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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 1:48PM Cru said

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A Raiden game does nothing for leveling exclusivity... Sure, MGS is on 360, but Snake ain't. Welcome to a new era of exclusivity, where the intellectual properties WITHIN the intellectual properties are exclusive. Soul Calibur was leaps and bounds ahead with this idea.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 1:55PM (Unverified) said

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Whaaa? So lets take a look at that last paragraph. Then lets take a look at their major games. Halo was first party and now it is partly first party but considering how close they are well still say first. Now we have Lionhead with Fable.Turn 10 with Forza. Then theres Rare and they messd up Banjo. I dont know how exactly Microsoft is looking at this stuff. I dont think theyre doing much. Which is one of the many reasons I dont support them.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 2:09PM (Unverified) said

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Has everyone forgotten that Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance came out on the original Xbox...? =\

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 2:13PM RKN said

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LOL, that's what Kotaku had said as well. : P
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 2:56PM doom saber said

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Agreed. it is just PR spiinning stuff imo. lt reminds me in how MS said that they intentially knew that HDDVD will dying and just supported it so that it can slow down the popular of the BD disc so that they can bring out digital distribution. Years later, l think MS now says that Digital distribution is unrealistic. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 2:40PM Chibi Chaingun said

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Does it occur to anyone that the "financial incentives" everyone accuses MS of (ie, buying out exclusives) is also actually from the console's good sales performance? It isn't hard for developers to do the math. PS1 and PS2 gained a lot of support from third parties because of their sales success. The same thing is happening here, and one more factor is that publishers have said that the Wii is a hard platform to make money on because of the saturated market and people's attention to it's first party games. The Xbox on the other hand, has proven successful for the third party developers. Tides change, but fanboys will always be fanboys.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 3:26PM Chibi Chaingun said

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What? That doesn't even make sense. What in my post is fanboy-ish? Not to mention I *OWN* both a PS3 and 360 and enjoy them both for their strengths. I also had a Wii too, but I sold it. Not my cup of tea, but I tried it. If memory servers about you, on the other hand, you are indeed a PS3 fanboy and just spout ignorant BS all the time. SDF trooper, if you will.
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 3:59PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Give it up Cellien. Just because you own a PS3 doesn't mean you aren't a 360 fanboy. Hell, I owned a 360 since launch up until this Christmas and I hate Microsoft like a whore does church. After all, you are the same guy that has said every PS3 exclusive sucks and the system is only good for watching movies.

Are you actually trying to imply that the reason MS has 3rd party exclusive DLC and the reason a lot of former exclusives have went multiplatform is because MS is the most desirable platform from a monetary perspective? Thats little more than deluded fanboy rationalization.

The truth is they stroke big fat checks and the money is what talks the loudest in this recession. Do you really think that Bethesda didn't get a Take2 size check for the "exclusive" Fallout 3 DLC that is now all of a sudden coming to the PS3? Don't be naive. They had a timed exclusivity deal in place and part of that deal was certainly that Bethesda couldn't let it be known the DLC was a timed exclusive until a certain time frame had past.

Shane Kim is telling you the answer right here in his quotes. You just have to cut through the corporate BS to get a read on what he is really saying.

"[Microsoft has] said for a long time that a key part of our strategy with Xbox 360 was a level third-party playing field," Kim tells Gamasutra in a recent interview. "Now we've effectively done that with Metal Gear Solid [Rising] coming to the Xbox 360."

What do you think "leveling the 3rd party playing field" is referring to? He means they cut enough checks that the only difference in consoles at this point is the first party stuff.


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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 4:14PM Chibi Chaingun said

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Give what up? I am being objective. I actually look at the consoles for their strengths. I never said the PS3 sucks, I never said the exclusives suck. I said they don't appeal as much to me as the exclusives on the PS3. I think the games are quality though. You just are blinded by fanboyism that you interpret it all messed up in your head.

You are a SDF crusader that is a self-exclaimed Sony fanboy. Proof is in the quotes:
" I hate Microsoft like a whore does church."
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 4:17PM Chibi Chaingun said

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Typo: Appeal to me us much as the exclusives on the 360* =)
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 5:22PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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The point being made that you still don't seem to understand is that just because you own both consoles doesn't mean you aren't a fanboy. As I said, I hate MS Corporation with a passion but I still bought and owned a 360 since launch up until this past Christmas when I had enough and sold the thing. Saying you own a PS3 doesn't give you some sort of credibility or non fanboy card when your entire comment history says otherwise. So, when you go on a diatribe about fanboys never changing it falls on deaf ears around these parts.

