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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 11:22AM (Unverified) said

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Against the CPU. But the CPU's pretty easy to beat (even Seth) once you learn what it will fall for.

Do human opponents really fall for lariat, though? It's so easy to beat lariat spammers.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 12:05PM (Unverified) said

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Yes Zangief is seriously overpowered and takes no skill to play. His stamina and strength are off the charts and long as you can do green hands->ultra/360 grab you can beat most players. Once you knock someone down just cross up with j.fp then lariat, or throw in an ultra or 360 grab if they don't fall for that. Very tough to beat...unless you pick sagat or seth.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 11:10AM Jawmuncher said

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I never want to see seth ever again in SP.
I can't beat normal because of him I can own all the other fights but not him he's soo cheap!

But I still got all the characters playing on easy :(

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 11:14AM samfish said

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Seth is a total bitch, but I never had too much trouble against Sagat. Although it's hard to deny that Sagat has a bit too much priority with his special moves.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 12:24PM Johnny Neat said

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Sagat is a push over, Seth was the number one issue with this game in my opinion and there are a few. So past the fact that I may have gotten to an age where playing this past an hour is painfully repetitive and boring, I have to say Seth is a game breaker. Oh and playing online isn't as fun as I'd imagined for so many years it would be. Players are some cheap game exploiting hacks. I swear, it it weren't for the fact I'm a completionist (AKA Achievement Whore) I would have quit the game after 5 matches online, regardless if I won or lost a match it wasn't any fun.

The Street Fighter series, including Alphas, is my fave of all time by just the amount of time I've put into it in my life time up till now and the amount of quarters & time I put into arcade machines, even after I owned it for the Super Nintendo.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 12:18PM (Unverified) said

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Pfft, everybody knows that Sagat is like Cable; with that in mind, I just hope that Capcom will NOT nerf Sagat, seeing how nerfing will kick Sagat off from and out of being the best character in the game.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:24PM Vegnagun said

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Why is that a bad thing in a fighting game? There shouldn't be a *best* character in SF IV.
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Posted: Jul 15th 2009 6:49PM (Unverified) said

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Dude, tell that to MvC2 players, and we'll come back to that later.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 12:34PM (Unverified) said

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I don't understand how people have problems with Sagat. He's not that difficult to defeat. Many of his attacks leave him wide open for some pretty massive combos. Vega and Blanka are my problem...*sigh*

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 10:57PM ProcrastinationXtravaganza said

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I'm with you Money, i'm not at all concerned with Sagat, i may lose 1 in 10,..Blanka and Vega give me more trouble,..I find that NOT jumping helps with Blanka, also jump kicking his horizontal ball and also block then jab when he tries a jumpkick jab combo. For Vega I rush - if you give players time to wall jump he has just too many attacks. The key is, Vega has to down-charge them all, so dont give players time to charge,,.if he does wall jump, try a jumpkick and many times you will catch him before he executes an attack. Down with Blanka/Vega spammers!
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 1:45PM Vegnagun said

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This is why a ton of people hate fighting games. Balanced fighting games are few and far between so why spend all of your time understanding a character and learning the intricacies of the game if some jackass can roll up and beat you with some sound button mashing combined with an OP character.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:02PM (Unverified) said

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So you're saying you're not at all familiar with Street Fighter IV (or any other quality fighting games).

Sagat, the top-ranked character, has ~140/250 wins (a 56% win rate) compared to ~130/250 (52%) for each of the five characters below him. The lowest ranked characters are at ~100/250 wins (40%). Sure, not every character is exactly at 125/250 (50%), but that's pretty darn close. Most of Sagat's individual match-ups are even 5-5 matches, as well (though he has a few 7-3s and a number of 6-4s).

In any case, mashing buttons will get you nowhere in SF.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:21PM Vegnagun said

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Balance wouldn't indicate a near 60% win rate for one character and a 40% win rate for some other characters. SF IV isn't balanced. At least it's not as bad as Blazblue (which I find to be a more fun fighting game, anyway). Blazblue's Hakumen and V-13 are stupidly unbalanced.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:37PM (Unverified) said

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No game where you can make a meaningful choice of characters is perfectly balanced. Having the very strongest character at 56% is about as close to balanced as gaming gets. Heck, look at sports games like Madden or FIFA, or MMORPGs (duels), or even chess (where white's win rate is also around 56%).
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 4:18PM jynxycat said

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Hakumen is unbalanced?

Hopefully you mean he's unbalanced because he's horrible.

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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 4:33PM Vegnagun said

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Maybe if you don't know how to play him, but Hakumen is OP considering the range his attacks have and the damage he deals. The original 10 characters in Blazblue are perhaps the most balanced cast in any fighting game in the last decade, but a decent Hakumen or V-13 is too OP.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2009 4:00PM Haohmaru said

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Okay, on the topic of BlazBlue.. I'll give you V-13, but HAKUMEN? He's a slug and considered low-tier with very good reason. Maybe you meant to say Arakune.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:10PM Addfwyn said

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Well, I think most people knew this, SFIV is pretty poorly balanced, I really think Capcom should have spent more time working on this. They COULD always release a patch for the game, but that may piss off longterm players. I had a friend who repicked his main cause his previous character wasn't a good enough tier. You shouldn't have to do that in any fighter, every character should be competitive, with no more than 5.5 ratio favouring a character.

