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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 7:38AM vidguy said

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The results in the case have brought outrage in the legal community. It's a good case to topple the outrageous statutory damages, just as there was a big movement to limit punitive damages in the 1990s.

The Supreme Court has looked down upon punitive damages that are greater than 9 times actual damages. There were some cases where the actual damages were $1000 and punitive damages were $1 million, and the Court said that violated due process. Anything bigger than $9000 in that case would trigger suspicion of a violation.

Here we have basically the same thing. The RIAA is using statutory damages to simultaneously get around the lack of evidence against file sharers and to cause outrageous damage awards. Even figuring in the cost of files the defendant allowed to be copied - let's estimate that at 50 times per song - we get a total market price of $1224. The statutory award shouldn't be any more than around $10,000 for such an infringement.

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 7:48AM vidguy said

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Also wanted to note. There was a case against a big tobacco company that went to the Supreme Court and set the precedent that there are limits to how much a defendant can be punished for harms not accruing to the plaintiff. Basically the tobacco company got slapped with some outrageous damage award because the jury felt the company had hurt millions of consumers in the same way as the plaintiff. The Court said they could do it, but only to a certain extent.

Here we have the RIAA (plaintiff) trying to slap the infringer (defendat) with a damage award that deters and compensates for the actions of other /defendants/. The Court is likely to say - you can increase the award to account for the small likelihood of getting caught and to deter, but only to a small extent.

The bottom line is: the statute the RIAA is suing under was intended to apply to /commercial/ infringers. Basically somebody selling burnt CDs out of their car, etc. It's completely inappropriate to slap somebody with ~$2m for essentially less than $1000 damage.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 7:41AM greyseal said

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The final paragraph of this article is almost certainly what will happen. Increased monitoring for piracy, coupled with decriminalization and the administration of fines. It's the only thing that is both feasable and fair. Digital speeding tickets.



Posted: Jun 25th 2009 8:21AM Ashitaka said

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My question is: How the hell did she get caught?

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 11:04AM Mr Khan said

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You would think there would be bigger fish to fry, even among regular people just downloading music. We all probably know someone who's done worse than this.

But the idea is to specifically weed out the everyman downloader, to strike fear into the rest of us. You just win the bad luck lottery
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 9:14AM samxdx said

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This whole mess seems highly illogical. Based on the 8th amendment excessive bail, excessive fines and cruel and unusual punishments are prohibited I would safely say that the RIAA is breaching (and successfully) the bill of rights. The statutory damages are ludicrously high. When one song is awarded as close to a yearly income, it is safe to say that is a cruel and unusual punishment, especially if you take into consideration they were intentionally redistributing, whats more I doubt they were even charging people. At absolute most the offense should be 200 times the cost of the song and even that is too high in my opinion. I myself would like to know just how much of the damages the RIAA gives the artists. I would almost be willing to bet they don't see a dime. Besides, is a song really worth $1? I think not. Now if only the artists could ditch the RIAA. They need them almost as much as the world needs Iran and N. Korea.

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 11:20AM FredFredrickson said

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You know, I don't like the RIAA any more than anyone else, but artists are fully aware of the deal they are signing with them when they strike a deal with them. Subsequently, the RIAA spends thousands / millions to promote the band, and in turn, the band gives the RIAA part of the profit. Nobody is forcing the artists to enter into these agreements - they willingly go into it, and oftentimes become very successful because of it.

Right or wrong, it is not the consumer's job to fight the RIAA for the artists. It's up to the artists to change their relationship with record labels. Piracy doesn't help either party.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2009 10:30AM Geist said

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So I guess it's better to shoplift the actual albums right from the store at this point. Either pay 1.9 million for piracy or a much less costly fine for petty theft.

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 11:23AM GenKhan2 said

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1. Don't illegally download ANYTHING! If you do, realize you are open to criminal and/or civil penalties of the country you live in.

2. Not providing proof of ANY damages and then being awarded almost $2M is highly questionable.

Posted: Jun 25th 2009 3:54PM (Unverified) said

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This is a great article and I want to thank Mark Methenitis for contributing it to Joystiq.

That being said, I must point out Mark's last name! Methenitis. A Combination of methamphetamine and inflammation. It's an awful condition to have.

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