Best Buy's 80GB PS3 to be bundled with MGS4 and Killzone 2 [Update]

Do you prefer the Fat ps3 that does not have any problem at all, you can install linux, the blu-ray drive is not cheap and it's more reliable or do you prefer a cheap version there's just slimier?

Think about the PS2 and PS2 Slim problems

Ironically, my first two "fat" PS2's both worked for about a year before getting the "disc read error" that was common in early PS2s (my PS3's optical drive also crapped out). But the slim PS2 I bought in early 2005 worked until 2008 when it was sold.

Honestly I never had a problem with my PS2 slim so I have no idea what you talking about. Also why would I want to install Linux in my PS3 I just want to play my games thats it.

My PS2 Fat still works. Like a dream. So I'm none too concerned about the next PS3 having BC. I just want it to be cheaper so I can pick up a second one for the Blu-Ray.

Yea, I agree that this a GREAT bundle. I already have a PS3 and I have both games but Sony still has to conduct business. They NEED to offload as many of these PS3s on people as possible.
Sony would actually make a tad bit more on this $399 bundle, even at $100 price drop on the PS3 because MGS4 is $30 and KZ2 is $60 brand new and if someone was to wait for the price drop and buy both games at the same time, they would save about $10...but that is business.
Sony wants to capitalize not only on those who aren't hip to a possible price drop and get excited just see two hot games bundled with a system for $399 that is usually $399 without the games and will make the purchase but ALSO on those who are aware of the possible price drop who think the bundle is a great deal or are just impulsive enough to make the purchase.

Basically, this is business as usual and a good move to try to move the last of these units.

Yeah i know, but all my friends (i skipped last gen) told me that all the PS2s where like early xboxes, all broke, the laser reader received most complaint.

It was not 1 friend, was everyone... they all had 1 or 2 ps2 slim and everyone told me it was cheap... The place where i work there's a ps2 that only works if it's on a 45 degree inclination.

And the linux thing it's just a plus, as i read from that super_secret dude that ps3 slim won't be able to install it and the blu-ray reader will be a cheap one... i guess we'll be seeing lots of complaints, i wouldn't be an early adopter of the slim...

early PS2 Slim* sorry

anecdotal evidence ftl

generally, ps2 slims were more reliable than fats

There's been various bundles of the PS3 for a while now, either by Sony or by retail, so that there's yet another bundle, doesn't exactly strike me as Earth shattering news. It's like throwing in a free gold plated refridgerator system for a Cadillac Escalade. It's great and all, but is it what everyone wants?

I think what everyone would REALLY wants is a price reduced PS3. And I'm beginning to wonder if Sony will maintain any momentum with all these bundles and uh, a model with a bigger hard drive. How about a cheaper model?

That's the part of the "rumor" I'm most interested in.

That I see the PS3 at the same price with different configurations week to week in Best Buy ads only frustrates me.

@Ashkental
wow...so you made the claim, not off information that you actually know of, but from stuff you heard from your friends? Awesome!!! i have a talking unicorn that i'd love to sell to you, reply back for details!!!

To those posting about the disc read errors on the fat PS2's I've had about 5 different fat PS2's and only one gave me a problem and it was only a disc door jamming problem. I had 5 because I sold most of them to make some money for college, and ended up buying others and reselling again(never learned my lesson lol). I had only 1 PS2 slim and it was hell after the first month I got it, the door shut swtch worked whenever it felt like it and I ended up breaking it trying to make it work, I had to glue the switch to be able to play games, then it started to scratch games randomly, and after that it started to freeze randomly as well, what i did was to trade it to a friend for an xbox and retrade the xbox for a fat PS2. I sold it to my cousin to get my PS3 and last time i went by it was still working fine. Of the other 4 PS2s 2 are still working, 1 was sold to a gamestop still working, and the last one is unknown.

Too bad it won't play my old Killzone 1 or my entire Metal Gear Solid collection of PS2 games. Why did Sony take out the backwards compatibility? It seems really stupid now. :(

hey dipshit that's why you have a PS2 right? Use your fucking head.. they took it out because it was hurting them in the long run. Leave last gen behind and move on already.

