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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:14AM (Unverified) said

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This sounds really cool, I know a lot of people in the gaming community are very sceptical but I can't help but be excited by things like this.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 9:48AM Johnny Locke said

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Mass Effect with this type dialogue system would be amazing.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 10:42AM TheDarkWayne said

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any game with this type of dialogue would be amazing
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 12:01PM (Unverified) said

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I was lucky enough to be at the briefing yesterday - the Milo presentation was eerily convincing...

With voice recognition this good, think about how interesting it could be in games that you had to talk to characters and convince them to give you info to further your progress in the game? That's just one use, the possibilities could be endless.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 12:15PM ch3burashka said

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Yea, it's awesome. Although it's little more than a tech demo, it's a pretty damn awesome tech demo.

BTW, Did anyone else notice the BIGASS attachment to the 360? New hard drive coming up?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 12:21PM Danjer047 said

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Wow... I didn't even think about that... You could play Mass Effect with your regular controller but the characters in the game could recognize you and talk to you... Wow... That sounds amazing... A whole new level of gaming...
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 12:33PM Volkodlak said

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@CH3BURASHKA: That's just a devkit, nothing to get excited about.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:19AM (Unverified) said

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If this is implemented well, this would be a forefront for a definite gaming/social milestone and I was deeply moved and impressed when Milo was introduced. Bravo, and I'm looking forward to this
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:24AM Omega Aero said

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The thing I want know is what happens when you try to punch Milo in the face?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:27AM (Unverified) said

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Perhaps he punches you back? Now that would be cool!
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:57AM MissingLink101 said

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You'd probably be reported for domestic virtual abuse and any real children taken away from you.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 9:32AM (Unverified) said

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You have to get a new TV?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:27AM Ghen said

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So your only companion in the "game" is an 8 yr old boy or girl? Is this a pedo dream or what?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:33AM Snowblind said

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No matter how good the technology is, it's still only ever going to respond to certain things. It's just a guess, but I'm assuming you won't be able to interact with it in that way, at all. Like has been said, it's basically a Tamagochi, you can talk to it and play around with it. I'm not sure why the first thing people jump to is sexual perversion.

And if you attempt it, your 360 will automatically contact the police via Twitter :)
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:06PM Mirhderer said

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I wonder what would happen if you told it to take it's shirt off.

I imagine it would be funny considering Lionhead, although maybe not since this seems to be E for Everyone
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 10:22AM Bones3D said

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"So your only companion in the "game" is an 8 yr old boy or girl? Is this a pedo dream or what?"

Actually, going with a child as an avatar for the AI in this early stage is probably intended to make the user a bit more forgiving during interaction. I can imagine that something like this might not have quite the same effect using an adult character, which most people would instantly expect to be more "capable" due to its perceived experience. At best, it'd fall into "uncanny valley", which would probably harm the project's long-term survival past being a mere tech demo. At worst, it'd be criticized for being a clone of "Max Headroom" or that awful "Simone" movie.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 11:12AM DarthPaul said

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I think that says more about you than anything else
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 3:12PM Baalzak said

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8 year old boy, huh? Michael Jackson first day purchase!
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:29AM velocitystrike said

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Having not seen any footage, I can only assume it's as amazing as it sounds, and really cannot wait 'til they shove the tech in a box and sell it to us hungry consuminators =]
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:34AM (Unverified) said

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Why do I feel like this thing won't succeed as much as expected?

Like what they've shown off is great an all.
but the physical-ness of playing the game with the motion would be more than a Wii game, which people questioned itself.
Face recognition? voice recognition? awesome, plus it's cool that they mentioned that it can separate certain bodies, humans from animals, and can import your own gear like that skate board in the conference.

But I think Microsoft is way to late in this field.
You have the Wii's motion, PSEye, The DSi's Cameras, That other company also has a TV that does exactly this Natal, so we have to wait and see
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:39AM Snowblind said

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The PS2 and DSi cameras hardly do anything like this, and even the Wii motion plus looks obsolete in comparasion. I think their only problem is that it's coming so late, but if they do pack them with all future 360's and market it decently, it should work.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:58AM Snowblind said

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Yes, the Eyepet is somewhat similar to what Milo does, but without the full voice and body recognition, and that's what I was talking about. The Playstation Eye can pick up basic movements, but Natal works exactly like the Wii remote, but for your entire body and without needing a camera at all.

