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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:21PM dizzydj said

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Why is the double standard that movies can explore our current "war" and its ok, but if a video game wants to is "controversial?"

Also, its Fox News... so that mother was there JUST for said comment. Its Bullshit and they know it.

I think this could be a pretty decent game, from what I saw, imo.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:51PM squeehunter said

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Fox might know it but the hosts of Fox & Friends have no idea. It's seriously the worst morning show on and me saying that has nothing to do with my political views. These three are just awful, awful, and espically unintelligent people that shouldn't be on TV.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:14PM Roto13 said

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I think the main difference is that games pretty much have to be fun to be good (unless they're art games, but this doesn't seem to be one) while movies simply don't.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:46PM EGOvoruhk said

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Sure, the mother was just there for comment, but she actually surprised me. I thought she was going to be more of a plant, who just had nothing but bad things to say, but it wasn't like that at all. It's a completely sad story on her part, but she still saw both sides, and that kind of amazed me
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 10:58PM (Unverified) said

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I concur squeehunter, those 3 hosts are dip shits!
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 2:17AM DeepFriedSushi said

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just reskin/rename.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:23PM (Unverified) said

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And theres some guy at home thinking, hey all those games about normandy etc..I lost a brother a father an uncle a grandfather a cousin, but there's no blowback from that. The "issue" here isn't content. It's timing. People are becomming immune to things and everything changes so rapidly. They said the same thing about those 9/11 movies, oh its terrible, oh it shouldnt be made. Personally I'd much rather play a game like this than that shitty ass gitmo game. Then maybe I could actually understand what two of my cousins went through and why they're so screwed up and on meds now.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:49PM Barky said

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There is no "issue" except for a cautious game publisher afraid to offend anyone. Then the media picks it up and tries to make a sensational scandal out of it.

I can't imagine anyone being offended by this game unless they are offended by violent video games in general.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:52PM Barky said

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There is no "issue" except for a cautious game publisher afraid to offend anyone. Then the media picks it up and tries to make a sensational scandal out of it. This interviewer was trying desperately to manufacture some "news" by inventing an outrage.

I can't imagine anyone being offended by this game unless they are offended by violent video games in general.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:29PM TheDarkWayne said

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the real issue is the DDDDDOUBLE POST!
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 8:53PM kojo87 said

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i was thinking the same thing. every soldier is someone's son or daughter. why is there no controversy over any WWII shooter? like you said: timing. 2 years from now we probably wouldn't be having this conversation
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:24PM Zertoss said

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Someone's child is high on mushrooms RIGHT NOW and yet Nintendo is still making Mario games.

For shame.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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Yes, and turtle smashings have quadrupled between the late 1980s to the early 21st century. Now they're extinct.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:25PM Sly C said

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:O

the cast of futurama! where the hell is bender?
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 8:54PM kojo87 said

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Morbo is displeased with the lack of Bender!
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 9:48PM (Unverified) said

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I'm back, baby!
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 11:11PM Zertoss said

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@Bender

I'm fairly certain that I've never seen you before in my life.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 11:29PM (Unverified) said

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I'm Bender. You know? The lovable rascal.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 11:03AM Zertoss said

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Ah yes! My dear friend!

*confused shrug*
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:28PM (Unverified) said

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What a shame. Such an intriguing concept gone to waste.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:16PM Roto13 said

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What's intriguing about it? There are dozens of war themed shooters out there, including a bunch set in the middle east. I can't imagine this one being special because it takes place in Fallujah specifically.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:28PM kevin949 said

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@Roto13

You should actually read about what all went down in Fallujah before making a statement like that.

