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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:33PM (Unverified) said

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No love for the DildoShock? BURN!
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:36PM (Unverified) said

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Last thing people want is for your mom to see you playing with her dildo-err I mean DildoShock.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2009 4:28PM (Unverified) said

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I thought it was called Biocock.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 7:11PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah no love for the ps3 motion controller, because its not designed for just the casual market but for most type of games..

What does it say for Natal, if Ubisoft are looking at it solely from a casual market stand point ? What do you think you will get for the Natal come 2012 in terms of games ?
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 8:04PM (Unverified) said

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I'll be honest, serp, I don't even know what you mean. I'm totally excited for Sony's thing, I just thought DildoShock was kind of a punny joke. Did it hurt your feelings?
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:36PM (Unverified) said

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I wonder if they realize casual gamers usually won't drop 60 bucks on a game.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:47PM acefondu said

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They don't, that's why most causal games are like $20 to $30. Go through the Wii isle at Best Buy and you'll understand.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:11PM Odog4ever said

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So are you saying budget priced games ($30-40) have never come out on 360? Also with XBLA can't they serve up even cheaper games? Not saying they will but they could.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:37PM (Unverified) said

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So begins the flood of casual shovelware to Natal, and the damn thing's not even out yet. Thank you motion control gaming >:(
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:40PM (Unverified) said

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Why do you care? You hate everything anyway. Do you really want a console that only has Fallout 3 and FF VII? What would you bitch about?
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:42PM (Unverified) said

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I like plenty of games, but I don't want to go to a store and see the 360 section turn into the Wii section. You ever been to the game section in wal mart/target/best buy etc? Finding a good game in the Wii section turns into an adventure.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:44PM (Unverified) said

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If I were you I would redirect that hate towards the developers that are too damn lazy to actually do some damn work on a game.

Then again, if I were you, I hate everything.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:46PM (Unverified) said

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I bet you can't name 10 current gen games that you really like.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:50PM Mr Khan said

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you wouldn't strike me as a window-shopper, just wandering in and picking something off the shelf, for one, and two, what happened to Mr. Negativity? I liked Mr. Negativity :(
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:57PM (Unverified) said

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No I always know what I want when I go in, but I do look for funsies sometimes
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:01PM (Unverified) said

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If you asked me what my 10 favorite games this gen were then I'd have trouble cause I never thought about it, but I've "enjoyed" way more than 10 games this gen.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:06PM (Unverified) said

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I'm not trying to impugn your honor but I have a hard time believing that. Unless your crusty-old-man attitude is just a facade...
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:24PM (Unverified) said

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There's a lot of great games that come out every year, but there's a lot more mediocre and bad releases which is what we hear about on here most of the time. Like this summer has been full of mediocre rental releases like Red Faction and Prototype (both which I enjoyed, but only because I rented them). My money is usually only good enough for the best of the best every year, like I'm buying Uncharted 2, Brutal Legend, Assassin's Creed 2, MW2, Ratchet, Borderlands (maybe), and Batman for the rest of the year.

I'll also have to go shopping for cheap wii games after christmas.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:35PM Manifest37 said

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It seems WRE is the true troll here.
You're like that guy off Family Guy: "So what, wanna fight about it!"
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:37PM (Unverified) said

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Big whoop, Mana37, wanna fight about it?
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:06PM Manifest37 said

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+1
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 7:00PM Stix Remix said

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The "Wii section" in any store is not as bad as you think. Any real "gamer" who has done his homework could easily pick out at least 5 solid Wii titles from any store.

And besides, if you can sniff out a lemon, why complain about it? Just don't buy the lemons and be on your merry way (or order online and get it tax free). Save your store travel for another reason.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:38PM Duke said

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I wonder how bad these devs are going to be hit as they put more and more into the casual game side, which will eventually break down. I wouldn't trust the passive game purchasers to always be there in the future.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:41PM (Unverified) said

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I think the best thing for company to do is develop for both the Passive player and the Excessive player, so we at least have games for all. At least commit time for both, not just one crowd.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:55PM Mr Khan said

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Always the assumption that a breakdown is coming, though. An overinvestment in any particular demographic is bad, but i've yet to see anything to suggest that the number of "bad" casual games (the real shovelware, not the better put together stuff) exceeds the totals of bad games (across all platforms), that we would have seen in the past.

Plus, you have to keep investing in these gamers if you want to keep them occupied. Certainly its bad to oversupply them, but they need to be catered to if you want to keep them around, or the crash really will happen...
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:12PM Duke said

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Oh yeah, you got me, I am always assuming a breakdown is coming...based on me saying it soooo many times now. (Which I haven't done.)

Relax Khan, all I was saying is that you cannot base your company financial future on a segment of the market that is not very predictable. I wasn't slamming the Wii or anything. Causal gamers who don't each buy a lot of different titles for their libraries are not something to bank on for the long term.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:13PM Duke said

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Oh, I forgot to ask - do you really think the casual market will always stay strong? Were you around during the last video game market crash?
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:17PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think that the video game industry can crash anymore. It's just too different from before. Gaming before didn't make more money than movies. Gaming now does.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:22PM Duke said

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Oh, no, I am not dooming it and saying it will all crash. I am saying that you cannot bank on one segment of the userbase too much otherwise you are asking for trouble. If the next thing comes along that distracts the casual user, and that part of the market falls sharply, then you need to have the more dedicated purchasers to survive (who don't buy crappy little minigames about ponies and such).
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:32PM (Unverified) said

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Are you dissing "Poniez"? Are you?! Huh?!
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:51PM Duke said

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Yeah, I overstepped the line on that one. Who doesn't love a pony!
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:02PM (Unverified) said

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"I am saying that you cannot bank on one segment of the userbase too much otherwise you are asking for trouble."

