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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:35PM (Unverified) said

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Kitty Dragon definitely looks better now
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 4:05PM Enigma777 said

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and the kid doesn't look mexican anymore
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 5:22PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Thats usually what happens when you go to a beauty palour
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 6:23PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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In a way it kind of reminds me of the never ending story. The riding of the kitty dragon and all. This was certainly the highlight of E3 for me and I think this is going to be one of the most emotionally involving games ever crafted. I can already feel a strong bond to both characters just from the short trailer.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 6:27PM NightElve said

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@dgknight500

Because all us Mexicans we have that same skin color right? Dumb ass.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 7:13PM Negativecool said

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Night Elve-

Only a dumbass would deny that certain nationalities and different races have specific differences in appearance. The boy happened to share common physical characteristics as Mexican hispanics.

Quit pretending to be offended and self-righteous, you're not very good at it.


On Topic-
Any game that forces me to fall in love with a Falcore-esque type character is A+ in my book.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 11:55PM Accessgranted said

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Looks more like a puppy dragon to me...
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 2:41AM PR0F3TA said

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wait what the ****

first off, Negativecool can suck my mexican **** ...you ****ing gringo.

Second, Quit masking your insecurities about how white you are, just because YOU don't get the concept of racism does not mean it does not exist. What exactly qualifies as "Mexican Hispanic" physical characteristics? because he is brown? a round face? please tell me i'm dying to know.... for all i know he looks Egyptian, Native American or even South American.

sorry about our self-righteousness, its just what happens when you actually have a heritage and past to be proud of...
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 4:09AM Negativecool said

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Prof3ta-

Wow dude, I just made the simple inarguable point that different races and different cultures can have physical characteristics that differentiate themselves from others. I said nothing that warranted racial/ethnocentric insults on your part.

Hispanic and Mexican are not the same thing. Hispanic references anyone of spanish speaking origin; hence "Mexican" hispanic" is a specific qualification of which type. Stay on topic you antagonistic fuckwit.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 10:47AM BIGGEN said

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why does it seem like the only people that are overly offended by comments regarding race, are the ones that put words in peoples' mouths to make their comment seem racist? seems you all have the problem with your race, not anyone else.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 11:25AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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If people avoid making general claims and statements about things then maybe it would be less insulting, the same way calling a Korean japanese or chinese because they look similar is insulting for an example. Unless you are in your own surroundings whereby you can feel free to make all the ignorant claims you want, except to offend people. The idea is to learn from your mistake and make others aware of it so they too do not fall into the trap.

Its not just race, its culture, religeon etc etc, these are all precious to people, so if you are going to make flying statements, make sure its 100% fact.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 3:57PM BIGGEN said

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If people avoid making general claims and statements about things then maybe it would be less insulting, the same way calling a Korean japanese or chinese because they look similar is insulting for an example. Unless you are in your own surroundings whereby you can feel free to make all the ignorant claims you want, except to offend people. The idea is to learn from your mistake and make others aware of it so they too do not fall into the trap.

Its not just race, its culture, religeon etc etc, these are all precious to people, so if you are going to make flying statements, make sure its 100% fact.

so lemme get this straight. you can't say someone looks mexican because they have certain characteristics that mexicans have. you can't say someone is african american because they might just actually be african, not american. you can't say that a chinese person is japanese because, even though their traits are almost identical, they are not (koreans are obviously korean), but when it comes to generalizing white people, all of the above can make all the "flying statements" and "ignorant claims" they want? because it happens, constantly, so your logic is very flawed. i am italian, but in the eyes of blacks, mexicans, etc., i'm just a white person. but i don't get all bent out of shape about it because i'm secure with myself. and if they were too, they wouldn't get all bent out of shape about a simple generalization. if someone's race, heritage, culture, is something they are proud of, then they won't over analyze every simple thing someone says, turn it into something offensive, and put words in their mouth so they can back themselves up.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 5:01PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@ BIGGEN (LIVE-PSN: BIGGEN1103)

Think about it, blacks = Anyone black, its not racist, its not generalising, its not insulting unless used in that way, the same goes for whites. When it comes to countries and more specific terms, thats when you have to be careful.

I have carribean heritage, fullstop, I may have had ancestors hundreds of years ago from Africa, but as far as I'm concerned I'm a carribean black living in England, so the correct term for me is carribean-british, and thus this is how I fill in forms and such. I'm not african, so don't call me african, if you called me african I WOULD be insulted because by that statement, either you are trying to be insulting or you are just plain ignorant and believe all blacks have just come from Africa. The same way you'll have african(heritage)-americans(nationality). Its not a flawed statement at all, because by your theory, if I was to call someone European even though they were born in America and thier family too, they too would be rather bothered by that, because either I'm doing it to annoy them, or I simply just didn't know America consisted of white people amongst others.

