All I want to know is if they are lowering the price on their hard drives, because I don't want to buy a new console just to get the larger hard drive.
That's what I'm hoping for Rob. I'm thinking of buying an elite for 300, and then selling the actual console with a 20gb HD for 250. Then keep the 120gb HD for myself, he he.
@Spartacus: given that the PS3 offers quite a lot more featurees than the competitors the playing field won't be quite as leveed as you might think, expecially since a big percentage of the ones that wanted a 360 already got it because of the previous price cuts. while there's a lot of people that are holding back to buy a PS3 until this price cut. The 199 model doesn't really count for much, because to actually enjoy a 360 one has to spend quite a lot more (HD, Battery pack for controllers and gold subscription at the very least).
IF sony really cuts the price to 299 dollars/euro (which I will believe when I see it in an official press release), they'll find themselves offering quite a lot more value for the same price, with a large amount of people that were waiting for nothing else to buy their console. Microsoft will find themselves quite hard pressed to respond to such a move. Price cuts help only up to a limit. And I'd say the 360 already reached that limit. Now it's the PS3's turn to benefit from that, and it has the potential to turn the market around.
While not exactly benefitting gamers and early adopters (no one will screw up early adopters more than microsoft this generation, anyway), Sony's tactic of holding back a price cut until now and then delivering it in style alongside other features (i can think of a few, but after all Sony's conference at GamesCom is three hours. You don't have a 3 hours conference if you don't have a lot of stuff to talk about) and a very strong line-up of holiday first party titles, might be quite sound from a marketing point of view. They cut their losses while the production costs were high, and waited until they actually lowered considerably before lowering the price, counting on all the people that were initially holding back due to the high price point to overtake the competition during the second half of the generation. Probable? Possible? we'll have to see
@Ordeith: Don't they? Looking at their holiday and post holiday lineup for this year it definitely seem that they know that very well. This is the first year in which sony has a considerably stronger software lineup than the competition, and pushing with price cuts, a new model, and more on such a year is, at least from my point of view, a very sound strategy.
slim slim slim is BS BS BS until available and might be expensive... think clearly now- pspGO will = $ 249, psp3000 does = $ 169 and the GO even cost less to manufacture.
and the 360 will always cost less to manufacture than a ps3 (fat, slim, gimped, etc) and MS will always be able to lower the price of the 360 to be lower than the ps3 at all times, thus making the ps3 always less desirable from day 1 from the mass gaming market as a whole.
the ps3 is a great console but will never win or take 2nd place this gen IMO.
Price isn't the ONLY factor in the desirability of a console. The 360 has already juiced almost all it could out of price cuts. The PS3 didn't. Can only lower the price so much before the effectiveness of such a manouver is dampened. It's basic marketing.
Ordeith: i'm afraid not, good sir. The PS3 might not have netflix but it has it's own TV service, and it has Bluray, while the 360's attempt to HD disc video sunk. the PSN is pretty darn near to Live now, in functionality, and it's free (aren't we talking about prices). Home is far superior, for the moment, to the 360's avatar service. Twitter and facebook? Aren't we getting on a pretty laughable level here? The PS3 has a full blown web browser, lol. You have twitter, facebook and any other web-based services by default on a PS3. I thought you would have known.
Even more than that, the PS3 is the only region free next generation console.
Multi platform titles notoriously worse? Most of them are on the same level, some are better on the PS3, some better on 360, and the PS3 has still some very desirable third party exclusives.
The first party lineup for the PS3 this holiday (GT5, Uncharted 2, GOW 3...) simply blows the 360 out of the water.
The PS3 has dropped in sales because everyone is waiting for a price cut. Only a moron would buy a console when there are strong rumors of a sizeable price cut incoming.
Oh, did i forget built in wi-fi (while on the 360 you need to get a quite overpriced dongle) and bluetooth? Connectivity with a portable console? Compatibility with any (cheap) laptop HD? rechargeable controllers (batteries.. lulz) by default? Much better sound quality? The ability to turn in a full blown personal computer with Linux? HDMI 1.3 instead of the 360's 1.2?
Don't get me wrong. I like my 360 as the next guy (and I'm one of the few that still has his pro from day 2 after launch and it never flinched on me besides some disc read errors). But Even just considering the price of a stand alone blu ray player, the PS3 offers quite a lot more value for the price as it stands now, even more considering the rest of the features it has. With a sizeable price cut there will simply be no comparison.
If by owned you mean three posts with a bunch of factually incorrect "information" in response to facts that his fanboyism can't admit too, then yes. I was owned.
Actually, by owned I really mean that you got told, dumbass.
Keep living in your world where "Sony doesn't have that software".
Uncharted 1 & 2 Resistance 1 & 2 Killzone 2 Ratchet & Clank Future ToD, QfB, CiT Metal Gear Solid 4 Socom MAG inFamous Motorstorm 1 & 2 Gran Turismo Little Big Planet The Last Guardian Heavy Rain Gow III Final Fantasy XIV Heavenly Sword Wipeout HD PixelJunk Eden PixelJunk Monsters Flower
There's nothing like Sony's line-up and the console's value is undeniable, just like Abriael said. Seriously, you make me laugh.
