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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:43PM (Unverified) said

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If the government is looking at this comment then everyone on joystiq has 2 words for you:


SUCK IT!!!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:06PM latin trident said

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DOWN with the fed and Law Makers!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:43PM cbarrentos said

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"When the government wants you to stop doing something, they tax it. ... In short, the theory is 'fewer people buy things at a higher cost.'"

this caught my attention. as far as the government's options of getting rid of "those evil, evil video games," this seems to be the most feasible option. whether or not it ever comes to pass may be another discussion.
but smokers still smoke, drinkers still drink...if games were ever taxed, gamers will still game.
this begs the question -- in all honesty, does there seem to be any real likelihood of the US government putting any kind of restriction on gaming?
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:44PM Crusty Magic said

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Hopefully not because I already dislike them enough.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:52PM TheDarkWayne said

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the thing is that they can do a lot more. Look at what they've done to cigarettes lately? Im not sure how it is around the country but in NY you cant smoke in restaurants, bars, bus stops, and ive heard they're trying to ban smoking OUTSIDE said restaurants and bars. The government banned alcohol in the 20s, and however ineffective it may have been it still was illegal. There's nothing stopping them other than the absurdity and almost guaranteed failure of them banning games
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:00PM Wolfgun said

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Commodities tobacco aren't taxed because they genuinely want to stop people from buying them, but rather because it generates enormous amounts of tax revenue that most people don't care about.

Take cigarettes for instance. The government can put extremely high taxes on them because there isn't a large majority of people that scream out about it. As far as the average non-smoker is concerned, taxing cigarettes is a good thing because cigarettes are "bad" and maybe the high taxes will make smokers stop smoking.

The government loves that kind of attitude, because it allows them to exploit minorities.

So be on the lookout when you hear representatives of the government scapegoating video games for our youth's problems. If they can get the majority on their side, games will become another easy way to increase tax revenue without making the majority population angry.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:04PM Wolfgun said

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Argh, meant to say "Commodities 'like' tobacco"
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:05PM latin trident said

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@wolfgun:

In case you didn't know, because of the large number of taxes placed on tobacco products, there has been a large boom in under-the-table sales of tobacco products. The government is crying foul because they are not getting the money from those who would have purchased cigarettes at $$$$ a case.

*points and laughs at govt*
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:43PM Crusty Magic said

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Good read, I enjoy these posts along with the interviews Chris Grant does every once in a while.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:45PM Brendan H said

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The government is a kitty? What an adorable invasion of personal rights!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:48PM MarkezJM said

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It comes in paper form as well if you're looking for the close to home feeling of the guvmint watching you. http://tubbypaws.blogspot.com/2008/03/meow-you-can-has-lolcats.html
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:49PM cbarrentos said

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i'm in ur howz of reprezetatifs, killin ur freedomz
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:53PM Picasotriggerfish said

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And how did such a cute kitty manage to cut such a clean rectangle out of the wall?
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:50PM TheDarkWayne said

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"Vigilance of the Public"
LOL
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:53PM Genaldar said

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I just started playing RE5 with my buddy and I have to say I don't find it at all racist. A little sexist yes, but not racist.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:55PM Picasotriggerfish said

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The only racial "statement" i can contrive from RE5 is that black people can be zombies too.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:30PM cmanter said

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Because of the way Sheva (sp?) acted, I think that Capcom is making a statement that "all black women are mentally retarded."

Black zombies? My only comment about the old games in relation to race was that zombies don't like dark meat. I think the old re games had racist zombies in them. Damn you Capcom and your racist zombies.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:58PM Cap Morgan said

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A government for the people, by the people, to tax the people.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:59PM NinjaTaco said

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What's that chick in the background doing? Making out with Santa's Mailbox?
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:06PM (Unverified) said

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and it's not even the deadspace chick!
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 6:59PM sqlrob said

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How can this be done without taxing all media? Isn't anything less unconstitutional?
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:53PM Crono141 said

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Thats what I was wondering. You can tax cigs because they're a consumed commodity. You can tax alcohol and gambling because they're consumed commdities. If you tax games, thats like putting a tax on books. Can you constitutionally do that? Because you aren't taxing a commodity any more, you're taxing speech and expression.

Then again, we all pay sales tax on books and movie tickets, but it seems those are general across the board taxes, not specifically targeting speech.

Speaking of constitutional, I just finished reading the constitution again for the first time since 9th grade government class 15 years ago. I recommend anyone with even a remote interest in what the congress is doing and trying to do give it a read, just to see how screwed up the country has become since the founding document was written.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:02PM latin trident said

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Well, I think we lose more rights everyday to our own government than we do to terrorists hiding in caves in other countries. I love gaming and I hate BIG government. Unfortunately we have a BIG government that is looking for every single way possible to increase revenue. How about soda tax? Yup, they want to do it. SO, our good ol' Uncle Sam Government will find a way to tax us. it is only a matter of time before they come and knock on the gaming business door. Don't believe me? How about when all of the big wigs were trying to tax digital music sold through apple? We are losing more rights and will be taxed more. I believe games will be restricted (story and plot) but I will make sure to buy all my games off of the black market when that happens.