I just bought a 160GB a few months ago...


What a slap to the face...

What he said FTW

I think it's a pretty good deal. What else can they (realistically) do at this point?

I was actually going to say this but you beat me to it.

MOST . BADASS . BUNDLE . EVER!

I play my Playstation more than my Xbox...

And I'd say the bundles are about comparable. I know this will start a flame war, but... Halo is a little bit more desirable than MGS4, I'd say (at least from a market standpoint). And as for Fable VS KZ2, I'd say they're both good titles, though quality-wise, KZ2 probably wins out by a hair. As for which of KZ and Fable is more desirable from a market standpoint, I think they're about equally known.

All and all, I'd say the included games in the bundle are about even, MAYBE giving the slight nod to Microsoft.

However, I will say that this is a very enticing bundle. Two GREAT games being offered for "free." It is a kinda nice deal, I will say.

The Halo 3/ Fable II bundle might have been better if MS wasn't packaging 2008 Zephyr Elites in the boxes...hence it's 1 star rating on Amazon.
I already bought the Uncharted pack in December when I picked up my TV, but if I hadn't, I would definitely pick this up.

I've still got a PS2 Phat from 2002 that works just fine, so why do I need BC?
If people want BC, it likely means they have a PS2...so why not just keep it and hook it up when you want to play it?

Wow $400? I'm dubious of that price but if its true I think I'll finally pick up a PS3.

Yeah the Kotaku article this links to says it's $400, which is the standard PS3 price. So 2 of the best games on ps3 for free basically, can't go wrong with that.

*GLEE!*

My friend is going to be pissed. He bought a PS3 about a month ago, and his first two games were MGS4 and Killzone 2. Probably bought the system for more than $400 too.

there no pleasing some people :)

Man, so do I. I bought a 60gb PS3 back in May 2008, really anxious to play the game but it had to crap out on me just before the game came out and I got a 360 and now a PC. I'll play the game someday........

Yeah, there's so much MSG in good games these days.

Metal Sear Golid 4: Puns of the Gatriots

and you didnt get it fixed ?

Yeah, everyone asks me that. I bought it refurbished from Gamestop (only way to get a 60gb in my area, I hate Gamestop) and I don't think Sony would have fixed it because of that. Would they have still fixed it? My little brother bought it and he was just so pissed off at it breaking and also taking our 2.5" hard drive with it that he just wanted to get rid of it and I got him an Xbox 360 to make up for it.

I regret doing it and we should have waited and gotten it fixed. Even if we fixed the Blu-Ray drive, it probably would have died eventually from the YLOD as well. These 60gb units have the most features but also the most likely to break. : (

I thought they didn't make MSG in food anymore! Something about it always being in here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gEzLDVfLS8&feature=channel_page

Thats funny because I have had my ps3 60gig since launch (thats what 3 yrs now ? ) and its still running strong no issues.. you do know you could take out the disk from the ps3, I dont understand the disk issue..

From what i've seen & read & heard the 360 has an appalling fail rate not the ps3, just sounds like a dumb move to sell a console with an impressive stability rate to buy one with such a huge failure rate.. Each to their own i guess

The PS3 has a significant hardware issue rate as well. Ironically, my PS3's Blu-Ray drive busted after playing GTA4 for just two weeks, Metal Gear Solid 4 has also damaged some drives. Whereas my 360 played GTA4 for a year no problem until it died from the E74 error in May but was fixed for free by Microsoft with a 1 week turn-around time.

I really want Sony to fix the YLOD and Blu-Ray disc issues for units outside the 1 year warranty instead of charging $150.

Chick-fli-A has a lot of MSG4.

Does the ps3 have a significant hardware failure rate ? According to who ? where did you find this out from ? where is your source of information ? prove your statement !

Take a look at some of the you tube videos of the ps3 being dismantled, take a look at the cooling solution alone, if anything its been over engineered, hence why it has had such a low failure rate.

