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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:36PM (Unverified) said

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Tightest most comfortable control scheme of any console FPS? I must have wimpy wrists cause I couldn't play Call of Duty: World at War for more than 30 minutes at a time, pointing the Remote at the screen was just killer
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:41PM Dirty said

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It was Casamassina, he has a wiimote in his ass at all times and he finds that comfortable.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:45PM NaeemTHM said

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Casamassina does seem to be something of a Nintendo fanboy. I mean look at the second opinion on the Ghostbusters Wii review:

"I have to disagree with Greg's assertion that gamers would be better served if Ghostbusters' aiming system was influenced more by Resident Evil 4. I really like the control setup in this game and think it's much better than the one Capcom used to power its survival-horror Wii port."

Or course you do Matt. If they asked you to bark like a dog to fire your gun you would totally say it was a great game innovation.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:46PM (Unverified) said

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yeah, that thing must weigh like a bajillion pounds or something
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:57PM (Unverified) said

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wait, someone whose is comfortable using the Wiimote to aim likes doing it better than someone who doesn't?


STOP THE PRESSES, I GOT BREAKING NEWZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:58PM StormEagle said

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When it comes to Cassmassina, it would seem to make sense that he's some sort of Nintendo fanboy. He's been the Editor in Chief of the IGN [Nintendo] site for the last...3 console generations? Nintendo is all he deals in over there. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a PS3 fanboy, reviewing Wii games. Then he'd just say that they all sucked...oh...wait.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:59PM Typicalgamer said

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so is greg miller. he's a real psp fanboy, like me. he gave patapon 2 a 9.5 and it was a bit biased.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:03PM (Unverified) said

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The IGN nintendo team as a whole raises my suspicions, things like giving one of those Imagine Babiez games like a 7.5. The only person from the team I know of well is Matt and he definitely comes off like a huge nintendo fanboy. He was drooling all over the Conduit well before it was out, so his mind was relatively made up beforehand.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:07PM (Unverified) said

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@Storm Eagle, If the guy is a huge Nintendo fanboy who'll tolerate anything so long as it's a licensed Nintendo product, then having him review nothing but Nintendo games is not a good idea. Too much bias. Better to have neutral reviewers.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:07PM mr nimblewick said

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Perhaps Imagine Babiez was a decent game for its demographic. Why shouldn't it get a decent rating with the caveat "This is not for core gamers"?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:08PM (Unverified) said

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Shit Girugamuk calm down up there sir, I'm still getting it later today. I just made an observation, but the funny thing is not that I think about it I never seemed to notice and wrist problems while playing RE4 or UC. Hm. Anywho, with this and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite I'm set for a long while
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:09PM (Unverified) said

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"He was drooling all over the Conduit well before it was out, so his mind was relatively made up beforehand."

Confirmed: Matt is teh biased
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:10PM Mr Khan said

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Please. Real Nintendo fanboys disdain Matt C. Go around to GoNintendo or VGChartz, his name is mud over there
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 3:01PM GennosukeSama said

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"Tightest most comfortable control scheme of any console FPS? I must have wimpy wrists cause I couldn't play Call of Duty: World at War for more than 30 minutes at a time, pointing the Remote at the screen was just killer"

that's called "lack of exercise" my friend. you might wanna get off of you lazy tush and get some of it. it can benefit you in many ways. i exercise all the time and i can hold my arm out all day!
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:25PM (Unverified) said

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Wrist exercises? Well I can only think of one and generally that is frowned upon at the gym
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:25PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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I love it ... if someone has trouble using the wii mote for shooters he must be a fat lazy bastard? You guys are throwing one of your own under the bus for expressing his opinion. It's probably easier to make fun of him and make him look like a troll instead of considering if what he is saying has validity.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:39PM (Unverified) said

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Amen brother. I was weary of my Wii for a while now and then last week, I decided to give No More Heroes a shot. After 20 min, my wrist was aching from being all crooked-up and that's when I decided to place my Wii up for auction. Sold on ebay in less than half a day. Hopefully it found a good home with someone with strong, sturdy wrists.

Really though, the Wiimote is not very ergonomically correct for first/third person shooters. Sad because it has so much potential.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:40PM Sly C said

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yeah, who knows, he might have one of those conditions where your wrists are weaker than average. or he might be OLD and have ARTHRITIS.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:41PM redjack said

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"Wrist exercises? Well I can only think of one and generally that is frowned upon at the gym"

Wrestlers will tie a weight to a dowel with a rope and then wind the rope up slowly on the dowel and then let it down just as slow. Its one of the best ways to strengthen your wrists and your grip.

You can also just use a set of small weights and do wrist curls as well.

