Sony considered second analog nub for PSP Go

I have never seen a more on the money comment. Truely 80 percent of the comments that follow are as you described. And the haters voted you down.

+1 from me.

Well I can tell you that I used to be a huge Sony fanboy, I loved the PS1, PS2 and PSP, I especially grew up with the PS1 and PS2 regards to console gaming.

But I have been hurt by the PS3, I've gotten over most of their fuck-ups.

What still pisses me off greatly is the relatively high failure rate, especially of older models and Sony charging $150 for out of warranty when it is their problem.

If they finally fess up and fix errors like the Yellow Light of Death and Blu-Ray drive failure and refund those who paid like Microsoft did with the RROD, I am happy.

Sony fanboys, stop pretending that the PS3 doesn't have its share of technical problems, I was one of you but for now am back to PC gaming.

It may have its share of problems but those only affect about 1% of PS3s whereas the RROD was a widespread problem that was apparently 33% but probably much much higher. Microsoft would have either had a lawsuit on their hands if they hadn't offered refunds for repairs and now a 3 year warranty for specific problems.

and loljoystiq is just butthurt because joystiq is tobias

I think its quite higher than 1% but unfortunately, there isn't any official research having been done. But I can safely say that it affects a significant number of PS3s and Sony has to man up, swallow their pride and fix it for free, not charge their customers for their own manufacturing defects. The PS3 isn't nearly as rock-solid as I thought.

Whereas I have rarely heard issues with the Wii or any of Nintendo's consoles.

I'm just gonna speak from personal experience.... me and 4 of my friends each have a PS3 - 5 in total, none broken. I have an old 60gb too!

those same 4 friends each have an xbox- At last count, they have gone through 16. one friend alone has gone through 7! That's SEVEN xboxen! That's right I said xboxen!

you can't just hit people with it like that, try a more subtle approach

Yeah, my 360 died 12 months after I bought it from the E74 error, there were artifacts on the screen the previous day when watching a DVD movie. Microsoft fixed it for free, turnaround time was 7 days and I got an Xbox Live card. Happy with their service.

Sony needs to do the same for their older units outside warranty.

Call me paranoid Paul, but I'm betting its only a matter of time before your 60gb bites the dust, the same goes for all early Xbox 360 units.

given enough time they'll all bite the dust

A console dying after a year of normal use is unacceptable, much less a 60gb PS3's Blu-Ray drive crapping out after two weeks from playing GTA4 where ironically, my 360 lasted a year with that game before E74ing.

Wow, on the mark.
TONS of sony-hating comments, and it was just posted just a couple of hours ago.
I haven't even HEARD of the yellow ring of death. had to look it up.

definitely a good idea to not put the other one on yet though. Keep that for the next next generation of psp. That is, if sony is keeping a similar interface - it's not essential.

I love the PS2 (still play it even), first console is a PS1, only handheld is a PSP.

For the past couple years I have had a Xbox 360. I have never played a PS3, but I know plenty of people who do. Call me out for that, good job.

Reason I avoid the PS3, we have nearly 120 comments debating Sony's decision of adding a 2nd stick to the PSP. And its price, but meh. We don't need that many comments. Post a link to when that happened to a 360 page.

STFU about who is better. It doesn't matter. In the end what do you gain?

@ Nerdy Desi

I have owned many of the consoles that were out from the last 15 years.
Sony: PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3.
Nintendo: Gamecube and Wii.
I never bought an Xbox because I have a good PC that can run almost every game. Since half of the Xbox's exclusives are also on PC, then why should I make the investment? PC games are $10 cheaper, have better graphics, and I can play them for free online.

My problems that I have had with each console:
-Sony-
PS1: No problems at all.
PS2: Disc drive began reading slow. It lasted for 5 years until it happened.
PSP: No problems with it at all. I bought the PSP-1000 during the first year they were released in May.
PS3: No problems at all. I have a 60gb. Bought it June of '07.
-Nintendo-
Gamecube: No problems.
Wii: I bought a launch Wii and by about Feb. or March of '07 the disc drive went out and I had to send it to Nintendo.

I do not own a 360, but I can tell you right now that the 360 has much more problems than a PS3 does. It seems like everyday I go to school someone got the RROD. Some of them got it 2 or even 3 times.

cosmo, i use my 80GB MGS4 bundle PS3 everyday and it's still working like a dream. there are some firmware bugs i'd like to get ironed out, but otherwise, it's a dream machine. i just hope my 360 will be just as good for me when i get it.

@ Nerdy Desi

So what you are saying is that if my PS3 stops working Sony should fix it for free? That's not how markets work. The PS3 (and Xbox, and Wii, and Gamecube, and Iphone, and whatever device you want to put here) have a limited warranty. If the device dies after that warranty then I need to pay for the cost of repair out of my pocket or buy a new device. If your blender, a product designed (depending of quality) to work for a few years stops working after 4 years will you demand the company to fix it for free even though it has gone well over the warranty?

First of all let me say that it is incomprehensible to me how a post about a design choice for the PSP Go immediately derailed into a discussion about Sony paying for PS3's that stopped working. This sounds like Sony haters just typing here because it is a Sony thread.

Secondly, EVERY product can fail, no matter if it is from Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or even Dirt Devil if you want to think more generally. A new car can fail as soon as you take it off the lot. You can expect a minimal percentage of failure for any and all products out there. The problem comes when that failure rate is massive such as happened with the 360 and the red ring of death. There was a manufacturing issue in their entire line. Microsoft proceeded the way they did because it was widely known that their machines were failing and it certainly wasn't too good publicity for people to know that you would be paying $300 for a machine that could stop working any moment. They didn't offer Live cards and free repairs because they felt bad for you. They did it to save face on a situation that could have seriously affected their market.