The problem with making a game like this is that some of the worst decisions anyone would have to make were made and to make a game out of that that is supposed to be for entertainment is the big issue. I doubt the game would have you shooting kids that were given AK's and told to shoot the troops, but that is one of the things that happened. It should just be left as a null ground, an untouchable subject for such media. (No, I wasn't there nor did I have family there)
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:33PM TheDarkWayne said

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uhh, what went down in fallujah that was different than any other city siege?
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:29PM s256 said

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I hope this game comes out. It seems like they're trying to tell us something in a way.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:30PM ChiTownRuler23 said

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i got $40 that says this game will be released and FOX wont say anything about the release.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:34PM Assmar said

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That mother seems down right reasonable, in that she seems conflicted. I don't know if they still do, but in America's Army, they had these people that would go on every day and list the names of soldiers who had died in Iraq. Every soldier who died in that battle should be named and honored, but not by being characters, but simply by being given the credit and acknowledgment they are due.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:36PM RobLink said

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I don't think that was the developers of the game, I think that was someone who bought the game and went in and read out the names of all the dead soldiers to the people playing it in protest? Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I remember it.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:48PM Assmar said

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I know it wasn't the developers, they were activists, but it was another controversial game, and I think still is. I'm saying if the developers are smart they can appease these people.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:36PM Burritoclock said

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I know it's trendy and cool to hate fox news, but how is "Obviously you knew that you might get some blowback on it, 'cause, uh, some people lost their chidren in that battle," some sort of unfair statement?

Unless the people at Atomic Games are mentally handicap then they DID know there would be blowback, because it is a war currently happening with real people dying to this day.

Yes, real people died in WWII, but we are distance from it by more than a generation. There IS a difference in the minds of most people, right or wrong.

There WAS blowback toward the first 9/11 movies, and they took some heat that eventually went away, which is what will happen in this case IF it is ever published.

Now downvote me, say something cool like "fauxnews" and move along...
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:37PM Lbhocky19 said

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the problem is they call it fair and balanced yet everyone on there is biased as hell
and the fact that games are not allowed to do things that movies and shows can do such as the sexbox "report" they did
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:45PM Assmar said

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Did you simply ignore the tone of the interviewer during the entire video? It seems kind of counter intuitive for people to be okay with games about war, but not specific battles or countries, nameless, faceless war and death, but seem to have a problem with shit that's part of our recent collective history, or at least should be.

People just don't understand the fact that games are just different media, it's easy to see that bias.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:59PM IronArcher said

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The funny thing is that most fox news commentators would probably not have any problem with a game about Fallujah, but you get one chick commentator that makes a remark about how there could be some blowback, and everyone gets their panties in a wad. The mother didn't really make alot of sense and frankly the segment was too short to really discuss the matter at all. I personally don't have a problem with Fox News. It's one news outlet out of many.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:35PM TheDarkWayne said

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actually cheese, pretty much everyone on fox news would have had a problem, with the exception of colmes, because, i dont think he's been alive for years
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 7:46PM Okieace said

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I agree with Cheese, I've watched my share of FoxNews in the past and I don't think most commentators and anchors would have a problem with the game. I think not Cavuto, Hannity, or Gibson would have a problem with the concept off hand. That was as long as the game gave a fair and accurate treatment of the way and our troops, unlike most media outlets and hollywood.

I wonder how many people who profess to know so much about FNC and it's "bias" have actually spent time watching FNC.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 12:22AM (Unverified) said

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@Brian:
Fox news only seems biased because the remaining 90% TV and print media tilt left.

There are actual studies on the fairness of various media outlets. Guess what, Fox came out ahead. Hilary Clinton herself says Fox is fairer than MSNBC.

A university study during the late 2007 election cycle found that Fox News aired 51% positive and 49% negative stories about Democrats. Republicans received a 49% positive 51 % negative shake. Guess what? The other networks averaged 40% positive and 60% negative for Republican candidates.

See there? You're just so used to seeing the right routinely blasted with negative coverage that ANY network coming along with a closer to 50/50 balance seems to tilt way right.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 1:11AM CB said

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@Alex, You mean the flawed study that the CMPA did, the CMPA that is heavily funded by consevatives? You say TV and print media lean 90% left yet if you were basing your claims from the "study" or "studies", you know that's simply not the case.

For the record, I despise both MSNBC and Fox but it's just pretty stupid when people keep using that awfully done study as a source.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 4:12PM Deone said

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I don't think the issue with the hosts comment at the end was so much the content, but the fact that it was provacative and inflammatory, and she didn't give anyone a chance to defend themselves afterwards.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:36PM Lbhocky19 said

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yeah i hate fox with a passion but the mother wasn't out of bounds at all she just said why it would be uncomfortable but at the same time the devs were trying to make a realistic game and actually did research to make it quality it is really unfortunate people just rally against something without looking into it
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:37PM (Unverified) said

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Aww, the lefties that run Joystiq don't like Fox News? I'm sure they'll take that right in stride, being first in ratings.