They'll probably just ride on it, changing too much may be a bad idea, with so much competition coming out for 2D fighters. We already have BlazBlue (which is almost perfectly balanced, except Haku and Tager being too weak) and soon we'll have KoF XII too (remains to be seen how that will pan out).

SF's glory days are a couple generations back, with SF2 imo. They can always return to that though. Capcom isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and they'll learn from their mistakes I am sure.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:23PM Vegnagun said

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Blazeblue isn't perfectly balanced by any stretch of the imagination.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:30PM Addfwyn said

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I said almost perfectly balanced, it's not Virtua Fighter (Granted, few fighters are) in terms of balance. But it certainly beats the balance from SFIV. It's the best balanced 2D fighter I've seen in a while, at least til KoF XII comes out

The only character I'd say is notably better than most are Rachel or Arakune, and they are tempered by the fact that almost nobody so far can play them at their best potential.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 4:34PM Vegnagun said

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I completely disagree. Rachael and Arakune aren't in any way better than other characters, and it takes forever to play either of them to their full potential.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2009 4:09PM Haohmaru said

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V-13 and Arakune dominate every BB tier list in existence, though Arakune needs curse/bees to reach his full potential in that regard.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 2:58PM KwietStorm said

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Sagat has always been top tier and extremely powerful. Why is it an "issue" now? Seth is just corny. I feel that generally, the game has good balance though.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 3:27PM Istari Spartan said

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Is it only me who thinks this game is SERIOUSLY lacking a story mode.

Its like there's a start scene... and then a almost random ending scene that does nothing to explain the events inbetween.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 3:38PM GoonieGooGoo said

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Too bad 95% of online players out there refuse to play anything but the lame characters of KEN & RYU......

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 3:59PM Maxx the Slasher said

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Overpowered Seth and Sagat? That's it? How about overpowered Abel? His throw drains nearly 1/3rd of an opponents health meter, and every other character's throws do only half that, even Seth's. Tone that **** down, there's no way Abel's throw should be that powerful.

Posted: Jul 13th 2009 5:49PM acme64 said

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or that often
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 5:48PM acme64 said

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im a street fighter noob and i beat them both after a couple of tries the first time i played. quit your whining internet.

Posted: Jul 14th 2009 5:12PM Haohmaru said

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The issue of "balance" comes into play in competitive multiplayer. Arcade mode is cake.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2009 10:49PM BoBsS said

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I can't believe that no one has talked about Akuma.

I think I've beaten Akuma maybe 3 or 4 times .... out of the 20 or so that I've lost to that stupid bullshit tactic of shooting from far, then jumping and shooting and repeating ....

Posted: Jul 14th 2009 5:43PM acme64 said

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i wasn't aware you can play as them in multiplayer. thats the SF noob part coming into play

Posted: Jul 14th 2009 7:45PM (Unverified) said

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Sagat can use a makeover, but he's honestly not that bad. You can learn to deal with him, but he still gives a lot of trouble. At least you know what to expect against Sagat; after so many generations of fighters, you always had to deal with him.

The main problem people have with Zangeif is not knowing how to fight him; Zangeif changes the way the game is played, so you can't fight him like any other game. His matchups are generally positive, but he doesn't have as many overwhelming matchups as Sagat does; most characters have a few moves in their arsenal they can zone him out with.

Seth is good when played perfectly, but if you can play Seth perfectly, then you can play any other character perfectly. His low health and damage really balance him out, unlike Sagat.

But who the hell is going to read this? It's on the second page.

Posted: Jul 14th 2009 11:30PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, that is truly amazing!

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Posted: Jul 15th 2009 6:14AM (Unverified) said

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Its true that Seth is impossibly hard to beat. And at first that pissed me off because I was like, "Aaargh!!! Why would you make a game unbeatable!?" and then one day I beat him on ultra hard. And I will remember that day for the rest of my life. Very satisfying indeed...

Posted: Jul 15th 2009 10:36AM (Unverified) said

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i'm sorry but, the only people still bitching about this are scrubs. nobody in the street fighter community cares. we for damn sure aren't worried about sagat and seth players. sagat is in no way like o.sagat in super turbo. seth has less health than akuma. fierce punch him 3 times to take the round. you have to have the utmost excellent of execution skills to be able to properly play seth for that matter. most of his specials overlap each other so you can very easily get the wrong move at any given moment. the only thing you have to worry about is the fact that he can crossup with with roundhouse, and a small combo afterwards will put you on the road to quickly getting your ass stunned. but only if you let him.


sagat players tend to be too forumlaic with him. easy to read with a little bit of patience and skill. only thing i can really complain about him is that they gave him a jump in overhead attack that he really didn't need. aside from that, everyone running this story needs to stfu cuz they probably aren't even playing street fighter anymore, or they're too damn scrubby to learn how to play the game right and beat not just players using those characters, but just anyone in general. flowchart ken won't take you very far i'm afraid.

Posted: Jul 15th 2009 2:31PM (Unverified) said

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yes sagat is so overpowered that that a dhalsim won the japan nationals, and ryu won the korean nationals, while rufus won worlds tournament. Wait wtf no sagat in there?

Posted: Jul 18th 2009 2:44PM (Unverified) said

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First to say "Ryu and Ken are holding a sword, omg."
HAHA! You all blow for not stating the obvious which happens to be cool!!!!1 Youth rules!

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