Your way would rub your shit raw in no time.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:41PM mr nimblewick said

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Can you people post a video of yourself playing a wii game? I want to see what you are doing to hurt your wrists so badly. I've had sore muscles after Wii Sports and Boom Blox, but never any wrist problems.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:51PM (Unverified) said

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Maybe my problem is that I am usually playing sitting up on a bed with my arms out pointing at the TV, there is no back support and nowhere to rest any part of my arm or elbow. With a regular controller or a non-pointy at screen Wii game I rest it in my lap, a mouse and keyboard I'm resting on a desk, with my arcade stick I am resting it on the massive bulk of wood that makes that sucker weigh like 10 pounds.

But I digress, I am neither old (18) or a fat bastard (5'10" 155 Pounds), I think I just need to start playing in an armchair because at least then I'd have somewhere to put my elbows.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:56PM nandokun said

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Here is the problem. You guys keep comparing 'The Conduit' to 'your favorite next-gen shooter'. This is like comparing a golf cart to a Ferrari. All these guys are saying is that, as far as golf carts go, this is a really nice one! All my Nintendo peeps have is golf carts and go karts. Let them have their nice ass golf cart!
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:57PM mr nimblewick said

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Yeah, just holding up my arms would fatigue them pretty fast. I would recommend sitting cross-legged and resting your elbows on your knees.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:57PM redjack said

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That's really your problem. No place for your elbows. What you're doing will of course fatigue you. Its really similar to what monks do to keep in shape with Chi-Gong exercises.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 7:08PM Foetoid said

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Wow Bainge you must have like, broken hands to not play COD:WAW for more than half an hour. Remember, your not pointing at the screen, your pointing at the sensor bar. So what you do it, have the sensor bar below the TV, sit on the couch facing the TV, put the Wiimote hand on your knee and then do whatever you have to with your other hand. From that angle, you should be able to aim at the sensor bar without any wrist complaints and still be perfectly accurate.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:37PM StormEagle said

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Just watched the video review at IGN. It looks damn beautiful for a Wii game. You can tell the gameplay isn't the deepest thing though. It's very attributable to Goldeneye or Perfect Dark. 11 players online and the experience will depend on your connection. Definitely looks like it's worth a look. Especially if you're looking for a Wii FPS. Oh, and you can customize EVERYTHING as it pertains to controls...
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:06PM Typicalgamer said

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this is probably the game that actually provest that the wii has better graphics than the psp.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:18PM KaBob799 said

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You mean aside from all the other games with better than psp graphics? Including games from the gamecube?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:42PM Dante G said

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It seems to me like they reduced the score of the game because it is not in beautiful HD graphics... but if you think about it, if it had HD graphics it wouldn't have the pointer controls... so I think reviewers, when writing about a Wii exclusive, should drop their comparisons with the PS3 and 360 graphics, simply because there isn't a version on those to compare it to, and even if it was it wouldn't control the same.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:00PM (Unverified) said

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Dante

So you're one of those "looks good for a wii game" people? Do you want the system to be treated equally and fairly, or do you want people to say that quote and treat it like an inferior?

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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:01PM Haggard said

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So you're saying that this game, if it was on PC/PS3/360, competing with games by Infinity Ward, Bungie, DICE, Crytek and Valve, it would have scored higher?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:23PM Dante G said

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@Jack_Jackington
I said: "It seems to me..." as in it's my opinion.

@WINterfang
Fair enough, but ask yourself this: would it matter to a reader who only owns a Wii and enjoys playing with the remote rather than with a classic controller?

@Jack Spicer PSN: watsuke
They don't need to say they're a point breaker.

@tmacairjordan87
I'm one of those guys that plays games to have fun. If it looks nice it's always a plus, but since I've been playing video games since the Atari I can honestly say I enjoy games even if they don't look super realistic with thousands of shades of brown.

@The Baron
That's hard to tell since it wouldn't be the same game if it looked and controlled differently. Now, if it was made for the PS3 or 360 with the same amount of money they used for this version of course it wouldn't measure up with the big guys like halo, cod or kz.

@Manly Mcbeefington (Mr. ESC)
Ok, but why do they mention stuff like this: "but the rest of you shouldn't feel a need to abandon your favorite next-gen shooter for this one."? What if their favorite FPS is Haze?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:31PM ACLerok212 said

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Bottom line is, if I walked into a store right now, the Wii games are in the same store on the same shelves as the PS3 and 360 games also competing for my money at the same time. I don't care what each console does different, they all want my money right now and a comparison is more than justified.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:41PM BigD145 said

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If I walked into a Gamestop right now, the 360, PS3, SNES, PSone, etc games are all on the same shelf and a comparison is more than justified.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 3:13PM Huey2k2 said

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"It seems to me like they reduced the score of the game because it is not in beautiful HD graphics..."

