Ubisoft on next gen costs, current gen motion control

Your avatar makes me sing... Take on me..... Take meeee ooonnn. Illl beeee gone... in a day or twwwwwooooo.

Oh man, now I'm never going to be able to look at that photo without that song in my head! Ha ha... Well played, Dirty.

When have they ever?

Because not having the same tastes as you is being clueless.
Obviously.

Some have always.

...unlike you, nimblewick xD

Nvidia Geforce GTX 285 for the win, but it also cost me as much as a PS3 when I bought it. : D

Also, I think the days of MEGA jumps as far as graphics go is pretty much over. We'll just see small incremental improvements as time goes on.

Remember when we jumped from NES to SNES? Minds were blown. Then reblown when we jumped from the SNES to the N64 and the PS1 to PS2.

When the 360 debuted all I could think was "Huh...that's it?". It's been 5 years since then and I have yet to see a game that gives us a glimpse of PIXAR level video game characters.

The graphical update from the NES to the Super NES was incredible. There was literally not one Super NES game that looked like an NES game. And yes, the N64/PS from the Super NES was a revolution. It was the third dimension. But you're right, as amazing as games can look these days, the leap from last generation to the current is nowhere near the gaps between the previous ones.

Maybe that is why everyone has stated that they will wait for a longer period of time before releasing new hardware. Honestly, if they released a brand new console in a couple of years, I really doubt it would look much different. Now it seems that the changes aren't coming from a graphical point of view, but from the control side of things.

That's how I buy most of my games. Really, wait long enough and they all come down in price. It's really only a choice few I'll buy on release. With how fast game prices fall there's really no point in buying it at release.

Crap, that was for Uncle Jesse's other comment down below.

I wouldn't downplay this jump in graphics. I mean, i remember all the hype about the "sweat dripping" in commercials from EA for the 360 back in 2005. I think minds were blown this time around, and it was definitely a significant jump, but it has become an issue of diminishing returns.

I predict GC-Wii style jumps for both Sony and Microsoft, in the sense that they'll roughly double what they have and run with it, which will be a much more visible boost than GC-Wii (since its very hard to see the effects of 43 MB of RAM vs 88 MB of RAM, but much more visible to see 1 GB against 512 MB)

Are you saying we're going to see 2 PS3's duct taped together?!

The PS4 and Xbox next will wait and see what Nintendo does, then copy it.

One thing about those earlier system updates is that back then, PC wasn't really in the business. Game consoles had the advantage not only of being integrated / special-purpose (i.e. a game system doesn't need to be good at running databases) but nobody was really challenging them on graphics.

Nowadays, game consoles get graphics chips that are simply customised versions of PC graphics cards. And with PC gamers willing to pay more than a game console costs just for that graphics card, it's not surprising that new game consoles aren't going to stun graphically - even at launch, PC gamers can have console-quality graphics if they fork out, and as the years go by, the difference becomes marked.

Or in other words, you might have been more impressed by the 360's graphics if you hadn't seen the same thing on your rich friend's PC a month before it came out.

Another aspect of this is that game graphics are reaching the 'good enough' level in a number of areas now. Any system is perfectly good enough to play all the music games, because let's face it, drawing arrows on screen is not a big challenge. And in other areas, the Wii for instance has 'good enough' graphics for cartoony games (like most of Nintendo's). Mario Galaxy looked great despite the ancient technology involved. It'd look nicer on a more powerful system, but I can't believe the difference would be fundamental.

I think next generation (which, yeah, might be delayed) is going to be even more like this - PS3/60 graphics are pretty much 'good enough' for almost any game already. Sure, they could be in 1080p, but most people won't even notice that. There could be a better draw distance in open-world games. More polygons, more lighting, sharper textures. Nice to have, but no big deal. It already looks great.

Maybe game development is finally beginning to reach the point that other software achieved years back - where performance isn't, really, all that important. Developers will be able to concentrate on what the game does instead of how to make it look nice, because the system will put out great graphics without really breaking a sweat. In almost every other area of software that's happened already - it's only games that are really pushing the hardware to limits (visible as frame rates). Are they going to keep doing that (on consoles)? I wonder.

The Homicidal Manicac and uncle jesse just described Nintendo's reason for coming out with the wii and why its selling so well..

2 ps3s duck taped together... that's gonna be one big ass console...

Until real-time ray tracing becomes feasible I agree 100%. And sadly that day is far, far away lol.

The following is a true story:

I went to Best Buy to pick up Wolverine with my Best Buy gift card. It was $69.99. I left with Crackdown for $19.99.

How many times in Joystiq comments alone, do you see people saying "I'll pick that up once the price comes down"? People are a lot more educated these days when they go to spend 60 bucks on a new release. Reviews are read, scores are averaged, friends are talked to, videos are watched...

@unclejesse

You made the right choice.

yeah, when you hear people complaining about how expensive a good gaming rig is, they don't really factor in the cost of the games, or how long you'll be able to use it. i can't afford a good gaming rig, but when i can i'll get one ASAP.

Online is garbage, there'll be lag deaths complaints over horrible glitchy graphics and bugs galore. Unless everyone in the country or even the continent had Fios there's no way to guarantee a consistent quality experience in something that relies on the internet.

Clearly I meant to say Onlive... no editing for comments once you hit that button sucks... sucks as much as onlive, hell even the name sucks ass.

Rain Man nearly bankrupt a casino, and he was a reTARD.

Dear Shagi

Please send that letter directly to Ubisoft, it seems to be happening now they need it fast.

Eh screw it... e-mail them!

Your friend
Phil

p.s. I love motion controls.. but not for everything.. 50% retard (if by retard you mean motion controlled) is enough for me... I'm about 50% retard (and by retard I mean... retard) :D

Oh and I'm not trying to make fun of you or anything... I agree with what you're saying completely. So Don't think I'm trying to be an ass.. I just .. I dunno.. I agree.

so when you play games you wanna be chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool, not shootin' some b-ball outside of the school?

Never go full body motion control.

Full Body will never become the norm for exactly that reason.

Plus there's a large possibility that MS is just blowing smoke about how much they're actually going to push Natal (i'm not saying that as a Nintendo fanboy, just as someone who has observed the "Microsoft Hype Machine for New Technologies" before)

@ Chad

I WOULD play b-ball but a couple of guys were up in no good and started making trouble in my neighbourhood.

So now I just sit at home ;____;

oh, I see. You don't wanna get in a fight because your mom will get scared and have you movin in with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air