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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 4:10AM Punk said

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in regards to motion, I have the real thing for that
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 4:15AM War Machine said

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Scre motion controllers, how about reinventing the franchise with good controls and non-crappy AI?
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 4:22AM (Unverified) said

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He doesn't seem that cautious to me but rather quite open to the idea.

I would bet that the the "B" team (that did Ultimate Team this year and will do World Cup next year) will do something motion related for a 2011 release.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 4:38AM (Unverified) said

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Surely if you're going to play FIFA or what not with the motion control stuff you may as well go out and play football properly?
And that pretty much stands for most games. Don't shoehorn motion in, people like games because it allows them to do something they can't do in real life. I dunno about you but Id never be able to do all them high kicks the kid was doing in the Natal video, but I can do a bit of button mashing in Tekken easily.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 4:44AM (Unverified) said

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downrank me.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 5:40AM (Unverified) said

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wat? why even comment?
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:10AM Istari Spartan said

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Not without a damned good reason!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 9:03AM RobS the 3rd said

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No, in fact I voted you up. What are you going to do now? huh? HUH!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:22AM (Unverified) said

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upvote :D.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:14AM Indefinite Implosion said

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argh!
he's using reverse psychology on us!
don't fall for it!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 11:35AM (Unverified) said

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Indefinite Implosion is right, I wanted to see if reverse psychology would work hahaha.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 5:16AM (Unverified) said

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A football(soccer) game doesnt last 75 minutes if thats what you mean it lasts 90 without extra time
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:28AM Abubakar said

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He's probably expecting to get substituted.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 12:26PM aughscreennames said

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In FIFA its a maximum of 30 minutes
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 5:27AM (Unverified) said

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microsoft and sony are really still clueless on this whole motion thing - it's either all or nothing. if sony and microsoft want to use motion control, they really need to make a specific controller made just for it like on the wii. i doubt motion could really work for their platforms as it is right now because of the types of games they attract.

waving your arms around like an idiot (and without having precise control of the game like what is capable on the wii) or a stupid wand just don't cut it.

nintendo really got it right with the wii. because of the way they designed their controller, which can function like a cursor or a motion device, an entirely unique class of games exists that you can only purchase on the wii, while the ps3 and xbox 360 are simply PC replacements (since people no longer buy dedicated desktop pcs souped up for gaming).

even making the wii less powerful was a good choice for nintendo. otherwise, it would just have xbox/ps3 ports (which would make people simply avoid the nintendo console, like with the gamecube). with a slower machine, the wii not only HAS to get exclusive games, it's also cheaper to do so (by some estimates 4x cheaper), enabling publishers to take a greater risk on the console. after the gamecube, that's exactly what nintendo needed.

sony, microsoft: look at nintendo and take less than a half-assed lesson. selling trilogies of testosterone-fests won't win you the average gamer, which is today the 25-40 something FEMALE.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:21AM Snowblind said

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While I agree that Microsoft and Sony are going to really need the right type of games, I find some of your comments a little puzzling. Why aren't Natal or the Sony Wand as precise as the Wii remote? Sony's is basically exactly the same as Wii Motion Plus, but the camera technology makes it even more precise and capable of a lot more things. And Natal showed off some very fine movements it can detect, it's not simply a case of waving your arms around, it detects your entire body including individual fingers.

My biggest problem with Natal is that it's most probably going to be used along the lines of the sixaxxes, used for little bits in games, like pushing to open doors, etc, but not really utilized the way it should be.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:22AM (Unverified) said

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I would agree with your logic, except sony didn't half-bake anything. Natal is still silly (try playing a fast-paced accuracy-required FPS), but the demo of the ps3 wand showed it as far better than the wiimote. Heck, I actually think the wiimote AND the wiimotionplus are half-baked. they're jerky and innaccurate, and they require FAR too many peripherals, which must be taken off and exchanged just to play a different game. It's great for mariokart, but in my experience it's gotten in the way far more than it's helped. Looking closely at Natal, the motions are not perfectly fluid or accurate. They don't need to be for cheap family games, but that's about it.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 5:22AM (Unverified) said

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heres the thing:

nobody in the U.S. gives a flying f*ck about FIFA games.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 5:37AM (Unverified) said

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Nobody out of the US gives a flying f*ck about your opinion either.
Joystiq.com, not joystiq.co.us, so expect international readership and stop showing off the stereotypical view that Americans think US is the only country in the world.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 5:49AM paperless said

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deanb = god
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:53AM Premature ejaculation man said

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I think we need a 4th heart for deanb
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:07AM shoan said

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hell I'm American and I agree deanb but then again I have lived over seas a couple of times and in our attic (canada), I kid about the attic comment I loved canada when I lived there.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 9:51AM (Unverified) said

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Ryan. Your name begins with "R" that's 'R' for retarded.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 5:25AM JohnAHD said

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nice to see joystiq posting at this hours...
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:41AM (Unverified) said

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If they're gonna use it on FIFA, they should only use it for things like celebrations, penaltykicks, freekicks, handpasses when the ball goes out of bounds and cornerkicks.
I don't think that people will want to try a bicyclekick on this, especially if they have hardwood floors. There'll be alot of neck injuries.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:51AM Premature ejaculation man said

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Killiam XXIII, my arch nemesis. Also known as "Post the same thing before Premature Ejaculation Man in a less verbose manner"
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:54AM (Unverified) said

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Hahaha! Cheers mate.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:40AM spin cycle said

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You call throw-ins handpasses where you are?