As they should, I have a big assed TV and if when I play video games on it, I want them to look really good, this is why I paid $3000 for a TV.

My 360 and my PS3 look fantastic on a big HD set, why is it wrong of me to assume that my Wii should too?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 3:30PM redjack said

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"So you're one of those "looks good for a wii game" people? Do you want the system to be treated equally and fairly, or do you want people to say that quote and treat it like an inferior?"

Do the PS3 and 360 get docked for not having motion controls? There's only a 6 point difference on metacritic between the Wii and 360/PS3 versions of the new Tiger Woods. Isn't that a game where the HD systems should suffer significantly especially with MotionPlus? And last year they were almost dead even in scores.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:42PM NaeemTHM said

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You know, I hear the argument made against this game that if it were a PS3 or 360 game no one would even pay attention. However we're not paying attention because it's an M-rated shooter, we care because this may very well be the evolution of the FPS genre.

I know people here swear by the mouse and keyboard, but I fully believe that this is a step beyond that. Analog control and mouse like aiming it the way to go!
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 3:08PM Nook said

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the copy I managed to find today says it's rated T.

:)
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 1:52PM (Unverified) said

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I like how the Gamepro reviewer says he didn't like the controls, even though earlier he acknowledged that he could change them but chose not to.

"What I couldn't stand, however, was the use of motion controls; for whatever reason, High Voltage mapped two critical functions -- grenade throwing and melee-to motion controls but even my grandmother knows that that was a dumb move"

"The funny thing is, after wrestling with the terrible controls for the five hours, thirteen minutes and eleven seconds it took me to beat the game"

"Turning your viewpoint is smooth and there are menu options that let you customize pretty much every aspect of the interface that you could want. I played with the default and was absolutely happy with it."
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:00PM whylekat said

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Maybe he wanted to play it how the developers intended. Either way motion controls are dumb and make you look like a fool.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:02PM (Unverified) said

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"Maybe he wanted to play it how the developers intended."

If he did, he would've used the customization options. You know, LIKE THE DEVELOPERS INTENDED
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:06PM Vidikron said

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So can you map those two functions to something other than motion controls? You seem to be make a lot of assumptions here, Girugamuk. I don't see where the statements you quoted are necessarily talking about the same thing. Perhpas he just saying that turning was smooth, but didn't care for most of the other aspects of the controls.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:08PM RobS the 3rd said

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@whylekat

Yes, thank god the Xbox 360 and Ps3 don't have that... yet.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:09PM (Unverified) said

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@ whylecat Lots of Wii hate today, and who cares what you look like when you are gaming. It;'s not like you really look all that cool when you are playing with the PS3 or Xbox controllers. Here are a couple of scenarios for you to ponder:

PS3/Xbox
Guy 1 - "Wow, look at that guy sit there and move his fingers around. Is that a bit of drool on his lip?"
Guy 2 - "Yeah, you cant even tell if he is having fun or not, or if he is catatonic"

Wii
Guy 1 - "Look at that guy waving his hands around like a moron."
Guy 2 - "Yeah, but at least he looks like he is having fun!"

"Were two guys just having a good time ...."
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:11PM mr nimblewick said

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"Lots of Wii hate today"

Just today? You don't spend much time here, I see.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:14PM Mr Khan said

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@ Vidikron.

Yes, you can re-map that to a button press.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:21PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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"Maybe he wanted to play it how the developers intended."

As mentioned already, the developers intended for gamers to change the control styles to fit the way they want to play so he should have gone through that.

Besides, that's just poor reviewing. A reviewers job is to go through every aspect of the game, including the different control schemes. In a way, the reviewer is misguiding gamers into thinking that the default controls can not be customized.

"Either way motion controls are dumb and make you look like a fool."
Jeez are you that self-conscious about what you look like when you game? That's just sad.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:21PM (Unverified) said

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"On a side note, you can fully tweak your button layout, too, even going so far as to assign motion controls to certain moves"

now this might be a ballsy assumption, but to map controls to motion you must first be able to map controls away from motion.

Then again, as people have pointed out, Matty C. is a total Nintendo fanboi so everything he said could be nothing more than lies and slander
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 2:28PM Vidikron said

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OK, that does seem like a silly complaint then. For some reason I can't the site to load here at work so I couldn't read the whole review, just your quotes.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2009 3:34PM (Unverified) said

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So, I watched the IGN review, and it turns out that they have two motion controls that you can substitute for an other action.
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