That's why I like to say that I prefer the PS3 this generation (opposed to being a strict SONY fanboy) where as last generation the Dream Cast was my favorite console. In fact, I'll admit my experience with Microsoft this generation has fueled my hate for them as a corporation even more (how couldn't it?) but all of my feelings for their x-box brand are founded based off my own experiences.

I've been coming to this site long enough to know who is objective and who is pretending to be objective.


"You just are blinded by fanboyism that you interpret it all messed up in your head."You are a SDF crusader that is a self-exclaimed Sony fanboy. Proof is in the quotes: " I hate Microsoft like a whore does church."

I do hate MS Corporation with a passion but thats got nothing to do with Sony or Nintendo. By your own logic [of one isn't a fanboy if they own both consoles] I can't be a SDF Crusader because I owned a 360 since launch and still have a Wii. So, which is it? Do your special rules only apply to yourself or is it that the consoles one owns has little to do with their fanboyism?

You can't fool anyone here.
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 5:38PM Chibi Chaingun said

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I'm not missing any point. I enjoy owning my PS3. So "my logic" is that yes, since I own both consoles and enjoy them I am not a fanboy. Simple. Do I prefer one over the other? Only in certain areas, and they each have those areas. And, since you "hate" Microsoft (self confessing) and crusade gaming blogs replying to people's comments that isn't down-talking MS in some form, yes man, you're a fanboy. If you can't get to grips that the Xbox is a viable platform for third-party publishers to make money on hence why the Xbox is attracting more third-party developers, then you're "missing the point" of my initial post...in which YOU replied to.

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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 6:41PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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"If you can't get to grips that the Xbox is a viable platform for third-party publishers to make money on hence why the Xbox is attracting more third-party developers, then you're "missing the point" of my initial post...in which YOU replied to."

Go ahead and take the time to re-read my first reply. Most of it dealt with your initial post and some dealt with your reply to The Serpent. It was all fair game. So, you the type that can dish it but can't take it?

In fact, only a tiny fragment of my initial reply dealt with debunking this notion that you couldn't possibly be a fanboy because you own both a PS3 & 360. 3/4 of that initial reply directly tackled the original point you were trying to make. It's easier to ignore that ... o_0

Classic Fanboy Misdirection!

Good show.
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 7:53PM Chibi Chaingun said

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Yes... You're definitely putting on a "good show". Maybe "Making a scene" is the better phrase since you are overreacting.

The only real things you've succeeded in here are:

-Admitting you are a Sony fanboy:

"I hate Microsoft like a whore does church." - Alistair Azimuth PSN: johnnynumber5

- Spouted one-sided, short-sighted claims that all Microsoft does is throw money at developers faces instead of realizing and intellgently discussing the ENTIRE scope of the events.

- Suggest I am a fanboy with no basis to justify you flametory reply to my post.

- Ignored everything I have said.

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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 11:02PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Cellien

Hey let me just say something to make this quite clear. I was being a dick. I'm going to have to just say that and apologize for the things I said and the way I said them. There is certainly an appropriate way and an inappropriate way to to handle things and I chose the path of most resistance. I don't have much else to say that that. So, you can choose to accept my apology or not. I just want you to know that I'm sorry for being a dick about things.

It was just one of those things ... so, my bad dude. There really wasn't a reason to take it there in the first place.

I just scrolled to this last page ... saw your initial post and hit reply. I won't even bother reading what else was said after my last reply because the point is that I shouldn't have done that.
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 11:40PM Chibi Chaingun said

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If you are just saying that to shut me up... Well played. :)

If you do mean it, well... I gotta say I am genuinely impressed. This has to be the first time I've encountered an apology of this sort on Joystiq, or any gaming blog or forum for that matter. I respect that, and I hope you read this post so you know.
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Posted: Jun 17th 2009 2:52PM doom saber said

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This sounds like total spin to me since a lot of games that were Xbox and PS exclusives like Dead Rising, Final Fantasy XIII, DMC, are now becommin' mutliplatform titles and I doubt it has primary occured because of MS/Sony whinning and crying for the exclusive to become a third party game.

That is like if the republican party giving a conference stating that they intentally throw the election so that they can level the playing field.

