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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:34PM phillipsteak said

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seems like m+ isnt working as well as nintendo hyped it up to be
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:41PM (Unverified) said

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so WM+ is fail because the developers didn't feel like using 1:1 sword play?
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:46PM bm111 said

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lol well he obviously had his judgment ready way before WM+ even came out. If he actually cared to have a worthwhile opinion he'd have looked at some already released games that use it to great effect.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:48PM EDay said

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"is fail"? That s what passes as good grammar these days. Truly, truly sad. Next time trying something like "is a failure". You'l find you come across less tool-like that way.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:49PM (Unverified) said

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or maybe developers arent taking full advantage of m+, the game was partially developed and then adapted to work with m+ so thats a strike against them already. they should have started over again from stage one after they learned of the m+. I'm still burned by ubisoft after buying shaun white and discovering there's no goofy support.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:51PM BananaBoat said

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"next time trying"

Oh god the irony.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:21PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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@ Jimbotron

Welcome to the Internet.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:22PM MatisyahuSerious said

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lets let wii sports resort be the judgment call on wm+

i love it in tiger, but i want to see a first-party title really do it justice....or not.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:26PM Ravnos said

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@BananaBoat: The ironing is delicious.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:30PM (Unverified) said

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Jimbotron,
Try using apostrophes before you critique the grammar of others. Also, "Truly, truly sad." is a sentence fragment, not a sentence.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:30PM phillipsteak said

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i'm in no way a nintendo hater, and in fact used to be a wii only owner; however, from much of the feedback i've heard so far, it doesn't offer the amount of preciseness nintendo hyped it to be. i'm just saying, nintendo hyped it up to be this whole scene changer and the impact it has created has been less than just the announcement of natal.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:31PM phillipsteak said

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oh and R.I.P. Billy Mays :'(
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 7:17PM xxxsam said

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@philip: so how much 'impact', in terms of actual genuine commercial-release games, or even (like this) previews of those games, have you seen from Natal?

That's right, none, no impact at all. Even if Red Steel 2's swordplay is only fractionally less shitty than Red Steel 1's swordplay, that's still more impact than Natal has had so far.

If you mean more theoretical impact, more people talking about it, etc, then yes a totally new system using a largely new method of interaction (camera not new, 3d camera new for major game system) got more discussion than an enhancement that makes an existing controller work better - big surprise there.

Natal may be fantastic but it hasn't had an impact *yet*. When it comes out, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunity to see what exciting things it can do (and probably, that some companies will also use it to make shitty games that aren't any better than with a traditional controller). Maybe there will be a Red Steel Natal and maybe it will have eight sword angles instead of seven in the Motion Plus version. Whatever. Let's judge it then. For now, it's ridiculous to compare it to MotionPlus in any way.

MotionPlus games need to be compared against other MotionPlus games and previous Wii games, not an unproven prototype control system, on a totally different console platform, that's still far from release.

(I am not dissing Natal at all - it may turn out to be great for certain types of game - there is just no point whatsoever in bringing it up in this context.)

In this case, kind of sounds like swordfighting in Red Steel 2 isn't as good as in Wii Sports Resort. That's relevant. And the rest of the game sounds pretty crappy too, graphics aside. That's relevant, too. No need for random fanboy splooges about other unreleased systems when we have relevant facts.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:35PM Tre said

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Let's hope it's better in the final game... I was actually kinda interested in it, for the fact that it probably will be able to do what the first one didn't.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:37PM StormEagle said

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The screenshots looks pretty sweet. But I messed around with WM+ the other day at the local Best Buy. Didn't seem to do much more that the Wii Remote does by itself.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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That seems to be a common complain i'm seeing with most motion + games, that it doesn't seem to do much more than normal. Kinda defeats the point of having it doesn't it?
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:45PM (Unverified) said

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were you playing Tiger Woods 2010? If so, did you try to compare how it worked with motion+ and without?
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:49PM EDay said

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Then you didn't mess around with it enough.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:51PM StormEagle said

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Thanks Jimbo. I didn't know you were fucking there.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:53PM StormEagle said

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I played both Tiger and Grand Slam Tennis. WM+ didn't vastly improve my experience on either. I guess I've just adapted to the regular Wii Remote controls.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 12:59PM bm111 said

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I find it highly amusing that Tmac is no different from the way he's always been. I guess he didn't even need to try and pretend for his "experiment".