Because we all know the other networks have no bias at all, and always know exactly what they're talking about.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:43PM Zertoss said

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Quick! Name one other network that has reported on how kids can get porn on the PSP/Wii/iPhone.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 5:49PM dogmaticatheist said

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"Quick! Name one other network that has reported on how kids can get porn on the PSP/Wii/iPhone."

I'm not in any way defending Fox News, but how does this make other networks not biased?
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 6:24PM (Unverified) said

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Its "popular" and the "in thing" to hate Fox News. Notice how you NEVER see the majority take on the loons of MS'OBAMA'BC. Seriously, the absolute horrible lies and biased from that channel out does any other channel combined. But, given the hollywood/liberal type dominated culture today, where the cool thing is to hate on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh (even when 80 percent who say they hate both NEVER watch or listen).

It's pure bias. The culture, the media in this country is baised as hell. Anyone who denies that is in denial or just lying. Fox News isnt perfect, but if you actually watch their "news" portions, they are indeed as fair and balanced as any news outlet can be. Even some of their shows are pretty fair given that they regularly present both sides of an issue. On the other hand, youll have someone like Olberman who only has idiots on his show who he agrees with.


For anyone to take this clip and turn it around and blame and hate on Fox News, you are just part of the typical left who would do so. The bottom line is, there are plenty of people out there, who would find this game objectionable right now. Is that a reason to not have it released? Not exactly, but everyone has to understand there is going to be people against this game.

You can bring up movies, but I think many in the public, who dont know video games, would see it as disrespectful. While a movie tells a tail, they see a game as just a chance for kids to "play" a war that happened not to long ago. You have to understand where they are coming from. Im not saying who's right and who's wrong.

Personally, I completely understand the objections. However, I believe the developers in this game will do justice in being respectful and not touting this game as you would see a normal shooter being showcased. I partly agree with those who are against the game, but I am not fully against its release.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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I do agree with you Chuckj that MSNBC has a very strong lefty bias, but Fox News really goes a step too far. Go to Foxnation.com and tell me a MSNBC site that is anywhere near as bad as it (Seriously, I'm not a lefty or a righty and would like to find a liberal site that is just as nuts as Foxnation, the crazies on both sides are amusing).
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 9:49PM IronArcher said

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@ Michael Amory,
doesn't look like Foxnation is run by Fox News. I feel comfortable saying that Fox News has nobody on the air as inflammatory and as close-minded as Olbermann.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 10:11PM (Unverified) said

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Welcome to the Fox News web site at thefoxnation.com ("Site") which is owned by Fox News Network, L.L.C. (FOX). This Site is operated by FOX and materials on the Site are owned, for the most part, by FOX.

That's from their terms of use document.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2009 11:17PM Zertoss said

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"I'm not in any way defending Fox News, but how does this make other networks not biased?"

What I was getting at is that Fox News is staffed by idiots and deserves all of the ridicule they get because of it.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 12:45AM Slaziman said

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I just watch The Daily Show ripping apart Fox News, does that count? They also regularly call out MSNBC for their bias.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 1:28AM BigD145 said

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@Chuck

It's really hard to listen to Rush or just about anyone on Fox. The blind malice and stupidity burns. It's just painful to listen to.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 4:12PM Deone said

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Damn, I gotta get a PSP.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2009 6:44PM (Unverified) said

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So lets understand this. A network that has a liberal host on one 0of its PRIMETIME news shows, then has a pretty moderate but right tilting host who has Barney Frank, Bob Beckel ect. as guests to plays devils advocate... thats bias.

But a network that gets phone calls from the CHEIF OF FUCKING STAFF and has the likes of Maddow and Olbermann who DON'T have devils advocate guess ect.... they are just "tilting left".

Get a clue. Fox News is conservative, but they at least let the other side speak. MSNBC wants to dissent opposing views or else.

By the way, the FOXNATION is owned by FOX, but it is not run by the same. Just as the FOX Broadcasting networks are all under the name of FOX, but FOX in NYC can air different shows than FOX in San Fran.
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