*thinks about politically correct Mario and laughs*
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:13PM TheDarkWayne said

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there wont be a black market of games, and if there will it would be the same ones just cheaper and in poorer condition. You think if games are restricted and limited in terms of story and gameplay there's gonna be huge underground studios producing AAA titles? Dream on
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:16PM Jango311 said

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I'm sad to say that instead of buying games off the black market, most people will just resort to pirating them :(

Pirating already hurts developers today, so just think how much worse it'll get if the government put taxes on it?
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:20PM latin trident said

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I doubt there will be huge AAA titles all the time but I definitely believe there would be productions of amazing games that would be kept under wraps. It would be like Black Mesa Source where it is a variety of people that get together to make an awesome game.

I hope it doesn't happen where government restricts more and more as it is already doing but if the government regulated all games to their guidelines and standards, I believe games would emerge and you would be surprised of the outcome. just an opinion
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:24PM TheDarkWayne said

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black mesa sources has been in development, what, five years? Still not out yet, the same thing for something like Team Gizka which is just a super patch. There's no way we'll be playing real quality games from a black market. Mods and all are great, but a full game from ground up takes a lot more.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:16PM Cap Morgan said

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I'm a smoker and a drinker. They can target anything they want. Except porn. Well give that maybe they can't target games after all.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:29PM dogmaticatheist said

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When you look at how both the Bush Administration and the Obama Administration policies have wrecked and will continue to wreck our economy, I can only come to 2 possible conclusions.

1. The people in charge have no clue what they are doing.

OR

2. They are destroying the economy on purpose.

Either option is equally scary, and equally possible.

As far as the "political correctness" issue goes, as long as people like like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Willie Jefferson are able to make a good living and feed their egos by injecting race into every discussion, we will never be able to move on. Racism is their business, and they need it to thrive.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 7:34PM latin trident said

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Its #2.

Our savior Obama wants change so he is wrecking the economy to cause hyper-inflation to pay the debts we owe to the Chinese. pretty scary just like you stated.

*stocks up on gold and silver*
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 3:43PM BlazeKing said

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Actually, Obama didn't destroy the economy. Bush and his war did.
The war price was out of our budget and it put us further in debt with the Federal Reserve (which is privately owned; go figure)

Our notes are not backed by gold or silver, but trust. If we believe that note is worth $20, that's what it's worth. JFK used OUR country's resources to back the notes with silver a.k.a the Silver Note. We were no longer in debt to the FRS. Income Tax didn't exist then because it's an illegal tax that we're FORCED to pay or we go to jail. Unfortunately he was killed and we went fright back to the Federal Reserve Note.

"Things have to get worse before they get better."

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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 12:49AM (Unverified) said

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In my business class today, one of the questions was name 3 socialist governments today. One of the kids answers Canada, Sweden, and another kid yells out, "The US in 3 years!" Funny, cause' its true.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 5:37AM (Unverified) said

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and oh how we laughed. What a wag!

Unnoticed in the corner the tired old teacher wept a solitary tear as he reflected on the fact that after 3 years of study, he had been unable to impart even a rudimentary understanding of politics to his boistrous students.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 5:09PM F1 Basu Gasu Bakuhatsu said

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@Blazeking
Sure Bush was the final hole that sunk the boat but that boat was already Swiss cheese when he got on board.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 8:12PM (Unverified) said

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Seriously, scapegoating videogames is a distraction topic, since it's a fact that they're dumbing us down via water fluoridation, dumping pharma waste in our own water supplies, man-made viruses, Federal Reserve ripping off the American people since 1913, among other things.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 9:07PM (Unverified) said

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The solution to this is simple. Pass legislation that prohibits the sale of M rated games to people 17 and under. Prohibit the sale of T rated games to people 13 and under. If people under age want the game, their parents can buy it for them.

Give the ESRB legal teeth. That's all that needs to happen here. We don't need to regulate content, we don't need to ban certain types of content, just pass legislation that enforces the ESRB's rating system and penalizes retailers severely for violating that law. Problem solved.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 9:09PM (Unverified) said

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Also, the legislation would have to specifically back the ESRB ratings. The reason I've opposed legislation in the past is that it prohibits the sale of "violent video games" to children. That's too vague. It needs to be very specific about backing the ESRB's ratings. Then I would support it, and that would solve this issue.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 11:14PM sqlrob said

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Unconstitutional. Been tried with the movie ratings.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 9:56PM llllFlREBlRDllll said

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I somewhat agree with this post. Why not instead of regulating games with "explicit" content by taxing it more enforce the ratings of the ESRB? That is why they are there, to give the consumer an idea of how the game he wants to buy is like. It's just not right for someone under the age indicated in the rating to play a game with an M rating like say... Gears of War. No matter how much a kid loves violence thanks to some movies or stuff he has seen, he does not deserve to play a game directed towards mature folks until he is at least close or exactly in the age of the rating.