Anyway, I'm guessing none of you big hardcore gamerz have actually tried, for example, the frisbee golf game in Tiger Woods. Hell, I was skeptical myself, expecting a lot of lag from what I'd seen in the videos. But the hand with the frisbee follows every move of your hand, you can throw it any way you want, and it works perfect and lag-free. In fact I liked it a lot better than the actual golf, because it's so simple yet so realistic and immediate.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:00PM (Unverified) said

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heres what you need to do

go back to Best Buy, walk up to the Tiger Woods kiosk (or whatever they have), exit out of golf, enter Disc Golf, remove Motion+, move your hand around (your hand, not your arm) like a crazy person, put Motion+ back in, repeat step 6
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:03PM Vidikron said

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I have to say that I'm pretty impressed with Tiger Woods 2010 on the Wii. I started playing it over the holiday weekend and it is a lot of fun. The golf isn't always a perfect 1:1, but if you want to see how the potential of the WM+ try out the disc golf. It tracks your hand movement nearly perfectly.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:04PM StormEagle said

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@bm That's because people don't buy Tiger Woods GOLF to throw a damned frisbee. Who cares how accurate it is mesauring your grip on a plastic disc? It's supposed to increase the realism involved when swinging your virtual golf club, especially when trying to putt.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:08PM (Unverified) said

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go back to Wii Sports Golf and try putting

now go to Tiger Woods and try putting


which is better? *Hint: Its the latter*
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:09PM (Unverified) said

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I fail to see what I did wrong just now.... I've been hearing that a lot on joystiq/kotaku and the weekly 1up podcast I listen to, among other places.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:11PM StormEagle said

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It's the same for me Moptimus. Like I said, and I'm not going to argue all day, but it's the same effect for me. Like any other game you play after a while, you compensate for the technology not being 1:1 with your real movements. And it obviously differs from game to game. I have high hopes for Wii Sports Resort. Someone on here said that it works great. But even Joystiq has further video testimonial proof that the WM+ hasn't 100% cut it so far. And for me, my personal hands-on time the other day reaffirmed those claims.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:11PM Vidikron said

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"It's supposed to increase the realism involved when swinging your virtual golf club, especially when trying to putt."

It actually does that pretty well too, just make sure the swing style is set to "Advanced" and putting set to "Precision Putting". For example, I discovered that I have a natural draw to my swing and I have to either adjust my aim or concentrate while swinging to avoid it... never have I had to deal with anything like that in a golf game. When putting you have to watch the face of the putter to make sure you don't accidently push the ball off center. I've never had to deal with either of those in a golf game before and it really adds a lot to the game. Of course, all this isn't to say that I don't miss the beautifully rendered courses the other systems can produce... it's shame the Wii can't deliver both experiences.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:15PM StormEagle said

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I'll have to check out those setting Vid. I didn't realize it was all that....Thanks.

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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:16PM (Unverified) said

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"But even Joystiq has further video testimonial proof that the WM+ hasn't 100% cut it so far."

link plz?
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:20PM MatisyahuSerious said

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in what game?
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:26PM (Unverified) said

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"But even Joystiq has further video testimonial proof that the WM+ hasn't 100% cut it so far. "

really? Your link says otherwise

now, if you meant the games, thats another issue
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:34PM StormEagle said

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If you're not going to watch the video of them playing the games and having people who've never played Wii before play them, than just drop it already.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:44PM (Unverified) said

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGCZOXU2uVU&feature=player_embedded

yep, sounds like WM+ is just a total failure. They HATED it. They never want to see a Wii again in their lifetimes.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:51PM StormEagle said

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Moptimus, you're obviously so blinded by love for the peripheral that you only saw what you wanted to in those videos. Yes, the golfers enjoyed it. And it did work, but the male golfer once again expressed concern over the putting, which has always plagued golfing on the Wii. Then there's the precious frisbee golf, which always gives 100% power whether you put your whole body into the throw or just flick your wrist. Then, in GST, the game never really knows which side your swinging from. It guesses and the player does this "magnetized" run towards the balls position to land your swing. I don't exactly call that 1:1.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 1:54PM (Unverified) said

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so you're complaining about the GAMES, not the peripheral itself.

Which (as I pointed out earlier) is another issue entirely
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:03PM Mr Khan said

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"and the weekly 1up podcast I listen to"

There's your problem, right there.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:03PM StormEagle said

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No, but as I said before when we started this back-and-forth, it's my observation and experience that the WM+ has yet to back up it's claims. And that's from PERSONAL observation and experience. 'Nuff said.

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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:13PM (Unverified) said

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so, you're basically saying anecdotal evidence > facts?


