Hey, UFC fighters. Over here. Would you like to avoid appearing in a video game without getting fired? We have the solution for you: Stop cutting your hair. According to Fight! magazine (via 5thround.com), UFC fighter Clay Guida was cut from UFC 2009: Undisputed because his trademark shaggy locks were causing clipping problems and creating issues with collision detection. THQ supposedly offered Guida money to trim his hair so that he could be included in the game, an offer Guida seemingly refused.
We applaud Guida for not (essentially) selling his hair to THQ, but come on, he had to be cut because of his hair? Hasn't hair been in 3D fighting games since ... forever? Couldn't they have given his in-game model a headband or something? The mind reels ....
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Posted: May 28th 2009 1:27PM (Unverified) said
Do you just like to throw the word "mediocre" for any game that isn't your style? IMO Undisputed has been the closest to doing UFC any justice. I was pleasantly surprised by the level of intricate controls for almost every given situation.
THQ apologizes for not making quarter circle forward, to do fireballs.
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THQ apologizes for not making quarter circle forward, to do fireballs.
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:22AM xFenixKnightx said
Haha yeah Im like 3-0 online with Fedor! Some guy online was like, "how did you unlock Fedor?" I said I made him lmao! Did you see the Couture, Jon Jones, Bas Rutten, Randleman, Shamrock and Carwin? Great creations but it takes time so I'm making 1 everyday. I wish Joystiq would let us post html or url pics.
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Posted: May 28th 2009 9:00AM Yeah TB said
How is this a weak attempt by THQ? This is a first year game in a franchise that had one specific fighter left out because of technical issues. It obviously wasn't worth the dev costs to spend a ton of time trying to fix one problem. Hopefully they figure out a good solution for next year's game.
However, Clay was one of the top guys I wanted to play as, so don't think I wasn't disappointed about the new. But I understand and am not going to whine that THQ sucks over it.
Why doesn't anyone complain that they had to remove the southpaw stance as well for the same reason?
However, Clay was one of the top guys I wanted to play as, so don't think I wasn't disappointed about the new. But I understand and am not going to whine that THQ sucks over it.
Why doesn't anyone complain that they had to remove the southpaw stance as well for the same reason?
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:18AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
"Why doesn't anyone complain that they had to remove the southpaw stance as well for the same reason?"
Great point. I've heard that is going to be fixed via patch but I don't really believe it. It's a shame but until my friend pointed out to me that Silva was fighting orthodox I didn't even notice. I know and I'll turn in my MMA geek card at the door. To me that is a really big deal and a much larger issue than the Guida thing.
I'm curious as to why Couture was omitted from the final roster. Maybe he was one of the few UFC fighters that wasn't required to sign away his likeness.
Now that Machida is LHW champion I wonder if they are going to patch in a pee drinking mini game.
http://www.blitzcorner.com/MMA/UFC-98-Lyoto-Machida-Drinks-His-Urine-Every-Morning
http://www.cagepotato.com/lost-translation-machida-says-he-drinks-his-own-urine%E2%80%A6every-day
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Great point. I've heard that is going to be fixed via patch but I don't really believe it. It's a shame but until my friend pointed out to me that Silva was fighting orthodox I didn't even notice. I know and I'll turn in my MMA geek card at the door. To me that is a really big deal and a much larger issue than the Guida thing.
I'm curious as to why Couture was omitted from the final roster. Maybe he was one of the few UFC fighters that wasn't required to sign away his likeness.
Now that Machida is LHW champion I wonder if they are going to patch in a pee drinking mini game.
http://www.blitzcorner.com/MMA/UFC-98-Lyoto-Machida-Drinks-His-Urine-Every-Morning
http://www.cagepotato.com/lost-translation-machida-says-he-drinks-his-own-urine%E2%80%A6every-day
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:30AM Yeah TB said
Haha yeah, I read about that this weekend. They could patch that into Career mode right alongside sparring.