I have a nephew who's currently 11 years old and plays lots, and I mean LOTS of mature games, featuring dismemberments and shootan. Thankfully he's not that violent or nuts (he still is though, in small dozes), but once he gets to middle school this year where people start being more assholish, he might just unleash that pilled up rage in him, and that might bring him trouble.

On the other hand, I didn't play mature games until I was in my late 15s (thanks to the T rated goodness of GoldenEye), seeing how my parents are pretty enforsive (?) of the game's rating. It all started with RE2, and later on I started to move on to more violent/disturbing things that I could stand at a certain ammount until I finally reached 17. Still, even on my current age of 19 years, I prefer to play "kiddy" games like Kirby, Pokemon and Bust-a-Move because I have started to think hardcore games are pretty... vapid. Except CoD4, that game's my favorite FPS of all, next to 007 of course.

But unfortunately people are idiots, and we can't do anything about the government trying to tax our hobby. I just hope it never happens, or else, like JangoGod said, gaming piracy will increase because people won't be able to legitimatelly pay for a game it wants...
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 9:58PM llllFlREBlRDllll said

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This last Desert Eagle post was actually meant for introvert, seeing how Joystiq's comment system is real screwed up. Disregard this second post and move on.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 11:24PM Shadowbender said

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Anarchy!

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Posted: Jul 16th 2009 11:56PM Professor Lario said

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"The important thing is that we keep our eye on the activity of our government, because once a freedom is lost, it's far harder to regain. After all, the true check and balance in the US government isn't between the branches of government; it's between the people and the government."

Exactly. Wake up people - these freedoms are being questioned by OUR government more and more.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 1:28AM F1 Basu Gasu Bakuhatsu said

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How about we just end this whole debate by using the scientific method.

Take 60 kids of various races, religions, and backgrounds (all between the ages of 10 &12)

Break them up into equal groups groups of 20

Each group is pitted against each other in a game of Capture the Flag, Red Rover, or Flag Tag (all of which induce aggressive behavior)

One hour rest is given to each group in which they can mingle. Snacks and juice are provided.

Groups are then separated again

Group A plays an fps (the normal target)

Group B watches Power Rangers (a known violence inducing tv show)

Group C is ushered into a playground

This takes place for 1 to 2 hours

They are then fed and allowed a half hour rest

Then each group is pitted against each other in a game of Capture the Flag, Red Rover, or Flag Tag (all of which induce aggressive behavior)

While examining said games single out which groups show most aggression.

Compare and publish results. Debate ends.People move on.

MAKE IT HAPPEN SCIENCE!
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 1:31AM F1 Basu Gasu Bakuhatsu said

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Between line 4 & 5 I meant to also add Observation of which group shows most aggression.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 1:39AM (Unverified) said

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After I saw the report of a 62% tax rate in NYC, thus doesn't suprise me.

The Wii is probably the most likely to be hit badly by a tax. With a large percentage of casual gamers who are unlikely to buy games priced at 60, that would seriously cut into sales. The 360 and PS3, with higher percentages of core gamers, would weather a tax better.

They still better not do it.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 4:41AM (Unverified) said

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Is there something taught in american schools about how the US government is evil or something?

The US must be the country with the most hated and untrusted government of all time. Forget the governments in north korea or burma or china, the US government MIGHT try to tax ou video games!

If only the UN would step in and remove them then everyone in the US could continue with their lives without such fear of persecution.

Sheesh. I know it is important that the public takes an interest in politics and what the government does in it's name... but when did the US become so full of downtrodden masses that are being exploited by such an evil dictatorship?
And when did LGJ turn into a place for various nutty libertarian rants about the author's pet tin-foil-hat fears?
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 10:18AM (Unverified) said

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Did anyone notice the asian girl in the background giving the santa box and awkward hug? WTF?
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 4:43PM Cartman86 said

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I don't think anything is going to happen and if it did the Supreme Court would shoot it down, but my take on it is

In the end it doesn't matter if a game is racist. Every game in the world can be racist and it won't make a difference. The government should have no part in deciding to ban or limit the sale of media they deem offensive. It is protected by the first amendment after all. It's up to parents to decide for their children. End of story. This goes for Rape Games (hentai), the internet (the king of "vile" content), films, music, and the written word.
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Posted: Jul 17th 2009 5:21PM dogmaticatheist said

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@BlazeKing:

How about Obama's nearly 900 billion domestic spending (aka economic stimulus) bill that will do absolutely nothing to stimulate the economy, yet push us further down the hole?

How about the fact that we have the largest deficit ever in the history of our country with Obama's first budget?

Bush certainly did his part, but Obama will not save our economy.
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