"you can't say someone looks mexican"

If you are basing being mexican on skin colour alone, no, if it is a specific trait and its proven then yeah, you could. Like I said, I don't mind being called black, I am black, but I'm not African.

"because they have certain characteristics that mexicans have"

Yeah, but the original comment wasn't based on several characteristics, it was based purely on skin colour, thats like assuming all whites are the same and come from the same place, greeks and Italians would be insulted by that statement.

"you can't say someone is african american because they might just actually be african, not american"

Thats not what I said was it?

"you can't say that a chinese person is japanese because, even though their traits are almost identical, they are not (koreans are obviously korean)"

Well go ahead and see if you don't offend someone.

"but when it comes to generalizing white people, all of the above can make all the "flying statements" and "ignorant claims" they want?"

No, and if you were that bothered by it, you would enlighten and educate people who make those flying statements, I have a diverse group of friends, if I can respect them and thier cultures, races, backgrounds etc while at the same time having as much fun as anyone else and thier friends, so can others. People without knowledge make statements that may offend, people that are stupid continue to make that statement even after they have been informed and enlightened, its as simple as that.

"i am italian, but in the eyes of blacks, mexicans, etc., i'm just a white person."

See what I mean? I mentioned this above, using italians as an example without even seeing you had mentioned it. And the thing is, whether you dont or do get all bent out of shape when someone generalizes you, thats your personal problem, I live by the theory that if you were really proud of what you are and what you believe in, you will defend it to the end. The same way you would defend your girlfriend if she was disrespected, the same way you would defend your favourite car if someone said it was shit, the same way you would defend your favourite console or game if others think its crap (fanboys), the same way you would defend your country if others had a general assumption that everyone there lived a certain way. Eg. Americans being fat, Italians all being in the mafia, English all drinking tea, and other insulting assumptions. Okay, these are the more drastic situations, but it all starts somewhere. Just because you don't care to enlighten people as to who you are, doesn't mean I can't, it doesn't mean Night Elve can't, and it's a shame you don't get bothered by these things because my mother works with some of the proudest Italians I have ever seen, and for that I have a damn incredible amount of respect for them and urge to learn more about them
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 5:14PM (Unverified) said

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@PR0F3TA

Thanks for making us look bad. There's pride in cultural heritage, and there's ignorant self-righteousness; you are the latter, worse of any kind.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 5:21PM (Unverified) said

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@ Maverick

"If you are basing being mexican on skin colour alone, no, if it is a specific trait and its proven then yeah, you could. Like I said, I don't mind being called black, I am black, but I'm not African."

Its more appropiate to call someone Hispanic if basing it by the skin color. As you say, its the same as calling someone who is black African, it can offend some people.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 6:10PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@ ArchiGamer

Exactly, very true.
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Posted: Jun 8th 2009 2:17PM (Unverified) said

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its more like a chihuahua
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Posted: Jun 8th 2009 3:24PM rapidix said

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mav 2 - biggen 0
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Posted: Jun 9th 2009 9:37AM (Unverified) said

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Actually, I'm calling all you whiny bitches africans, because you are. Mitochondrial Eve is your super fucking great grandmother and mine as well. She's everyone on this god forsaken planet's common ancestor and she's from glorious Africa.

Jesus Christ, find something else to get your soaking wet panties in a bunch about you insecure sniveling pricks.

I got one for you. I still say he's South American/Mexican/Mayan/Incan what-the-hell-ever, because based on his clothing there are cultural design memes that seem to align with those places.

If everyone cared as much about people dying, starving and suffering as they do about their "heritage" or "race" we'd have a much better place to live. Not that those things aren't important, but in the big scheme of things it's trivial, or should be anyway.

So yes, in short, I'm saying you are all self important ethnocentric wastes-of-life.

Cheers.

On topic, if this is nearly as good as Ico and SOTC then it gets a permanent spot in my 50 games of all time Case Logic sleeve.

The emotion and atmosphere in those games was so affecting it was unbelievable. Those are the game I always point to when people and critics claim that games won't approach the same emotional involvement that music and cinema do. That and FFVII.

Can't wait for this one.



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Posted: Jun 10th 2009 2:52PM corei7 said

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@Maverick Saturn:
Totally agree!
+1000000 points!
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:37PM Lekko said

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The Last ICO? noooooo!!!
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 10:49PM The Monarch said

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I C WAT U DID THAR
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 12:21PM fanchax said

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NOO i was thinking the same thing BUT YOU BEAT ME TO THE POST!
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Posted: Jun 8th 2009 3:52PM letherclad said

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haha, i thought that too
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:41PM Magetto1 said

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Man, I don't know if I want to play this because you just know the cat dragon will probably die at the end.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:44PM Mr Slayer said

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:(
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:47PM Baron Milton Von Crompton said

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My sentiments exactly! In fact, I was going to comment on his death... but you beat me to it. :) The music and everything dictates this...

