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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:38PM Vandell said

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Siiiigh. This boycott is getting harder and harder to follow through with.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:42PM JayVe said

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Wait... you are boycotting Valve because they won't release shitty PS3 ports, and demand a high level of quality from their game?

Boy oh boy... that is sending them the WRONG message. You should *reward* companies that are willing to stand by the quality of their work instead of whoring it out to 3rd-party port-shops in order to make a quick buck.

Your boycott is misplaced.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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Well, the boycott isnt going to do anything because a lot of people are going to vote with their wallets, buy this game and essentially tell Valve its ok to come out with a short and practically multiplayer -only game, and then come out with a "sequel" within one year, then charge full price for that as well.
And worse still after Naughty Dog slog thier butts off on a game like Uncharted 2, its will get a 6/10 from Edge which will then grant a 9/10 to L4D2.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 4:33PM Michelobius said

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I thought the boycott was also in response to the lack of HL2:E3, for which people have been waiting forever, and L4D2 highlights significantly.

Nothing to do with the PS3. I totally understand why they did what they did as a PS3 owner, and I hope it's not just talk to make us think they don't hate the platform. I suspect we'll see more Valve releases on PS3 in the future.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 4:37PM Vandell said

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Quoting from the steam group now:

"-The release of Left 4 Dead 2 as a stand-alone sequel will split the communities and decrease the quality of multiplayer gaming.

-The announced content of Left 4 Dead 2 does not warrant a stand-alone, full-priced sequel and should instead become updates (free or otherwise) for Left 4 Dead.

-Left 4 Dead has not yet received the support and content which Valve has repeatedly stated will be delivered.

-The release of Left 4 Dead 2 will make Left 4 Dead an obsolete purchase and inferior piece of software after only one year since release."

That's the jist of the boycott, really.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:04PM juggalotusmx said

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LMAO boycott.... go boycott square enix, activision, sony or ea not ppl who respect you as a consumer
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:21PM SpeeGold said

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@JayVe

You're implying that the boycott is over the fact that they haven't been giving enough attention to the PS3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the boycott over the fact that Left 4 Dead 2 is being released so close to the first and is therefor turning the series into a franchise rather than a platform?
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:35PM JayVe said

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@GoldN

Not trying to imply anything. I was seriously asking. :D
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 6:27PM (Unverified) said

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I agree that LFD2 came quick and doesn't seem full price worthy, but Valve is the last company that should be boycotted. They are probably the #1 most ethical and customer loyal developer and publisher out there. There is a reason HL episodes take too long; because they care more about making a quality game than hitting a holiday deadline. We get the better game, period.
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Posted: Jul 6th 2009 5:42PM Saria the Cat said

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It's funny, people always complain about newer installments taking too long to come out, but when a sequel is released speedily, it's all about "consumer rape."

I just bought L4D a month ago so I should be even angrier but if Valve delivers, as I know it will, I will be happy buying a sequel so soon. If this was any other company or circumstance, I might be up in arms about it, but this is Valve.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:09AM ZaxCG2 said

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@Ryan:
YES. Completely agree.
I don't get why the crap everyone is worried too... I'm totally stoked for a new Left 4 Dead.

I've had faith that Valve would take care of their fans from the start, and from all the news they're releasing about the game- I'd say we're going to look back at the "boycotters" and laugh. Seeing as how well they treat us fans, I would imagine Left 4 Dead 1 going down in price around the launch of the 2nd - or have one of those deals where you could get both for a low price.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:58PM OB1199 said

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Can't wait t o hear about other special infected!!!
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:45PM (Unverified) said

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Usually it's because team A is 3-4 people who know each other and you've just ran off or gone and startled a witch. My team do it every time a random does something stupid.

