Not in the box(ers): Fight Night 4 DLC, updates announced

i thought using the analog stick made it a much better game. Anyone can just mash buttons. I think using the analog takes a lot more skill

But that's just my opinion

Anyone can mash buttons just as anyone can spam the analog stick.. it really doesn't take any more skill to wiggle the stick than to mash the buttons.
Regardless of how you input the commands there will always be people who just mash/spam controls while playing fighting games.. they are the equivalent to the people that flail their fists around wildly in real life confrontations.

The game should be inciting people's skill at strategy, timing, and reactionary impulse control more than silly thumb motions anyways if it wishes to closer represent the sport. I certainly can't remember having trouble moving my arms in the motions of uppercut, hook, and jab in real life.. why would emulating this difficulty in a game do justice to boxing?

I'm with Chester. They should NOT have caved to the complaining masses.

The spamming needs to be fixed by means of a patch. Online play is totally borked.

I like analog controls better, too.

@ Bastard11

We will just have to agree to disagree on that one. I have to say throwing multiple combos is 100x easier using the buttons over the analog stick. You dont even have to know what your doing. For example my wife kicks ass with the buttons in FNR3. But if she has to use the analog she gets lost. Using the analog does take more skill.

Well i never claimed it didn't take more skill.. it would also take more skill if you had to thread a needle every time you wanted to throw a jab and solve an algebra equation for a hook. If you think endless barrages of fast combos is the problem the solution isn't giving you a slower responding control system but rather using better game design to program a better system into the game.

I won't argue to take away your preferred control scheme if you enjoy it.. but I do see a flaw with the game design by attempting to force people into these arbitrary control requirements as I outlined in my previous post.. and I take offense to the assertion that everyone who prefers buttons is some skill-less button masher. I know that no one is saying it outright but that is the general message that gets sent every time this debate comes up.

If you suddenly added dual analog control to street fighter it certainly wouldn't make all the current world champs "button mashers."

@Bastard11

I'll agree with you on all of that. I guess what were both saying is there needs to be a way to stop the button mashers/analog spammers. Although i have no idea how that could even be done

well just off the top of my head I can think of a few ideas. Shorten the window for button presses in relation to the animation frames.. this causes the player to be more focused on timing. Add a slight delay to the recoil of a missed punch.. this penalty encourages picking your shots.. also work on a replenishable stamina system separate and more sever than the overall stamina system that is already in effect, this one just for throwing combos.. the more you throw in a short period of time the slower and weaker they get.. and eve more so for misses.

I'm sure if I had some time I could refine those ideas into workable math that could be put into the game system.. as I'm sure I could think of a few more ideas as well.

I agree with chester as well... i won't go as far to say that it takes more skill, but I will say that to me...

Using the analog sticks, when used properly, makes it feel ALOT more like real boxing. I also think it is easier to mash the buttons than spam the sticks.

The same reason Micheal Jordan was barely ever in NBA games...he wanted too much money than the creators can offer them.

cause developer refuse to make him unbeatable! hes never lost bafore and if a game is gonna accurate they have to make him "perfect"

he doesn't want his likeness in a video game?

who knows

I agree 100%. 10 dollars for 3 new boxers is absolutely ridiculous. I dont care about 2 alternate versions of existing fighters.

I will not be purchasing this DLC whatsoever.

Its overpriced like most DLC. Looks like 800MS is a standard price for DLC, no matter if it's just a piece of dog shit or a whole new game mode.

Hell, there are a bunch of arcade games priced at 800 MSP that offer 50000 times more value that most crappy DLC at the same price.

You forgot Clubber Lang...

I haven't seen a decent Clubber Lang yet. Does anyone know of one?

Dude, it's called a challenge. Now, I could understand what EA was trying to do with FN4 and trying to get everyone to get with something that is now, a bit old, yet not as old as using face buttons to punch in a boxing videogame. They wanted to give this game more of a next gen feel, although, like I said, TPC is now old hat. I've been using TPC since it was first intro'd in, uhh, Knockout Kings 2003 (it's foggy), and never looked back.

That being said, EA took a HUGE gamble by not including the option of face buttons, this go round and it doesn't look like it paid off as much as they'd like so, hence, the buttons will be patched in as well as a NEW demo to try to get those who didn't rise to the challenge of TPC on board to possibly go and make the retail purchase.

Eh, whatever. I'm good, and I will buy the DLC. I just hope the patch doesn't mess with the game.

This is EA shenanigans. Believe that De La Hoya was supposed to be in the game originally- he's in the original commercial if you remember- we'll see how big the download file is when it drops. I wouldn't be surprised to find out its just an unlock key and its been in the code all along....

Well, he's definitely gotten more popular since then hence, his price has probably gone up, however, he WAS retired during the making of this game so we may be seeing more DLC that actually includes him in the future. Probably around the time he fights again, since his "comeback fight" was postpone...but I think the fight is next month. Hmm, maybe later he will appear. Eh, who knows...