I mean, I don't fancy buying a PS3, just to cry my eyes out, heh. He's just so cute, reminds me of my kitty, who's not a Dragon by the way.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:47PM T Crespo said

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i am thinking the boy is going to die, then the creature will go off and die alone
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 4:16PM Shmil said

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I like Ludwig's prediction that the cat dragoon will turn out to be evil and you have to kill it.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 4:20PM LaughingTarget said

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The cat-dragon is YOUR FATHER!
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 5:11PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Laughing, if I found that out, I'd become the next Sephiroth
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 6:02PM ch3burashka said

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But when it dies, it will die for a good cause, and you will be in that smiling-but-crying state, the best kind of crying.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 11:59PM (Unverified) said

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Its not all that bad, I am sure there will be a girl to make up for kitty dragon's death.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 7:14PM chispito said

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Maybe they'll settle for having it fly away.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 8:41PM Haggard said

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Neither die in the end. But the dragon is dying of HIV throughout the game, so that's a twist in itself.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 2:51AM doc j said

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Arro!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 11:27AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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@ The Baron: An educational experience?
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 9:13PM (Unverified) said

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What if at the end you find out the kitty dragon is a girl and gives birth to adorable mini-kitty dragons?

If that is true, AUTOMATIC GAME OF THE YEAR
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 12:12PM (Unverified) said

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@3 LMFAO
^^^^^^^^
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:50PM vessey632 said

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Holy freaking god this looks like it could be the saddest game ever. Do not kill the kitteh dragon please. You already traumatized me enough in Shadow of the Colossus with Argo.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:52PM (Unverified) said

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Their go is to traumatize us, isn't that obvious by now?
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 8:16PM UhMilhouse said

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I still haven't finished Shadow of the Colossus. Thanks for spoiling part of it.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 10:32PM (Unverified) said

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"I still haven't finished Shadow of the Colossus. Thanks for spoiling part of it."

Don't worry, nothing is what it seems. If I said another word I'd spoiling it lot worse for you.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 10:52PM The Monarch said

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YOU ALREADY DID!

idiot...
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Posted: Jun 7th 2009 3:33AM chispito said

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It would be one thing if he spoiled the game within the first year of its release.

It was released almost five years ago and this is a comments thread for a sequel of sorts. In game years, that's like "spoiling" the end of Hamlet.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 3:51PM DeathroW22 said

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And they said its all in-engine... :o wow..
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 6:13PM BananaBoat said

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Some people on a certain forum that shant be mentioned were complaining about the graphics. Personally I think they are insane. Maybe it's because they watched the trailer on IGN, or maybe it's just because they are daft.

The game looks like it has dynamic lighting everywhere. It's obvious that the game has High Dynamic Range lighting outside as well, but it also seemingly has real time shadows on everything. In an interview, the creator states that each individual feather on the back of Toriko (or Trico, the creature in the video) is individually rendered, and has its own physics. When the wind whips through Toriko's feathers, you can tell what kind of a feat that actually is to pull off (in a world where developers STILL can't perfect hair).

Personally I believe The Last Guardian to be the best looking game shown at E3. Uncharted 2 may be the popular pick, but the landscape and the architecture in that game don't come anywhere close in my opinion. I have a feeling that Team Ico is shooting for the fences with the PS3 hardware, and I couldn't be more excited to play the final product. I just hope that they take their time, and that they don't rush it like they did with Ico (US version, which came out first, had a junk cover, and was missing unlockables, among other things, which were in the PAL and Japan versions), and Shadow of the Colossus (There is a lot of land not used in the map, and it's obvious that they meant to use it at one point. Through an emulator, people have found huge structures outside the map that were supposed to be included at one point).

I'm hoping for november-ish 2010, but I'd have no problem with it delaying a bit longer if they need the extra time. I can wait.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 7:13PM (Unverified) said

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^

You're right, as this is a game I can truly wait for and since this is the last "Ico", we should all stop denying that this game won't have a super sad ending. I can just picture us cursing Fumito Ueda as we cry ourselves to sleep
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 9:45PM SoCoolCurt said

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i gotta admit, i was one of those people that was saying it looked bad but now as i watched it again, i'm realizing that it's just a bad copy of the video. i would really like to see it in HD now. did they post a video of this in yesterday's PSN update? guess i gotta go look now.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2009 11:16PM BananaBoat said

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There is an HD version on gametrailers. Go to gametrailers, search for The Last Guardian, and it should be the first result. From there you can either stream it, or download it.

IGN also had an HD version, but the last time I checked (the day the game was announced) it was for "insiders" only (meaning paying subscribers). I was pissed. Luckily the video seems to have spread around to the rest of the game video sites.
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