L4D2 needs matchmaking, but not the kind on GOW or Halo3, I mean matchmaking that actually matches you up with people of your skill not 5 star generals and lvl 50's.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:47PM Vandell said

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Rule of thumb: always buy the PC version of Valve games.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:47PM Arsenic13 said

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Hmm. At daytime the graphics seem a bit lacking. It wont affect this awesome game but still. Hope itll look nicer than L4D1 (On the 360 at least)
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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Can't quite tell if they are in New Orleans or City 17 in all these day time screens.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:51PM Geist said

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It uses the Source engine, which is dated as all hell, so I wouldn't expect much. Still, this means that it can have dozens of zombies on-screen at once without any real hiccups.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:51PM Arsenic13 said

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is it me or does this look less in quality than Episode 2? Ep 2 looked better imo.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:56PM DevilSei said

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maybe City 17 is in New Orleans?
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 9:30PM Sockdog said

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@Geist

Source engine is updated for every game Valve produces (and in many cases is backwardly compatible with older games). Your statement is equal to saying the Call of Duty is on a date Quake 3 engine. Valve just doesn't seem to want to iterate it's engine modifications like id or Epic do.

Regarding graphics in L4D2 I prefer they use more resources to apply variety in the infected and keep a lot going on with a solid frame rate. If you're studying wall textures you deserve to get your arse eaten!
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Posted: Jul 6th 2009 3:04PM The Wicker Man said

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@ gobo
Is there a difference?
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:49PM (Unverified) said

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The problem is that these games are meant to be played with friends. You're kidding yourself if you think you'll have better luck with random people on the notoriously tight-knit PC front. Go with the PC version if you want the mods or if you prefer KB/Mouse controls, not for a better selection of randoms.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:53PM Kratos said

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I for one will not be buying this game because Valve have betrayed their fans by releasing a game so soon...





lmfao. more news please I cant wait for this game.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:53PM Kratos said

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The PC version is defintely superior in that respect.

Valves gaming fans on the PC and most Steam users present a pretty closely knit community which gives you a higher chance of matching up with somebody that is skilled and mature.

I tried playing Left 4 Dead on Live and there was a lot of swearing, racism and tomfoolery.

Steam gave me a superior experience as I ran into a lot of ex-Counter Strike guys who were pretty good players and they were generally polite and didn't go off on their own little journeys.

I think the Steam community lends a lot of credence to Left 4 Dead because some of the maturer Counter Strike community dropping into Valves other games makes it a much more pleasant experience.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:55PM Kleptomaniac said

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I don't see why people want left 4 dead ported to the ps3.
Left 4 dead is simply meant to be played on a PC end of. The game doesn't work very well on the 360.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:59PM (Unverified) said

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Except for the fact that it works very well on a 360. If all you care about is the core game experience and are as comfortable with a dual analog controllers as you are a KB/Mouse... It really doesn't matter what version you get. A PS3 version would be most welcome.

End of... what exactly?
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 4:11PM Kleptomaniac said

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Have you played the PC version? I don't know i'm usually pretty comfortable with dual analog controls as i'm a mainly console gamer but when I played left 4 dead on the 360 it did not feel right at all.

Oh sorry "end of" is just a phrase. Its means like end of discussion.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:23PM Johnny Locke said

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I am tired of PC Elitists thinking it is unplayable on anything other than PC,dual analog works just fine.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 6:02PM Kleptomaniac said

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@Damian

Obviously you can't read! I said i'm mainly a console gamer!
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 7:22PM Foetoid said

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Dual-Analog may work "fine", but it's still far inferior to Wiimote/Nunchuck and Keyboard/Mouse.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 7:28PM WiredKnight said

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I agree that the PC version is superior, both in interface and visual quality, but the console version can be just as fun *especially* because of split-screen support, which very few PC games offer.

So if you're mostly playing a PC version online, everything's good. But if you have a friend come over, you wouldn't be able to play together, unless (!) you had a console version.

Of course, the best case scenario is LAN play!
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 8:59PM (Unverified) said

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@ WiredKnight
The PC version of Left 4 Dead supports split-screen via a console command. The second player has to use an Xbox 360 controller, but the game looks and runs better on the PC in Split-screen than it does on the 360 version. Also, I can run it in REAL 1080p with 4xAA on my HDTV.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 9:41PM Sockdog said

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You're spot on, not sure why you got voted down. Doesn't mean the 360 game is not enjoyable or worth a purchase but when L4D2 comes around it'll be on my PC way before my 360.