My guess for Couture was that they couldn't sign him when he left UFC for that year, decided not to put him in the game, then by the time he came back it was too late to add him in. Although they are adding Bader and Escudero in, so who knows, I could be 100% wrong on the time part. Could be the likeness issue then.
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My guess for Couture was that they couldn't sign him when he left UFC for that year, decided not to put him in the game, then by the time he came back it was too late to add him in. Although they are adding Bader and Escudero in, so who knows, I could be 100% wrong on the time part. Could be the likeness issue then.
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:06AM (Unverified) said
80+ fighters realistically recreated for UFC 2009 and suddenly THQ is LAZY for leaving out one?
Wow, just can't please whiners, huh?
Wow, just can't please whiners, huh?
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:08AM StormEagle said
Development Fail. That's probably the real reason their VP of Marketing left...they couldn't accept his long flowing locks either.
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:17AM Ralph23 said
who is the asian chick in the background?
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:30AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
Just some chick. She isn't anyone special in the organization. Well, she is probably special but in a different kind of way.
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Posted: May 28th 2009 9:35AM xFenixKnightx said
That's Arianny Celeste. A UFC Ring Girl. She's Mexican BTW. Soooooooo hot! Want to touch the hiney!
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o214/evilsonic13/Arianny.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/apacheco1306/smallarianny.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l138/jesters91/fights/arianny_celeste3.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/Bambi300/633667746000000000.jpg
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/cycy6484/arianny-celeste-l5.jpg
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http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o214/evilsonic13/Arianny.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/apacheco1306/smallarianny.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l138/jesters91/fights/arianny_celeste3.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/Bambi300/633667746000000000.jpg
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/cycy6484/arianny-celeste-l5.jpg
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:50AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
I'm pretty sure thats not Arianny.
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Posted: May 28th 2009 9:53AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
I'm just about 100% positive thats not Arianny or any other current UFC ring girl.
Current UFC Ring Girls:
Arianny Celeste: http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_la
rge/2008/11/26/arianny_celeste_hh_2008_01.jpg
Edith Larente: http://www.kickassmma.com/images/ufc-87-edith-1.jpg
Logan Stanton: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zgFF8nROMZ0/SVvlLDuyD2I/AAAAAAAAFy
Q/EcgZtUvwOlE/s1600-h/logan-stanton-1.jpg
Current UFC Ring Girls:
Arianny Celeste: http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_la
rge/2008/11/26/arianny_celeste_hh_2008_01.jpg
Edith Larente: http://www.kickassmma.com/images/ufc-87-edith-1.jpg
Logan Stanton: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zgFF8nROMZ0/SVvlLDuyD2I/AAAAAAAAFy
Q/EcgZtUvwOlE/s1600-h/logan-stanton-1.jpg
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:54AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
damn ... that was meant to be a reply to Ralph
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Posted: May 28th 2009 9:56AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
the links also got busted ...
Logan
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zgFF8nROMZ0/SVvlLDuyD2I/AAAAAAAAFyQ/EcgZtUvwOlE/s1600-h/logan-stanton-1.jpg
Arianny:
http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2008/11/26/arianny_celeste_hh_2008_01.jpg
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Logan
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zgFF8nROMZ0/SVvlLDuyD2I/AAAAAAAAFyQ/EcgZtUvwOlE/s1600-h/logan-stanton-1.jpg
Arianny:
http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2008/11/26/arianny_celeste_hh_2008_01.jpg
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:08AM xFenixKnightx said
Dude thats Arianny trust me. Thats an ooooold pic when she used to do her hair like that and the blonde right behind him is Ex-UFC ring girl Ali Sonoma (Diego Sanchez' girl)
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/dennispaul1975/BELTS/UFCBeltgirls.jpg
Logan is plain as fuck BTW. Not even in Logan/Ariannys league.
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http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/dennispaul1975/BELTS/UFCBeltgirls.jpg
Logan is plain as fuck BTW. Not even in Logan/Ariannys league.
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:11AM xFenixKnightx said
She's also a quarter Phillipino as she stated in her Maxim shoot vid so thats why she has that asian look.
