring me into the game world. Grass swaying in the wind, the odd unexpected reflection, glorious rain. A little work can go a long way.
Though, THQ taking shortcuts does not surprise me in the slightest.
Doreo @ May 28th 2009 9:42AM
If you want great water, you should check out a little game called hydrophobia. Of course, it was announced years ago and nothing has been mentioned since but there still is a trailer for it.
Patrick @ May 28th 2009 7:48AM
Haha, i wondered why there wasn't an option for longer hair in the game =P
waynski1457 @ May 28th 2009 7:52AM
And here I was waiting for Sho'nuff DLC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylCvCwn9OG8
Chris D.(PSN: Aggie_CEO | XBL:The Aggie CEO | Steam: Aggie_CEO @ May 28th 2009 8:28AM
"Am I The Prettiest?!??!!?"
helghast102 (Valkyria Chronicles and the anime OWN!) @ May 28th 2009 7:54AM
Wow, that's cheap.
Part of the reason i don't buy THQ games, they don't seem to want to actually "work" on the things.
WREturns @ May 28th 2009 8:02AM
Nice try, THQ...or should I call you DELILAH!?
Ryoga Vee @ May 28th 2009 8:13AM
Zing!
robotoid @ May 28th 2009 12:12PM
Hilarious biblical reference of the day = CHECK!
Everytime I hear about Samson I always think of it as a Greek mythology tale, and then I remember it's actually biblical.
Chris D.(PSN: Aggie_CEO | XBL:The Aggie CEO | Steam: Aggie_CEO @ May 28th 2009 8:09AM
I'm calling Bullshit...
WWE games have all KINDS of hair in them...and THQ seems to do them just fine...
Bowser Rogozhin: Princess Nyah DF; Abigail Williams Slayer @ May 28th 2009 8:13AM
I just looked at some youtube videos, you're talking out of your arse. Hair still looks like lumps of clay affixed to some awful trade beads. Nothing superior than what the Playstation/64 was capable of.
Chris D.(PSN: Aggie_CEO | XBL:The Aggie CEO | Steam: Aggie_CEO @ May 28th 2009 8:29AM
Ummmm Pick up Smackdown Vs Raw 2009 dude...the hair moves free form.....its not static like at all....
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 9:40AM
Like YOU said, its a wrestling game. It's not technical or anything. Look at the punches they throw in that game. They dont care about hit boxes when making those games.Thats hilarious that you would compare a fake entertainment show game to a real sport game.
Vidikron @ May 28th 2009 11:29AM
@xFenixKnightx
Is that meant to be sacasm or something? While WWE is certainly fake, both games are equally fake. That's a rather absurd argument to make.
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 11:54AM
*sigh
What part do you not understand? An MMA game, which is based off of a REAL sport with REAL judges and a point scoring system requires way more detail and precision than a wrestling game which is fake with no need for precision hit boxes. You do realize that in the UFC game you can go to a decision right?
rtabor724 @ May 28th 2009 12:14PM
Wrestling being "fake" and MMA being "real" have nothing to do with this argument, so stop proving a point that isn't even being debated, FenixKnight. The fact is, both are performed by real people, and therefore, when you're playing them on the Xbox or whatever, it needs to look like real people doing it. What is so damn hard to understand about that? Whether or not one game needs a scoring system or a more precise hit detection system, whether or not MMA's punches are real and wrestling's are pulled has absolutely nothing to do with the issue here.
Vidikron @ May 28th 2009 12:24PM
It's a stupid argument. WWE being fake has no bearing on the production of the game. Both games are fake imitations of their real life counterparts. They both have to deal with hit boxes and clipping in the same manner. Street Fighter is fake, so are going to argue that hit boxes and clipping don't matter in that series? I'm sure there are plenty of fans of the series that would disagree.
The argument you're trying to make is the same as trying to claim that hit boxes and clipping don't matter in a game like Unreal Tournament compared to CoD4 because UT is "fake"... "Yeah, who cares if the bullets actually hit you?".
Sorry, but it's utterly ridiculous argument to make. I'm honestly surprised you would attempt this. You're clearly letting your feelings about MMA vs Pro Wresting get in the way of rational thought here.
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 12:33PM
lol
Wrong I love wrestling, or at least...I used to love wrestling and its games :) And maybe its YOUR feelings about MMA vs Pro Wreslting getting in the way of rational thought here. lol
Okay, so THE SAME GUYS that make those wrestling games couldn't do it. There HAS to be a reason as to why right? Or do you think they were just "lazy"? You guys are bascially saying its the same thing when its clearly not! Yukes themselves not being able to do it just yet proves it. The only argument thats stupid here is yours. Get over it!