I mean logically, as a lot of you guys said before, it would be costly for third parties to make exclusives especially because of the economy.

As for Rising, it was never said that game was an exclusive. People wanted a port of MGS4 rather than a spinoff.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 3:03PM doom saber said

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I mean, werent consoles tryin to compete one another as oppose to be essentially the same console but made by different ppl??

I think MS would accomplished somethin if they have gotten Peace Walker IMHO

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 3:27PM neoXmahi said

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This Kim guys already full of crap. Microsoft has all the funds in the world to spend. They're the largest corporation and can you believe it all stems from cheating a guy out of a DOS program? Look, if Microsoft wants something, they just fork out the money to pay for third party exclusives. Plain and simple. Gears of War isn't a first party exclusive. Epic is not owned by Microsoft. But Microsoft must've botten Gears of War. Its no expense to them. Micrsoft buys whatever they want, and they don't deny of rumours either.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 3:45PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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"Short of a blank check from Microsoft or Sony -- like, what was the asking price for Agent exclusivity, you know?"

How many times do we have to go over this?

Sony didn't have to pay a red cent for The Agent to be exclusive because they struck a deal with Rockstar/Take 2 to fore go the timed exclusivity they had on the GTA series in exchange for a completely PS3 exclusive franchise. The rumor for the longest time was that the game was LA Noire but this was never confirmed by anyone as being exclusive (it could or it couldn't be exclusive). Now we know that the game is actually The Agent.

I'm not trying to be a dick here or be critical about the commentary in this article but it seems kind of silly to ask the question when this very site answered it about 2 years ago.

You guys here at Joystiq embedded the video yourselves with Tretton confirming how they got a Rockstar game to be exclusive.

Here is a refresh:
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http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/07/28/rockstar-bringing-new-franchise-exclusively-to-ps3/

Rockstar bringing new franchise exclusively to PS3
by Andrew Yoon { Jul 28th 2007 at 8:04AM }

In a new interview with Game Head, SCEA president Jack Tretton, let loose that Sony was working with Take Two and Rockstar on a brand new IP, exclusive to PS3. Sony wanted to respect Take Two's wishes to bring Grand Theft Auto IV to both the 360 and PS3. However, they asked if they could continue the relationship they had developed over the years to work on the "next big franchise" for the controversial game publisher.

SCEA's director of 3rd party relations, Michael Shorrock, updated the official US PlayStation blog, confirming this new relationship. "Rockstar really wanted to make a game that you can truly only do on PS3, harnessing the power of CELL and Blu-ray disc and this deal lets them do just that ... This is really a win-win situation for both companies."
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Hopefully we can avoid redundancy (and flame wars) on at least the issue of why The Agent is A ps3 exclusive.

"Short of a blank check from Microsoft or Sony -- like, what was the asking price for Agent exclusivity, you know? -- there's little incentive for a third-party publisher to release a big-budget game for only Xbox 360 or PS3."

I'll get into my feeling about what Kim is saying shortly in a reply to this message so as to avoid one mega long wall of text.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 4:02PM (Unverified) said

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All we are saaaaaaying, is give PC's a chaaaance.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 4:08PM (Unverified) said

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metal gear and god of war is the only exclusives i cared about.... but i sure dint mind getting devil may cry and tekken six....final fantasy ehh no

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 6:01PM Jacksons said

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The only reason I'm not on XBL is because I have some irrational feeling that I can't let Microsoft take over my living room, which is exactly what they're trying to do.

Which really, what does it matter? But I used the word "irrational" for a reason.

As far as AAA third party exclusives go, screw 'em. These games cost millions to make, they ought to be available to both platforms. I say both, because the Wii's a completely different creature.

Keeps customers happy, and I assume investors. Well, unless you're one of those losers that gets upset when a third party exclusive goes multi-platform, in which case get a grip, buddy. It's okay.

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 10:23PM (Unverified) said

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And WHAT ABOUT Splinter Cell:Conviction, Mr. Shame Kim?

I'll be p*ssed if it doesn't come to the PS3.

Or third party exclusivity break is only unlocked for Microsoft?

Posted: Jun 17th 2009 11:36PM Chibi Chaingun said

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If you are just saying that to shut me up... Well played. :)

If you do mean it, well... I gotta say I am genuinely impressed. This has to be the first time I've encountered an apology of this sort on Joystiq, or any gaming blog or forum for that matter. I respect that, and I hope you read this post so you know.


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