Right. Just take a look at the Xbox brand. They are done with after this generation unless they come up with a pl-- oh wait, they (and Ubisoft apparently according to this article) have the perfect plan to balance them out!


Right?


Right?!?!?!?


Natal = Pending Epic Fail
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:18PM Mr Khan said

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Sorry if it sounded like i was targeting you. It's a call against many who have used that argument. Equally true with the now-trite comparison to the original Atari crash, which was due to shovelware on a whole different level than what we today like to call shovelware.

Can you play shovelware on any of the modern systems? As in, put the disc/cartridge in, initialize the software, and have it run like its supposed to? If yes, then this scenario is different from the '83 crash
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 11:24PM samfish said

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"If the next thing comes along that distracts the casual user, and that part of the market falls sharply, then you need to have the more dedicated purchasers to survive (who don't buy crappy little minigames about ponies and such)."

But there is no evidence or reason to believe that this will happen any more than something shiny and new will come along and distract us ners and gaming geeks away from our games.
People have been saying this about the casual audience since the DS and Nintendogs, really. It's been a good 4 or 5 years now and it still hasn't happened.
Provided that companies like Nintendo, MS and Ubisoft continue to offer (or START to offer, in Ubi's case..) those folks compelling software, the so-called casual audience will keep coming back for the same reasons we keep coming back.

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Posted: Jul 29th 2009 9:52AM Duke said

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Fair enough Khan.

Yet, Cody, you really need to stop stretching to find a critique of MS. We get it, the Wii is perfection to you somehow and the other console makers are flawed. Yes, yes, yes, its all going to be ok.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:39PM (Unverified) said

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If we are going to treat Natal and the DildoShock as the Wii as many developers do, then the only thing will get is cheap shovelware from lazy developers and barely any good games.

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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:43PM (Unverified) said

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I might be okay with that in all seriousness. If I got 3-4 really standout games a year for 4 different consoles I could probably keep up. The movie industry is the same way. Hell, I'd be hard-pressed to find 12 really great books per year.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:45PM (Unverified) said

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True, but honestly, are we ever going to see that happened?
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:46PM (Unverified) said

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I don't understand the question, Archi.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:50PM (Unverified) said

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Sorry, poor questioning.

I can see developers actually trying to develop good games, but if the way developers treat the Wii as just a casual console, developing quick cash-ins, continues, I see no difference in the MS's Natal and Sony's Thingamagig market. We'll probably see the same thing happen.

I just hope we don't.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:56PM (Unverified) said

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Well that's what I'm saying. I think we get 3-4 really good Wii games per year. This year we've gotten Little King's Story and I think Wii Sports Resort ranks up there as well. So that's 2 and we still have MP Trilogy coming out in September and NSMB Wii in November. So I'm good to go on the Wii. But I'm still playing Fallout 3, Fable 2, Valkyria Chronicles, and LBP from last year. I traded in Far Cry 2 and never beat it which I'm regretting but I don't have the time to actually play it, so what do you do? So that's why I want one great game every 3 months for each of my 4 systems.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:57PM Typicalgamer said

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then don't buy the camera. simple.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 4:39PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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You gunna take that Sony? Ubisoft just verbally bitchslapped you :D

ITS BEEF!!
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:29PM (Unverified) said

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Expect the next few Sony movies to have hidden anti-Ubisoft messages :p
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:22PM Shadowbender said

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Hahahaha. Subliminal messages. +1.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:01PM (Unverified) said

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Sony did say they only have a limited number of hardware prototypes to distribute to developers, and that only a select group, appropriate for the tech will receive them and make games for it. EA's got the tech. Though, I can't see Sony leaving out Ubisoft. They're pretty big on the casual DS side of the spectrum.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 5:39PM moshin said

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in this lovely land of biasedness (both ways) UBI has always been in bed with MS, since the big green box and splinter cell uno..


that being said, doesn't surprise me at all that the psmc was left out
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:13PM (Unverified) said

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I have no reason to walk down the wii aisle.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 6:20PM Shadowbender said

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Sony said at the E3 press conference that they will use their motion controls for hardcore gamers. They said they wouldn't abandon us gamers. Now, I worry that Microsoft is leaning toward the casual (Dope-di-dope-di-dope) market. Natal was stunning, the mechanics were innovative, but look at the mini-games they showed. So cheap and casual...disgusting. I doubt Microsoft will abandon us, but just something to keep an eye out for.

Heck, we should make a petition. When we see the first casual game for Natal, we all need to write to Microsoft and tell them this is unacceptable for us gamers. We all sign the letter, ALL of us. We also need to tell them that we may boycott if this casual direction gets out of hand.
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Posted: Jul 28th 2009 9:34PM (Unverified) said

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¡Viva La Revolución!
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