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 12:46PM
BTW, Vidi
There is no MMA vs "Pro" Wrestling rivalry. If there is (LOL) then I've never heard of it.
It's MMA vs Boxing...
Vidikron @ May 28th 2009 12:48PM
I don't know why they chose not to do it, but I don't see why it would have anything to do with MMA being real and WWE being fake. That's not even logical. THEY ARE BOTH FAKE BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH GAMES. It's really as simple as that. Can you give me a single logical reason why hair clipping in WWE would have to be handled differently than in an MMA game? I'd love to hear it because I can't think of a reason.
Look at it this way, you could make a wrestling game that was a much more technically proficient fighter than an MMA game or vice versa. It just depends on how much time and money your are willing to invest into each. As for my feeling about each, I don't give a shit. I don't watch either one. But I can see what it obvious here.
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 1:15PM
I think Fenix has a point that an MMA or boxing game is going to require more precise and accurate strikes than a wrestling game. The reason being is that they are real combat sports so they have to be as accurate as possible to real life.
Yuke's Osaka has made both games and presumably similar technology would be used for both of them. So, it's logical to say that the technology was there and there is a different reason that they weren't able to recreate long hair in an MMA game but can in a wrestling game.
The only plausible reasons they weren't able to do the long hair thing is because 1. They are lazy (not likely with how much detail went into the game already), 2. They didn't have the technology (false) and 3. Because they needed to have an accurate representation of the strikes and someone getting punched in the hair in an MMA game is unacceptable where as it's probably not as big of a deal in a wrestling game (most plausible).
The only thing that makes sense to me is that they wanted it to be an accurate representation of the sport and not have the player selecting a guy with long hair to have an unfair advantage.
The question is would it be acceptable for one game (wrestling) and unacceptable for another (mma)? For me, the only answer that makes sense is that one is a real combat sport that is a simulation and the other is a more styleized arcade like form of representation. Besides, a much larger portion of wrestlers have long hair than MMA fighters because of the tactical disadvantage of having said hair in an MMA match.
The reason they didn't include long hair is the same reason they didn't have the unorthodox stance in this iteration: It would have messed with the hit detection and caused an unfair advantage. I'm sure they will have plenty of time to work this type of stuff out before the next game and probably as a patch in this title.
I'm going to side more with Fenix on this argument unless someone can give some better insight as to why it's possible in one and not the other.
If someone has a reason thats more plausible I would love to hear it.
Thats just my 2 cents.
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 1:17PM
"Can you give me a single logical reason why hair clipping in WWE would have to be handled differently than in an MMA game?"
I gave you several but you might wanna shoot them an email...
http://www.yukes.co.jp/
"THEY ARE BOTH FAKE BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH GAMES."
Are they? I didn't know that, thanks for the heads up.
I bet theres just one huge hitbox on the wrestling games characters heads. Why? Because its fricken wrestling!!! There are no hooks, jabs, superman punches, uppercuts, headkicks, elbows, ETC!! All which require the fighter have a different reaction. In other words its easier to program for a wrestling game BECAUSE its fake and they don't do all that technical stuff. Theres no need for a top notch collision system like a UFC or FNR4 game requires.
Just stop talking already, fuck!
Vidikron @ May 28th 2009 1:24PM
@Kenny
I just don't see why you would have to have the hair as part of the hit box. Seems like you would not want it to be part of the hit box in both games... after all, you can hit my hair all day long and not do me one bit of harm.
Anyway, I haven't played either game, so I don't know how long hair behaves in any of the wrestling games. I'm curious now though.
Vidikron @ May 28th 2009 1:38PM
@Fenix
OK, I relent. Maybe the are treating them differently as far as hit boxes go. But they shouldn't be. Hitting someone's hair shouldn't be a "hit" in an MMA game or a wrestling game... that's just dumb. So if that is what Yuke's has done with wrestling games then, yes, they are just plain lazy and it came back to bite them in the MMA game.
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 1:49PM
Alright my bad for getting frustrated up there lol.
If you go back (youtube) and look at WWE vs Raw 2009 wrestlers with long hair like HHH or Undertaker, you can see how they treated it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asA_SL_a4sE&feature=PlayList&p=D178AFFB8CA48073&index=16
It's basically back behind their ears and necks with their face out in the open. The hair never hangs forward. I suppose they couldn't do this with Guida because he never has his hair back like that except for the postfight interviews. Its usually always hanging all up in his face covering his ears and neck. Huge hit box FTL...
urbanryoga @ May 28th 2009 2:40PM
Fenix
Stop. Please. Undertaker and HHH's hair is not like Guida's. If you read the article, Guida wouldn't compromise with his hairstyle. Therefore he wasn't going to make it slick back or cut it. There is no one on the WWE roster in the games that have hair like Guida Guida's hair is something that has never been dealt with.
