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Posted: Aug 9th 2009 9:32PM (Unverified) said

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Well it just depends then on whether Bioware received grant money or not. The post doesn't really suggest it though.
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Posted: Aug 9th 2009 10:24PM Huey2k2 said

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The government here regularly gives money and tax breaks to game developers to help foster the industry.

This is why Ubisoft is opening a new studio in Toronto, they are getting a huge tax break from it.
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Posted: Aug 10th 2009 12:17AM (Unverified) said

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Ah, but Alberta has been ruled by a right wing party for 74 consecutive years (36 Socred, 38 PC) so the right wing should like that.
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Posted: Aug 9th 2009 10:30PM (Unverified) said

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@freaparn

Oh great, another person bitching about arts funding in Canada who HAS NO CLUE HOW IT WORKS.

1. Not any well-written grant gets $$. There is a complex system of development grants, emerging artists grants, established artist grants, etc, etc. For the most part, you need professional credits and they do not give out $$ for hobbyists.

2. It isn't some office jockey stamping applications for approval. It is a process of ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS sitting on juries that evaluate all applications. And if you think it's all about artistic merit, think again: realistic budgeting is a huge part of the evaluation process and you will find that most professional artists are better accountants than right-wing politicians would make it seem.

3. Accountability for Canada Council grants is a lot bigger than you think. Financial reporting is a much more detailed process than many branches of the Government. If the Jury is not satisfied with your final reports you would not be likely to receive money again in the future.

Reading about something before bitching about it is hard isn't it?

Oh, and:

4. I am a Canadian theatre artist and I know what I am talking about.

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 1:11AM (Unverified) said

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@marshmatter

You're right. The system is not open to "amateur" artists. The system is designed to keep the same people who got into the system in the 80s working in the arts for the rest of their lives, as if working in the arts was the same as working at the post office.

Most of these "professional" artists spend more time filling out grant applications than they do making art. The system rewards all stages of making a play, movie, or book, except for the part where it is actually released to the public - that part is unimportant. A movie, for example, might make no money at the box office, but it doesn't matter because everybody involved with the production has been paid to make the movie by the government and they don't have to pay the money back.

It's a broken system that wastes taxpayer's money to the tune of billions of dollars per year. It's designed to employ mediocre artists who can't hack it in the private system.

That said, the game development programs in Canada are not in the same vein at all. They are mainly tax-breaks that encourage private developers to set up shop in the country.

The other arts programs in Canada should be looking at the success we're having with the games industry - it's a true public/private partnership that is creating high-quality art.
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Posted: Aug 9th 2009 10:51PM mrmobius said

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N+ is an ooot-standing game for an indie game.

*sees what he did there*

*awaits down vote for lame comedy*

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 11:27AM Roto13 said

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loul
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Posted: Aug 9th 2009 11:06PM (Unverified) said

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Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Canada!

Posted: Aug 9th 2009 11:14PM spin cycle said

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Ubisoft got CA$263.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/07/ubisoft-announces-new-toronto-studio.ars

I remember reading an article about Bioware securing funding from the government too, but I can't find it now, so I maybe I just imagined it.

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 12:53AM FakeJamaican said

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Yeah, in Canada they give us grants like it's spare change. I bet they give grants for making porn, as long as it has the sponsored logo at the end/credits, it's allll goood.

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 2:48AM (Unverified) said

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For all the flaws in the system (was there ever a perfect system, either public or private?), I'd still rather have a government that is trying at least trying to support the arts than one the doesn't. Many kids in US public schools won't even get exposure to the arts becuase they are not valued in the culture and are the first to get cut when budgets are tight.

Given that maybe 10 percent of all art created (with either public or private money) is actually worth a damn, saying Canada's system is broken becuase it produces some bad art is ridiculous. If there was some foolproof way to filter the hits from the duds, don't you think Hollywood would have figured it out by now?

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 11:54AM (Unverified) said

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I agree that arts education is important. I also think that start-up money and tax-breaks for new game developers are great programs. HOWEVER, these other programs that fund plays, movies, and books are a total waste of money. They pay for artists to create new work - regardless of if the work is even released to the public.

I'm sorry, but a system that spends billions of dollars a year to make nothing is a waste of money.

How many plays/movies/books made in this system are never even released to the public? The answer is THOUSANDS every year. Then these artists get another grant the next year to make another "masterpiece" that the public will never see.

In other words, the government is funding projects that will later be turned down by a private company - a book publisher, a movie distributor, a live theatre company, etc.

The only point of these programs is to employ people who would otherwise be on welfare. There are artists who have entire careers in Canada milking this system!
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Posted: Aug 10th 2009 10:10AM fco said

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Thanks Canada!

BTW, Hothead will finally be showing some Deathspank gameplay at PAX:
http://grumpygamer.com/6007254

Cant wait!

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 10:24AM Cadychan said

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Canada's great (I live in British Columbia), and I'd have to say that's one of the only good things the government has done for us. X3 Sorry, but Stephen Harper is kind of a tool.
Still a great country to live in, though! ^_^

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 11:20AM Barkley610 said

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what the fuck happened to socom confrontation???? that was a canadian developed game and it still fuckin stinks after 10 months on the market, possibly with the highest return rate of ANY game ever made. It probably should have ended up in the desert next to ataris ET!!!

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 11:26AM Roto13 said

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Who the fuck do you think you are?

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 11:41AM (Unverified) said

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How much money did Silicon Knights get for Too Human....
We (the rest of canada who doesn't think Denis Dyack is a visionary) want it back.

Posted: Aug 10th 2009 12:26PM Gamer X said

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Do those game studios up there hire Americans.. or are Canadians strict about hiring Canadians. I am in school for Programming and Game Development. I would love to work in Toronto or Montreal. They just look rich with culture and diversity. Plus there are some fantastic IP's coming out of the studios up there. I wouldn't mind learning from the creative minds and hard working folks up there. Cheers!!

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