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Posted: May 28th 2009 10:07AM Emil K said
I heard this a while ago. I thought I read it on Joystiq. Maybe I read it on Giant Bomb. But yeah, sucks that Guida was cut from the game because of this.
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:26AM (Unverified) said
This is part of what I find utterly ridiculous about this game and I'm glad at least some of the problems with Undisputed are beginning to get some coverage. There's the quitting problems then there's the issue of balancing realism with the fact that his is a video game.
Take for instance flash ko's or the fact that you can't do a fighter vs fighter match. Of course you can't because that wouldn't be realistic, however there are no southpaws in the game and no one can switch fighting stances. This was also another issue with the collision detection system. You see the same "hair" issues with fighter Evan Tanner, who at the time of his recent passing was sporting a sweet beard and regularly had long hair but not in this game, and with the create a fighter system.
Take for instance flash ko's or the fact that you can't do a fighter vs fighter match. Of course you can't because that wouldn't be realistic, however there are no southpaws in the game and no one can switch fighting stances. This was also another issue with the collision detection system. You see the same "hair" issues with fighter Evan Tanner, who at the time of his recent passing was sporting a sweet beard and regularly had long hair but not in this game, and with the create a fighter system.
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:45AM xFenixKnightx said
I have 2 issues with the game. Quitting in ranked and the fact that someone can keep you in the mount postion over and over and over again without getting tired of blocking you when you try to transition.
There are players out there that only try to do this and thats stupid as hell. I'm like why are you even playing if your just going to do the same move? Yesterday I had someone quit on me on a player match right when I beat him. I sent him a message asking him why would he quit in A PLAYER MATCH?!! lmao! I love everything else about it. I love when someone is commited to mixing it up and the fight goes everywhere. Awesome stuff!
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There are players out there that only try to do this and thats stupid as hell. I'm like why are you even playing if your just going to do the same move? Yesterday I had someone quit on me on a player match right when I beat him. I sent him a message asking him why would he quit in A PLAYER MATCH?!! lmao! I love everything else about it. I love when someone is commited to mixing it up and the fight goes everywhere. Awesome stuff!
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:42AM Roncore said
remember that article a while back saying they were using a new revolutionary engine for cloth and hair in the latest UFC game? What happened?
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:47AM xFenixKnightx said
I think that was just for cloth not hair. The cloth does look really great though.
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Posted: May 28th 2009 10:47AM (Unverified) said
Funny enough, Guida was offered $10,000 by UFC President Dana White to cut his hair so he could be in the game. Guida refused to cut his locks though, claiming that they are part of his personality.
Posted: May 28th 2009 10:52AM (Unverified) said
If they could put Koscheck in, I don't see how Guida could've been a problem.
Posted: May 28th 2009 11:05AM (Unverified) said
Kos' hair is just a little frizzy on top, Clay's flops around in front of his face. His hair would have to move to be in the game and if you punched his hair it would register a hit.
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Posted: May 28th 2009 11:26AM (Unverified) said
Lazy bastards. How about, you know, you fix your f'in game instead of taking the easy way out.
Posted: May 28th 2009 12:31PM Magic Whiskey said
Overlooking the fact I don't care about UFC, I'll comment simply that I'm hoping the next iteration of consoles can handle...hair. *sigh*.
It's my old gripe, but yeah. Hair, wind, cloth, etc. Just real-world physics in general. Give me the real stuff in games already!
It's my old gripe, but yeah. Hair, wind, cloth, etc. Just real-world physics in general. Give me the real stuff in games already!
Posted: May 28th 2009 1:38PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
I guess it all depends on the engine and the priority of those effects to the designers. There are some games that do hair simulations really well so it's not like the consoles can't handle them. But, if you are looking for super realistic hair that is pretty much independent of each straind then you are going to be waiting for a while. I also can't wait for the true next big breakthrough in physics simulations. The graphics are getting there and eventually there will be a breakthrough in hair, skin, grass, sand etc etc.