This stuff still sounds like junk to me. Maybe, maybe the after-goal celebrations (which I loathe anyway, but that's another issue), but a soccer match is made up of fifty throw-ins and thirty corner kicks. Using motion control "only" for them will not cut down the problem of requiring too much motion input to pull off a game.

In the end, EVERY bit of motion control has to be optional, or else people who live in small apartments can't play.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 11:29AM (Unverified) said

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Sorry, *throw-ins

There, you happy now?!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:50AM Premature ejaculation man said

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The way I see it, motion control shouldn't take over the gameplay experience, but it should compliment it, (or even just an option)

Lets use this FIFA example. Natal/Ps3 wouldn't be very effective with running around and passing to eachother. However could be used for things like throw-ins, corner kicks or penalty kicks/shootouts.

Things like that put you with more control and provide more immersion (since YOU kick that goal, not a button press) but doesn't ask a lot of the user that would make te game strenuous and annoying if it was relying on motion.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:37AM DinnyHoon said

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75 minutes of football? How'd you work that one out? 45 * 2 = 90!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 11:36AM Cal said

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They probably did some 'research' and found out the matches were 90 minutes long with a 15 minute break
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 12:19PM (Unverified) said

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Cal, you better be kidding me right? The 15 min break is in between two 45 minutes playing time. If you add that up is 105 min. IT BETTER BE SARCASM. Oh and also i can't believe how many people that don't know a flying fuck about fifa are posting. Lousy controls???? I guess some people havent played Fifa 09 at all.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 3:01PM DinnyHoon said

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I thought the same thing Cal. Silly bloggers.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:39AM (Unverified) said

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Dear Joystiq, is there nothing you guys will do about these ad spammers?


Anyhow, I applaud MS for trying to be innovative, and Natal may very well turn out to be the best thing ever, but so far I'm just not interested. If I wanted to do all that I'd go outside and play actual soccer.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:59AM MattyMc13 said

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I'm actually glad for that. I believe that the only games that utilise Natal or the PS3 motion wand, should either be budget retail games, or PSN/XBLA titles.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:20AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Good, I hate plonked in motion controlling. Please Micro and Sony, don't force us to use motion for everything, thats just lame. I don't want to kick from my seat, I don't want to head from my seat either, and I certainly don't want to backflip in my lounge to celebrate, I just want to chill out after a days hard work, log onto fifa online and play against mates, its as simple as that.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:23AM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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Wouldn't make sense on the PS3 anyway. You'd have to strap a lights to your shoes, elbows, knees and head.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:36AM spin cycle said

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Great. It's good to finally hear someone making sense about all this stuff.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:53AM thatflyguy said

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I think that this guy is missing the point. The motion controllers from both Ms and sony are not intended to completely replace the standard gamepad, they are there to be used in certain situations. Nintendo has made a killing of off putting out games that you are only supposed to play for a half hour at most and then put down (or play in groups and only play for short periods at a time, handing off the controller). No one expects you to waggle your way through a game of FIFA, Madden or NHL games.

Motion controllers are supposed to expand gaming into new places, not completely change existing control schemes.

Its not like ms and sony are saying: EA, you must adopt motion control for every single game ever! they instead are saying "see what you can come up with using this new interface." This is what I think was most intriguing about sony's e3 demo: they didnt try to hype it to be the be all end all of IO, instead, they said, "Hey, look what you can do when you have extreme accuracy."

MS said, "Hey, make some cool mini games with this interface, or maybe even break down the 4th wall completely. Also, try navigating a ui using only your body."

EA is missing the point here.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 10:56AM thatflyguy said

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also, many people seem to forget that the PS eye is also capable of body tracking. That, when used in combo with the light sticks, can do depth perception similar (but not quite as well probably) as natal.

just sayin.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 11:50AM Mr Khan said

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This guy's consternation is the exact reason why Natal is going to have one helluva time when it comes to 3rd party support, and equally lends to the reason why 3rd parties have been constantly scratching their heads about Wii.

3rd parties clearly don't understand the purpose.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 1:09PM (Unverified) said

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Penalty kicks + natal = fun
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 3:07PM BlingOnMyWrist said

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Is that a Sony TV?

They're pretty nice... :)
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