If you are mad at Sony because your PS3 stopped working but you are over the warranty, that's too bad. Probably you picked up the one device from that particular shipment of 1000 units that was faulty. Maybe you are mad at Sony because your Xbox stopped working. But stop complaining. If you don't want to pay for a service that you may only remotely use. From now on don't buy any console and you won't need to care about such issues.

bluebaron1993??

Think how much the new hardware would be if they had to buy 2(!) nubs for each unit! Now that would be way too expensive!

The general public pays for the development of these shiny new hardware iterations. Don't think its fair then don't buy. Don't have the patience to wait for the price to come down then save your pennies, or I guess you could keep criticizing it in the vain hope it will change the laws of supply and demand.

@maxpower i have a psp-1000 and a ps3 320gig. now that i'm getting older and wiser i'm realizing what is worth the cost of an upgrade. so far, this is not. and you're right, we can control supply and demand. unfortunately there are enough fanboys such as yourself that will buy this cheap piece of machinery outright before looking at the long term pros/cons of owning this system. that just paves the way for even more outrageous pricing, and at the end of the day we all lose.

Who the hell said I was buying one, or had some fanboy crush on sony. I bought a 3000 model for some used games and change using the amazon trade-in deal. I didn't even consider pre-ordering the go after the specs came out, and instead got a photofast adapter and some cheap micro sdhc cards so I can have the storage capacity plus a umd drive for considerably less money.

The informed and objective minority don't buy into the hype and wait for prices/demand to fall or find an alternative. The high launch prices of hardware do however recoup development costs to the companies allowing them to continue produce new hardware at the rate we see today even in a recession. I like having choices and upgraded hardware so the suckers that buy these products at the high launch prices may lose, but I win. There will always be suckers and so there will be inflated launch prices; complaining about it won't change anything so just be patient or shell out the cash for some instant gratification.

Summary: I'm tired of the constant complaints of the high price of new hardware as if it is something new.

i see, if i say A you say B, correct? so i'll just nod my head and agree with you, otherwise you're just going to bore the crap out of me. and i apologize for the fanboy comment, but re-read what you write, you'll see why i could have possibly thought that.

Darkside.

You sure about that?

I don't know, online on PS1 was pretty rare. My point being some people would have an advantage during online games (with a second analog).

Which means the original PSP will never have a second analogue. I think it's a sure thing for the next handheld, if Sony ever make one.

Think about it Mr Blue, it makes perfect sense, even if they can put the second nub in, devs will just start making use of the second nub which immidiatly makes PSP 3000 redundant. This in turn will anger gamers who only just managed to get hold of the 3000 model, its stupid that it wasn't implemented in the first place, but seeing as PSPgo isnt PSP2, they cant add it in, same thing with built in cam or messenger service etc, simply because 3000 people will miss out on all these goodies when devs star making use of them.

Exactly Tobz1000.

Alienating the original audience who dont plan on buying the new Go is, for lack of a better term, dumb.

@Maverick. I would be unprecedented. Look at the DSi.

*would NOT. sorry.

*IT would NOT.....you know what. nm. just ignore the retard that can't spell or do grammar.

Yeah, but nintendo wants the DSi to overtake the DSlite, Sony doesnt want the PSPgo to overtake the PSP3000, Sony wants them to work in correlation with each other. PSP2 will be the next generation, IT can take over the PSP1 generation, cut short umds, and take portable gaming to the next level, for the time being, Sony is just trying to make it easier for the consumer, though the price of the PSPgo begs to differ :O

It's not even remotely close to the PS1 situation. With the PS1 they added sticks to a peripheral, not the main hardware. So anyone with any version of the PS1 could simply buy a new controller and be able to play any game. You can't just buy an add-on stick for older PSPs.

The DSi is a much closer example, but even then I don't think they really added anything that respresents as large a fundamental change as adding a second analog stick.

Of course the Sony wants the PSPGo to over take the PSP 3000, they just won't say it since that it's what they're intending because it would be counter-productive to what they have on the market now. It's just smart marketing. Nintendo said the same thing when the DS came out, in that they weren't looking to replace the GBA. Clearly it did in time. Sony's just doing the same thing here. There's a much better profit margin with the Go by cutting out the retailers, of course they want it to replace the 3000. They're just being cautious not to scare everyone.

I had the same thought about adding the sticks to the PS1 controller.

The thing is with this you still need to support the old hardware, so all games would have to be playable without the 2nd analog stick still. I believe there were PS1 games that required an analog controller, no?

That said, I think adding the 2nd stick to this and giving developers the option to support an ADDITIONAL control scheme in their games for people who have the Go would be a great idea. It certainly would sell more PSP Gos, so why does Sony care?

@Clay

Still, this would cause problems. Imagine playing online against a dual stick user...yeeah. Real fair, even though it is ADDITIONAL.

The issue isn't placement. It's an issue of introducing a controller that makes previous PSPs obsolete.

DUH.

PSP Go Fuck Yourself...


Amirite?

@Pureshooter NO.

I suspected as much.

The Playstation was also made in an era where 3d games were ridiculously primitive. Tell you what, try playing Gears 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Half-Life 2, or any modern 3d game without a second analog stick for controlling the cameras and let me know how that works.

"try playing Gears 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Half-Life 2"

You mistake me for someone that frolics in garbage.

Have you ever held one??????