Reader Comments (16)
Posted: Aug 14th 2009 5:06PM B3astofthe3ast said
Posted: Aug 14th 2009 5:11PM SpartacusMagnus said
Posted: Aug 14th 2009 5:14PM RobS the 3rd said
Posted: Aug 14th 2009 5:24PM Special Agent Steve said
Posted: Aug 14th 2009 6:37PM Abriael said
The 199 model doesn't really count for much, because to actually enjoy a 360 one has to spend quite a lot more (HD, Battery pack for controllers and gold subscription at the very least).
IF sony really cuts the price to 299 dollars/euro (which I will believe when I see it in an official press release), they'll find themselves offering quite a lot more value for the same price, with a large amount of people that were waiting for nothing else to buy their console.
Microsoft will find themselves quite hard pressed to respond to such a move. Price cuts help only up to a limit. And I'd say the 360 already reached that limit. Now it's the PS3's turn to benefit from that, and it has the potential to turn the market around.
While not exactly benefitting gamers and early adopters (no one will screw up early adopters more than microsoft this generation, anyway), Sony's tactic of holding back a price cut until now and then delivering it in style alongside other features (i can think of a few, but after all Sony's conference at GamesCom is three hours. You don't have a 3 hours conference if you don't have a lot of stuff to talk about) and a very strong line-up of holiday first party titles, might be quite sound from a marketing point of view. They cut their losses while the production costs were high, and waited until they actually lowered considerably before lowering the price, counting on all the people that were initially holding back due to the high price point to overtake the competition during the second half of the generation.
Probable? Possible? we'll have to see
Posted: Aug 14th 2009 7:47PM Ordeith said
Sony will learn that a large part of the 360 value perception is in its software. Sony doesn't have that software so it doesn't have that value.
Posted: Aug 14th 2009 11:58PM Abriael said
Posted: Aug 15th 2009 12:06AM (Unverified) said
think clearly now- pspGO will = $ 249, psp3000 does = $ 169 and the GO even cost less to manufacture.
and the 360 will always cost less to manufacture than a ps3 (fat, slim, gimped, etc) and MS will always be able to lower the price of the 360 to be lower than the ps3 at all times, thus making the ps3 always less desirable from day 1 from the mass gaming market as a whole.
the ps3 is a great console but will never win or take 2nd place this gen IMO.
Posted: Aug 15th 2009 2:13AM Ordeith said
no, they don't. They still don't match the features and usability of Xbox Live.
They don't have Netflix.
They aren't getting Twitter, Facebook, and Last.fm integration.
The multi-platform party titles are notoriously worse on the PS3.
360 First party games outsell PS3 first party games by a wide margin.
The PS3 has dropped to an unheard of 77k a week sales worldwide.
Sony just doesn't have a product that people want.
Posted: Aug 15th 2009 2:19AM Abriael said
It's basic marketing.
Posted: Aug 15th 2009 2:49AM Abriael said
the PSN is pretty darn near to Live now, in functionality, and it's free (aren't we talking about prices). Home is far superior, for the moment, to the 360's avatar service.
Twitter and facebook? Aren't we getting on a pretty laughable level here? The PS3 has a full blown web browser, lol. You have twitter, facebook and any other web-based services by default on a PS3. I thought you would have known.
Even more than that, the PS3 is the only region free next generation console.
Multi platform titles notoriously worse? Most of them are on the same level, some are better on the PS3, some better on 360, and the PS3 has still some very desirable third party exclusives.
The first party lineup for the PS3 this holiday (GT5, Uncharted 2, GOW 3...) simply blows the 360 out of the water.
The PS3 has dropped in sales because everyone is waiting for a price cut. Only a moron would buy a console when there are strong rumors of a sizeable price cut incoming.
Posted: Aug 15th 2009 3:12AM Abriael said
Don't get me wrong. I like my 360 as the next guy (and I'm one of the few that still has his pro from day 2 after launch and it never flinched on me besides some disc read errors). But Even just considering the price of a stand alone blu ray player, the PS3 offers quite a lot more value for the price as it stands now, even more considering the rest of the features it has. With a sizeable price cut there will simply be no comparison.
Posted: Aug 16th 2009 10:37AM Ashitaka said
Ordeith was completely owned by Abriael.
Posted: Aug 16th 2009 2:09PM Ordeith said
Posted: Aug 16th 2009 3:38PM Ashitaka said
Keep living in your world where "Sony doesn't have that software".
Uncharted 1 & 2
Resistance 1 & 2
Killzone 2
Ratchet & Clank Future ToD, QfB, CiT
Metal Gear Solid 4
Socom
MAG
inFamous
Motorstorm 1 & 2
Gran Turismo
Little Big Planet
The Last Guardian
Heavy Rain
Gow III
Final Fantasy XIV
Heavenly Sword
Wipeout HD
PixelJunk Eden
PixelJunk Monsters
Flower
There's nothing like Sony's line-up and the console's value is undeniable, just like Abriael said. Seriously, you make me laugh.
Posted: Aug 16th 2009 8:30PM Ordeith said
I am sure the PS3 sure looks good with your head in the sand like that!