All electronic components have a set failure rate and the ps3 if anything is below 1%, if it was more there would be loads of people complaining about it.. Its like saying the wii should increase its warranty and offer free repairs for 3 years when their console is perfectly within the accepted failure rates.

Microsoft _had_ to extend the warranty or would have had to do a product recall because it is a shoddy/faulty product, it is being sued in california (class action lawsuit) for producing such a faulty hardware product.

You bought a second hand ps3, you have no idea what the guy before you did to it and yet you claim the ps3 has a high failure rate because of the 2nd hand console you bought. if your argument was based on solid fact I wouldn't be picking apart your argument apart right now, i still dont get the thing you made up about the hdd, that made no sense at all.. If your blu ray drive fails what does that have to do with the hdd ? That makes no sense at all, even the ylod has nothing to do with the hdd..

for proofs about the 360 issues:

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/blogs/sidebar/909182374/26580495/xbox-360-failure-fiasco-explained-in-depth.html

Takahashi quotes a Microsoft engineer who raised the issue of hardware reliability in August of 2005, months before the system's November launch. At the time, 68 of every 100 Xbox 360s made by Microsoft's Chinese manufacturing partners were coming off the line nonfunctional. Worse still, when the first batch of the system's three-core CPUs rolled off the line, only 16 percent worked.

(add a http:// to the links only 3 allowed in a post)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

gamer.blorge.com/2007/05/31/microsofts-xbox-secret-failure-rates/

gizmodo.com/gadgets/gaming/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers-271487.php

arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/02/xbox-360-failure-rates-worse-than-most-consumer-electornics.ars

yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08%2F12%2F16%2F1644242&from=rss

games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/10/2233228

technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article2031171.ece

www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2007/may/31/whatsthetrue

www.joystiq.com/2007/06/16/a-valiant-attempt-to-get-xbox-360-failure-rate-answers/

Take your pic who you trust, even timesonline and gaurdian in the mix all pointing to the appalling failure rates for the 360, now show me some links that demonstrate just how "significant" the ps3 issues are please..


ps3 failure rate articles I have found, doing a quick search

digg.com/playstation/Store_managers_detail_PS3_failure_rate_at_less_than_1

www.pcworld.com/article/136054/sony_claims_ps3_failure_rate_of_less_than_1_percent.html

PS3 failure rates are "around .02 percent" according to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe founder, Chris Deering while speaking at the Edinburgh Interactive Festival on Tuesday.


gizmodo.com/gadgets/take-that,-msoft/ps3-failure-rate-less-than-one-percent-275179.php

while at a recent Nintendo gaming event a gaming journalist confessed to me that half his magazine's staff had to replace their Xbox 360s. The bottom line: Sony builds solid products and keeps manufacturing in-house. Microsoft farms out each component to the lowest bidder, and the practice is hurting consumers.

You were saying ?

@Sc00by_y00

He was saying the Blu-Ray drive.

Not the cooling, cpu, or whatever else. And you're citing a Sony marketing drone as a source? Gimme a break.

How are you supposed to play games with a broken bluray drive? A failure is a failure.

My ps3 had its Blu ray drive stop out on it half a year after I bought it. And I have looked on the Ps3 boards and seen that some people have the same problem as me...Kicking out nearly a year into buying it. It is not as big as the 360...But it is still relevant with the 60g having a problem.

@eh exactly :)

@Freestyle Farfetchd, the Sony rep was just 1 quote out of 3 sites linked (I dont believe their failure rate is that low either, I figure its about

my comment got cut somehow dont know what happened, was meant to say that @lav you probably fall into the

Its too big a hit to take, they are already losing some money on each console sold .. Might be breaking even now, but if they were to reduce it by $100 that would be an extra $100 loss on each one sold, the game bundles will probably only be ~ $20 loss on each bundle sold. This makes it a lot more attractive because to Sony it may only be $20 lost but the consumer each game is what $60 ? so thats a significant gain for them kind of win, win for both..