I just don't think it's a big priority especially if the scope of the game is so large that other things take precedent. The game Flower had some really nice physics with the grass and stuff.
I did computer animation in college and just to model, animate and render that stuff out was very difficult so I could't imagine a rig that could handle that type of simulation in real time in game. But, I don't know much about game design other than a few characters and levels we created in college. My forte was more of compositing and video editing. Now I sell real estate ... go figure.
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I just don't think it's a big priority especially if the scope of the game is so large that other things take precedent. The game Flower had some really nice physics with the grass and stuff.
I did computer animation in college and just to model, animate and render that stuff out was very difficult so I could't imagine a rig that could handle that type of simulation in real time in game. But, I don't know much about game design other than a few characters and levels we created in college. My forte was more of compositing and video editing. Now I sell real estate ... go figure.
Posted: May 28th 2009 12:33PM (Unverified) said
That's a real shame. Judging by the picture above, I'd really enjoy beating the shit out of this guy... :(
Posted: May 28th 2009 2:28PM (Unverified) said
Christ, it was a joke. You know nothing about me "asshat." Get over yourself.
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Posted: May 28th 2009 12:37PM DX2069 said
this is because thq sucks at makin games like saints row and smackdown vs raw and who can forget legends of wrestlemania wow that game was realllllyyyy bad
Posted: May 28th 2009 1:30PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
I'm just going to play Devils Advocate here. I know you think THQ sucks but lets look at the games you mentioned.
UFC Undisputed 85 metacritic average
Saints Row 1 has an 81 metacritic average
Saints Row 2 has an 82 metacritic average
Smackdown vs Raw 2009 has an 79 metacritic average
Legends of Wrestlemania has a 71 metacritic average
So, from that list all of their are above average except for one which is just below average. Sometimes perception is far worse than reality. Now, I haven't played the wrestling games so I cant speak about their quality but the other three games are quite good.
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UFC Undisputed 85 metacritic average
Saints Row 1 has an 81 metacritic average
Saints Row 2 has an 82 metacritic average
Smackdown vs Raw 2009 has an 79 metacritic average
Legends of Wrestlemania has a 71 metacritic average
So, from that list all of their are above average except for one which is just below average. Sometimes perception is far worse than reality. Now, I haven't played the wrestling games so I cant speak about their quality but the other three games are quite good.
Posted: May 28th 2009 1:56PM iceveiled said
Wow...a very talented figher (and by far one of the most entertaining and energetic fighters to ever grace the octagon PERIOD) was cut because the developers can't program hair.
WEAK.
WEAK.
Posted: May 28th 2009 9:39PM Chasmang said
There are so many people in this topic who need to actually PLAY this game instead of being hypocrites by calling THQ lazy. UFC 2009 Undisputed has incredible gameplay and presentation, presentation which the company obviously didn't want to compromise whenever Guida enters the Octagon.
Some people claim they should just put the hair in and make his head the hitbox like everyone else, but that would result in this ridiculous looking mass of magic hair that transcends space by clipping through everything it touches.
Go out and play the game. See how well THQ handled the sport of UFC and how great the game looks and how well it does in replicating the experience of watching an actual fight, THEN come back and claim THQ is "lazy" for not putting Guida in. If you still complain, you're just an idiot who can't appreciate a game that's trying to do more than meet the status quo.
Some people claim they should just put the hair in and make his head the hitbox like everyone else, but that would result in this ridiculous looking mass of magic hair that transcends space by clipping through everything it touches.
Go out and play the game. See how well THQ handled the sport of UFC and how great the game looks and how well it does in replicating the experience of watching an actual fight, THEN come back and claim THQ is "lazy" for not putting Guida in. If you still complain, you're just an idiot who can't appreciate a game that's trying to do more than meet the status quo.
Posted: May 28th 2009 8:23PM (Unverified) said
Playstation 5 and XBox 4 will finally be able to render Clay Guida's hair perfectly. He probably won't be active any more at the time the consoles release. :P
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