Console only gamers really need to get over themselves and stop being so defensive about the obvious deficiencies of their platform of choice. There are HUGE benefits to gaming on consoles but please ease off the kool-aid and acting like your shit don't stink.
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Posted: Jul 6th 2009 4:45PM TRONdll said

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What about the people who don't have a very good computer or a 360? How will they play it if all they have is a PS3?
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Posted: Jul 6th 2009 5:55PM Saria the Cat said

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@Klepto: Not everyone has the option of playing on a gaming PC, or even a 360, hence PS3 players wanting a little in on the action. For the rest, I understand you're just stating your personal, reasonable preference, so I don't know why you were voted down.

@Jelster: Yeah, why would people get defensive when they're told their platforms of choice have "obvious deficiencies," anyway? That's like saying Mexicans need to get over being called beaners.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 6:59PM Omega2k3 said

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It's more like telling someone with a mechanical mouse to stop saying that it's better than an optical because they find it 'just as easy to control'.
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Posted: Jul 8th 2009 8:21AM Kleptomaniac said

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Yikes I did get quite the downvote didn't I!

Em yeah I do see the points about not having a PC/360 to play it on. Never really thought about it that way. Thanks to those who replied positively.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 3:55PM ghostbuddy said

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Single best sentence im going to read all week.

"So we look out further and say "now we have to get the good or popular mods to the console guys," then there'll be complete parity between the PC and console. "
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Posted: Jul 23rd 2009 10:58PM (Unverified) said

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I personally am a PS3 gamer, and when I see Left for Dead I wonder why hasn't it came to the PS3, or why not plan it. Or why sit here and give PS3 ports that obviously are worse than the original. But then again, I never see any complaints as to why Xbox's other legendary games haven't ported yet, such as Gears, Halo, and even Fable.

It is because companies like to stick to what they know. Valve started on Xbox, and I see why they stay on Xbox. just like Guerrilla started on Playstation.

But as I mention Guerrilla, it also brings into mind that they thought the PS3 was easy, to format for. So why give crap ports, or at least not try to port.

Now this would be different if it were like the Fallout 3 DLC situation, if L4D was out on both systems, then they come out with L4D2 and say only the Xbox gets it.

Now, for some reason I think my post sound idiotic, and probably does. But I wish L4D was on the PS3, but all the while I understand why Valve doesn't move it.

But as for the sequel, It could be released as an expansion pack, and DLC. But then again, who doesn't want to pocket a few extra dollars, no matter how pure or loyal?
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 4:19PM Typicalgamer said

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it should be 40 bucks, valve. cmon, valve, it's basically L4D with a few new maps,characters and slight improvements.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:25PM Johnny Locke said

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Are you thick?
It is a sequel, it isnt going to re-invent the wheel,its just going to add some more spokes, hold on i am getting lost in this metaphor.

The point is you just described a sequel, rainbow six vegas 2 didnt add THAT much to the first, but i still loved it.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 8:07PM Amoveo said

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Rainbow Six Vegas 2 was a perfect example of an expansion pack that was sold as a sequel. It wasn't a new game, it should have been a standalone expansion and on PC it should have incorporated the original into it. Unless you change the game you shouldn't claim its a sequel and charge full price.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 4:22PM (Unverified) said

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I read (and there's a dedicated website to it) that the "boycott" is because people feel that they're releasing this game too soon after part 1 and that this could just be an expansion pack and that they should be focusing on the Half-Life series.

That was a long sentence.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 8:31PM JayVe said

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Foetoid is right. I can play on dual-analog, but Wiimote/Nunchuck or Keyboard/Mouse is far superior for aiming.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 4:21PM Sly C said

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so this is a side story and sequel combined?
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 4:43PM MowDownJoe said

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"Okay, what else does Francis hate? Baggage."

I can actually hear Francis saying, "I hate baggage."{
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:06PM (Unverified) said

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that zombie in the middle is raising the roof
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:08PM The Blank Mage Returns said

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"First things first, where's HL2 Episode 3?"

*Laughs* "Stay tuned! No news on that today."

*WHAP* "DON'T MAKE ME ASK YOU AGAIN! NOW WHERE! IS! HALF LIFE 2! EPISODE 3!"

"Agh, I said no news t-" *WHAP*
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:27PM Johnny Locke said

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Headslam style.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2009 5:20PM (Unverified) said

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Zombie =/= Infected

Infected =/= Zombie

Thank your for your time Valve.
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