Well, I've got some anecdotal evidence here that says the Holocaust never happened, so I guess all those camps and mass graves were just the Jews way of showing the world how emo they were
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:17PM StormEagle said

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Dude, what the fuck are you talking about now? Seriously.

Read carefully. All I said in my initial statement was that I played both Tiger Woods and Grand Slam Tennis and that it didn't seem to make a difference to me. And of course, all the idiots come out of the woodwork to tell me that I didn't do this right and didn't do that right and that the WM+ really does work. How in the fuck are you going to tell me what experience I got from two games that I played? The experience that I recieved at the kiosk seemed on point with what Engadget reported in their video hands-on. That's what the facts are. And now you're spouting some BS about the Holocaust and whatever. Get outta here man.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:24PM (Unverified) said

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"The experience that I recieved at the kiosk seemed on point with what Engadget reported in their video hands-on."

your experience is "The peripheral doesnt work"

their experience is "The peripheral works, but the games aren't worth jizzing in your pants over"
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:24PM Vidikron said

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"Then there's the precious frisbee golf, which always gives 100% power whether you put your whole body into the throw or just flick your wrist. "

Hmmm... that really isn't true. I actually had a hard time trying to get 100% for first few throws. I kept getting between 60-80%. But like driving in the golf portion, I think power is more about proper form than it is about raw speed of your motion. In that sense it isn't 1:1. Power comes more from how far you back swing and making sure you follow through. The power can be altered by the speed of your motion, but not in true 1:1 fashion.

BUT I actually think that's somewhat of a good thing. Imagine if you actually had to swing your arm as hard to get a 300 yard drive as you would in real life. I literally nearly threw out my arm doing exactly that in the golf portion trying to get 100% (seriously, my arm was in pain) until I realized my problem was that I wasn't going back far enough on my back swing, not that I wasn't swining hard enough. You still have to swing firmly, but not so much that losing the Wiimote would knock someone out.

Anyway, back to the disc golf, I was able to get less than 100% pretty much at will. You just have to remember that at longer distances adjusting power is more about the form. At short putting distances (for both golf and disc golf) it becomes much more of a 1:1 affair with speed of your swing/throw. But at all times form is a true 1:1. You can easily draw or fade drive with a simple twist of your wrist in golf and the flight of the disc in disc golf is highly adjustable based on the angle of the throw (e.g. you can throw the disc with the leading edge angled up to get a soft drop throw... or whatever those are properly called).
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:28PM StormEagle said

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Hey Moptimus, next time you quote someone, make sure you do it right. Because at no point do I ever say "The peripheral doesn't work".

I say it "Didn't seem to do much more that the Wii Remote does by itself.", and "WM+ didn't vastly improve my experience on either".

Are we done yet?
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 2:46PM StormEagle said

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Ok, this is the last reply I'm going to make to you because your thick skull is just pissing me off now.

You didn't paraphrase shit. If the peripheral simply "didn't work" as you so eloquently put it, then I wouldn't have been able to play the game at all. The games wouldn't have responded period. They did help, a little, but not in the way that the peripheral has been advertised. Does that make it better for you to understand, or do you need a See-N-Say or something?
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 3:05PM (Unverified) said

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"You didn't paraphrase shit. If the peripheral simply "didn't work" as you so eloquently put it, then I wouldn't have been able to play the game at all. The games wouldn't have responded period."

wait.......what? Having Wii Motion+ doesn't mean that the Wiimote suddenly depends on it to do everything. If it didn't work, you'd still have the function of a regular Wiimote.

"They did help, a little, but not in the way that the peripheral has been advertised."

for the 3rd time, your complaints should be directed towards the games, not the peripheral. Also, just because something can happen (1:1) doesn't mean it will. I CAN go out and try to assassinate the president, but that doesn't mean I will. Hell, the people behind Grand Slam even said that they wouldn't be doing 1:1. Just like the people who are making Red Steel 2 said they wouldn't have 1:1 sword play.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 3:32PM StormEagle said

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Well Moptimus I've read online that it does in fact effect the regular Wiimote functions. And here's a link for you just in case you need some evidence of just one of the issues. (http://techforums.nintendo.com/nins/board/message?board.id=wii_tech&message.id=26356).

And the point, once again, is they claim that the WM+ allows for more accurate reading of the movement of your hand/arms and I have not experienced that.
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Posted: Jul 7th 2009 4:00PM Jerk Face said

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Jesus. Look at this failstorm. All because Eagle said the not-so-awesome WM+ is not so awesome? I love Nintendo Kids. Have fun jet skiing.
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