On another note, since I won't be able to do a double hammer fist for ground and pound, I won't be buying this game. Lol.
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 7:44PM
Urbanyoga
You just repeated what Fenis said in his latest post. Good job, Ace.
acefondu @ May 28th 2009 8:11AM
Wow...hair? Really? Why not just make the hair and have it not be part of the hit-box seriously. Sure it causes the hair to be like Kat from X-Men as it goes through everything like how we see Batman's cape in most of his games (lots of superhero references for some reason) but shouldn't that work? I think it should.
smedrick @ May 28th 2009 8:12AM
That's pretty lame of THQ, but then again...some doofus didn't make it into a mediocre UFC game from THQ. Yeah, I'm struggling to care.
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 9:07AM
I would just say that it's the first MMA game from Yuke's (THQ) and all things considered they did a fantastic job. The overall UFC experience as well as the fighting styles are all there in their most accurate state. Perhaps the most impressive thing about the game is the depth and complexity of the control mechanics. I certainly wouldn't call it mediocre but thats just my opinion. Honestly it's probably my GOTY so far in 2009.
I have a couple of minor complaints but not anything that has ruined the experience. I think they could have sped up the gameplay a tad (not a lot but a little more) and there are also a few minor glitches that need to be patched up in online play. The most glaring glitch is when you or an opponent will be transitioning to another position on the ground and the animation will continuously loop until the round ends and neither fighter can break away. It doesn't happen often but it's happened a handful of times.
Ben! @ May 28th 2009 9:26AM
Yeah, the game's quite far from mediocre. It's really quite good, and has an 84 average on Metacritic
Mike @ May 28th 2009 4:42PM
Yeah, I saw the 84 on Metacritic and went and looked. I'd never heard of anyone who gave it anything above an 80.
Ryoga Vee @ May 28th 2009 8:12AM
LAZY Developers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jynxycat @ May 28th 2009 8:35AM
I've never even heard or seen this guy before.
I'm gonna throw this into the Don't Care pile.
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 8:52AM
Lot's of hate going around this morning for one of the better games this year and the most accurate representation of the sport I've seen to date including the previous UFC game and the Pride FC game.
Anyone who hasn't heard of Clay Guida probably isn't anything more than a casual MMA fan at best. The dude is a good fighte and is scheduled to fight Diego Sanchez at the ultimate fighter finale here soon. The winner of that fight will be next in line fo a title shot against the winner of Penn/Florian.
I can't say that I'm bummed by this news as I'm not a big fan of the "carpenter" Guida. It's funny because every fight he has during the intermission he always lets out these mammoth belching burps than cause tremors world wide. He is certainly the fighting pride of the Guida family as his brother Jason is constantly overweight and out of shape for his fights.
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 9:18AM
Johnny
Got the game on PS3 too now. Lets do this, TONIGHT!!! Seriously I'll be on tonight and I'll be waiting to kick your ass!
Have you made yourself in the create-a-fighter mode? I have to say its crazy how much my fighter looks like me. :) They did a great job with the cusomization. Currently 8-0 on my career.
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 9:25AM
Yeah I'll play you tonight.
I haven't done a CAF yet in the game. I might mess around with that today/tonight at some point. I mostly have just been doing player matches with my buddies but I've done maybe 10 or 11 ranked matches and I'm about .500 +/- 1. You might just kick my butt but I'll give it a good run.
WHo do you like to use best in the game? From my experience most people like playing as Forrest Griffin because he has the best all around stats and is strong in every category. When it comes to LHW I think Evans is probably one of the better fighters because like Griffin he is good (not great) in every category. However, my favorite fighters to play with are (you probably know) Rampage & BJ Penn. GSP is another one who has great rating but for some reason I always get my ass kicked when I play with him. Go figure.
But, I will for sure be on tonight and we can go at it ... probably some time around 9:00 CST or a little later .... send me a message and let me know when you'll be online.
xFenixKnightx @ May 28th 2009 9:49AM
Cool, yeah I'll send you a message. I like to play with
GSP
Rampage
BJ
Mir
Nog
Florian
So far on my 360 version I've made Fedor, Babalu, myself and Overeem. Check some cool looking ones here.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/5/21/882278/ufc-undisputed-career-mode
And a whole site dedicated to CAF's here.
http://ufc-caf.com/
Kenny Powers Fastball (PSN johnnynumber5) @ May 28th 2009 10:03AM
Fenix
Wow thats cool man ... I didn't even think of making those other guys ... great now I'm going to be making tons of non UFC fighters ... That Fedor one is the real deal. Looks just like him. The Rodgers one looked good as well.