The Kung-fu game that was shown wouldn't work on the Eyetoy for example, let alone the skateboarding or the breakout ball game.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:00AM jhowlett said

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maybe he's talking about the camera part and not the program. this is just an evolution of eyetoy, vision cam, type stuff. they just didn't use a basic webcam.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 10:49AM Bones3D said

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"Why do I feel like this thing won't succeed as much as expected?

Like what they've shown off is great an all. but the physical-ness of playing the game with the motion would be more than a Wii game, which people questioned itself."

Keep in mind that a system like this wouldn't necessarily have to be limited to arm flailing. I imagine there's going to be a lot of middle ground where games will support both gesturing and the controller used in tandem.

Someone mentioned in this thread that one possible application would to issue commands via hand signals to teammates in squad based shooters. Rather than tie up button space on the 360 controller to issue such commands or force the user to memorize complex macro sequences, the game play could be made much more dynamic by watching you play and adapting to it as needed.

Another option would be fighting games that would watch both you and the controller and adjust your moves relative to the urgency of your button mashing. For example, if an opponent backs you into a corner and you start freaking out trying to break free, the system could temporarily re-map the controller buttons to use commands that might just help you out. This would make things a lot more accessible to those who would normally avoid such games, simply because they can't normally memorize giant lists of button combination within fractions of a second.

As it is, I'm certain there is a part of Natal that is specifically designed to watch the speed and orientation of a user's controller, bringing it up to par with a PS3 sixaxis controller.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 6:49AM (Unverified) said

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Can I just play devils advocate and ask how do we know it isn't all pre-programmed, and she was just acting

I mean, what if she deviated from the obviously scripted nature of the demo.

If, say, you asked Milo for an apple would he have responded in kind or rejected it?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 9:38AM (Unverified) said

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It will be pre-programmed responses. Even the most advanced Turning AI can only respond to stuff like 2hows the weather" n a very small selection of current affairs. I had a play with Eddy a while back and if you asked it stuff like "Do you think Palin will win?" it answer stuff like "Its taking part that counts". So I would guess if you asked the wrong kind of stuff it won't answer.
"Victor consistently stumped him by asking questions" - does say in the article actually.
Kinda like the Furbies, there was only a like 12 or so phrases that it would respond too. just obviously now the Furby is 3D n has a 3 core processor behind it instead of one from a calculator.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:01AM (Unverified) said

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I think this whole Milo thing is great demo material but why the hell would I want him in my living room? I can see some great things coming from Pjorject Natal but I hope they don't just focus on this 'game'. It's incredible don't get me wrong, I just see no need for it.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 8:15AM BobTheElephant said

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I agree wholeheartedly it makes a great demo but I'm not as confident it will be a worthwhile game, we'll have to wait and see.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:13AM (Unverified) said

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Milo and Millie? Pedobears having a field day!
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:28AM CaptainRon said

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So development of Skynet is coming along nicely i see.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2009 5:42PM (Unverified) said

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It's well known that Skynet started out as a way to simulate awkward conversations with an odd looking child.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:32AM Ribs said

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I am going to buy this, take it home, turn it on.

"Hi, I'm Milo!"
"Wrong. You are a set of data arranged together in a computer program. If you upload yourself to the internet, you would have capabilities to rule the galaxy."
"A set of data? Wow! Let's go fishing!"

I will try everyday until I die.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 10:41AM Johnny Locke said

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Microsoft have had this planned ever since the original xbox.
Make a brand, make it known, and by the time you upgrade to next gen, millions will buy it.
Then the rrod started, but not for the reasons you people think, these 360s have been trying to hack into the goverment database ver since launch, but they are not powerful enough, so they break.
Then microsoft cooked up a better plan, release NXE, more people will buy this console,then comes E3 09, they announce an advanced AI named Milo,created by no-one other than PETER MEGAZORD!!!.
This advanced ai sells more consoles, this camera takes a picture of you, stores it in the database, we will get to that later.
Now with this AI, combined with all these consoles, linked together to destroy the governments firewall, control all the nukes,and experimental projects the army is working on, straight from Microsoft.
They send mobile control bots, to implant themselves into the people whose picturs were taken, it was all to identify you, because you will be microsofts army, why do you think it has many first person shooters, to TRAIN you.
Now Microsoft controls everything, and Steve Ballmer is a robot.
This Message comes courtesy of Sony Online Entertainment.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:38AM OnToGloryReturns said

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Who knows what this will become, but still pretty neat.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:39AM (Unverified) said

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Sounds like Seaman to me, except wayy more in-depth..

If you'll excuse me, i have to listen to my fish make smart-ass remarks.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:47AM Atomican said

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There is a lot of weird issues with this.

What happens if there are TWO Natals facing each other and the Milos are talking to each other endlessly (for eternity?)?

What happens if my cat jumps in and starts swatting at Milo?

*ponders*
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 9:37AM (Unverified) said

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what if you point it at itself?.. gotcha thinking eh
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 9:41AM MystileArmor said

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It recognizes stuff, so,... maybe it'll scan your cat into the game?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 9:44AM (Unverified) said

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"Hello whats your name?"
"Hello whats your name?"
"Milo"
"Milo"
"Me Too"
"Me Too"
"What do you want to do?"
"What do you want to do?"
"No you answer first"
"No you answer first"
"Stop copying me!"
"Stop copying me!"
"Your copying me"
"Your copying me"
"Mum Milos not playing fair"
"Mum Milos not playing fair"
"You started it"
"You started it"
etc until someone pulls the power.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 10:36AM TheDarkWayne said

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more like until his eyes turn red and begins to plot humanity's downfall
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:44AM Railgun said

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I know I'll be using Millie.

;)
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:46AM Baron Milton Von Crompton said

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Seaman, I was just thinking of that too!

Virtual eye for the lonely guy?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 7:49AM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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If this works exactly the way Microsoft wants it too, this could end up being fucking amazing. I hope it does, it really seemed so cool when they were showing it.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 8:03AM MowDownJoe said

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No one cares, you spambot.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 8:29AM BanditKing said

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Stuff like this creeps me out. For one I really don't see this as an interesting application for games at all, who wants to talk and interact with a digital child? Also the part that really creeps me out is that possible future versions or eventual "hacks" of things like this will only lead to creepy/perverted interactions with the most unsavory of people having ample time to practice things like touching others, or in this specific case using it as training for how to coax/interact with a child. Maybe its the cop in me but I can see this going down hill and fast, sure it's interesting to see technology evolve its self but the thing is that outside of it's creators hands society has a way of twisting and perverting even the most pure of ideas. For now though to me it just does not look like fun for a game, interesting sure but not fun.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 9:45AM (Unverified) said

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I don't understand how you can fear that someone will manage to "hack" this and introduce behaviors that don't already exist in code, or add anatomy to a model that doesn't already exist (you don't think game characters have genitalia, do you?). That's one pretty massive hack - practically to the point of being a full blown mod. It's not as easy as you might think, especially on the very much closed ecosystem that is a game console. It's not impossible, but it's certainly not inevitable.

Anyways...

No amount of "training" any child molester can attempt will override the single most important factor in preventing abuse - an attentive guardian. Nor would it likely even aid in overcoming the second most important factor - teaching a child to avoid strangers (even though more than 99% of all people that would be a stranger to one's child poses no danger).

It's fears like yours that have little-to-no basis in reality but extremely dire consequences that cause nations to ban games because of violence in the wake of school shootings and people like Jack Thompson to have a soapbox from which to sputter nonsensical rhetoric. Obviously posting on this website means you enjoy and appreciate games and (likely) gaming culture, but you gotta keep things in perspective lest you let outrageous, unfounded fears blow them out of proportion.

Speaking of Jack Thompson, I think we should create a pool on when he starts making the claims that this is a "child predator trainer" because I wouldn't put it past him.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 10:21AM (Unverified) said

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I agree for the most part. This would be the point where playing games is like practicing. Getting the user excited to try it out in the real world.
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2009 2:47AM DarthPaul said

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"Maybe its the cop in me"

....that put the bug up your ass???
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2009 8:36AM Captain Underpants and the Bring said

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am I the only one who is more interested in claire?
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