Rumor: Walmart catalog lists $100 price cut for Xbox 360 Elite

this is sorta a moot argument but i see sales for 13 months of live for $30 no tax free shipping pretty often.

the monthly fee does pay for more content in a way as well, like free games 1vs100, early game demos(Lost planet 2 co-op demo came out this week only on 360), useless ign insider streams, interviews, game night events, contest giveaways. online integration on the dashboard is excellent on the 360, ps3 tucks it under the psn and the little news tracker.

Because it's $50. That's 5/6 of an entire game. It will always be brought up as a point because it's not an insignificant number.

its dumb to compare the price of a 500GB OEM hard drive when the xbox 360 hdd accessory, is a retail product, and comes with a transfer cable, and software.

if you want to be fair the accessory should be compared to a retail external hard drives with a 2.5in hdd inside.

oops!! 2nd spot

LOL "I ZAIZ THE THREEZICZTII IZ BETTAH! I RIGHTZ IF YOU ARGUEZ YOU LOOK STUPIDZ!"

Sorry, but your arguments don't hold a drop of water.

-The fee for Live is peanuts? Really? Then the the PS3 has never been overpriced, after all the difference between then and now is just two peanuts. Oops..
Live may have better features overally, but those features are marginal compared to the actual playing online, things that the PSN does just fine, for free. Those features are nice, but 50 dollars a years nice? not even.

-Many people need wifi. Why? because they either don't have direct access to the router (just think about all the ones that have centralized wifi in their apartment complex) or simply have their consoles in their living room. Not many people keep their router in the living room.

-AA batteries don't do just fine. You're kidding yourself if you think it's really viable to just buy new batteries every time, unless you puke money, of course.

-Netflix is good but the PS3 is getting it's own video service. Nothing to see here.

-Sports games only on the 360? Amazon doesn't agree. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_pg_1?ie=UTF8&pg=1
Madden PS3: ranked 14th. Madden 360: ranked 17th. Oops.

-Better games on the 360? Metal Gear solid 4, Uncharted, Killzone 2, infamous and a lot of other PS3 exclusive disagree. They're pretty much equivalent so far, and the next 6 months are strongly in favor of the PS3.

Sorry mate, but you won't see the "facts" before a few months, and everything now hints to a very solid possibility that Sony is slowly gaining the upper hand. Microsoft will have to do much more than cutting the price on their top of the line (but still radically underfeatured compared to the PS3) model to change that. And in one month it'll be Tokyo Game Show. Who do you think will win there?

the reason they didnt put wifi in the console is so that it means more stable online play the difference is noticable. people make the argument that wifi is as stable as a cable.

if its setup perfectly yes, but there are going to be people who get on with a terrible signal, leeching off a neighbors connection, wifi also has hiccups, suffers from interference and especially for upstream. Any disruption in service can mean a game ending abruptly.

also if someone is making the argument that in some instance wifi is necessary thats bunk because you can always invest in a very long Ethernet cable. the only reason wifi would be necessary is if you're planning to leech off someone elses wifi.

deepfriedsushi.. So adding wifi to a console will suddenly make it unstable ?

Having wifi as an option will make the connection unstable ? Really ?
You live in a big house and your internet connection is on the ground floor and your ps3 on the third floor, using your stupid logic in that scenario I should run a network adaptor all the way up the stairs through the different floors, when I could just get a wifi repeater and use the wifi connection directly.. Yes yes talk about bullshit..

Wifi is only unstable if you move outside of the wifi signal range, your console is sat at a static location same as your wifi enabled router (wifi gateway whatever your using) if you have a big house you can get a repeater. Since everything is stable there is no difference between a wifi connection as opposed to a cabled connection...

Oh yes one other thing the PS3 has a gigabit copper connection, so I guess it makes it 10x better because its capable of 10x the speed of the 360, using your stupid logic.

The worst logic of it all is that wifi is only used by people that leach off of other people, where did you come up with that one then ? wow just wow honestly I think your the new dumb ass of the year.

Having a wired connection has never and will never be an option for my family. We have a bit of an older house (built in the 90's) with a large addition, multiple computers, consoles, devices etc to use the internet between everyone. I always hear people saying Wi-Fi isn't stable but I just don't see it as reality. I've used Wi-Fi pretty much exclusively for over 5 years now and I always have a super good connection without any issues.

I can't believe some people are so brainwashed they have convinced themselves that having Wi-Fi built into the box is a bad thing. How is it a bad thing to have the option to use both? It's not like you can't use a wired connection with the PS3 if you so desire. Saying MS left Wi-Fi out to improve the stability of the wired connection shows a a lack of intelligence and even a basic understanding of how electronics operate.

People are also missing that a $300 Elite does nothing because it doesn't lower the cost of entry. A $300 PS3 actually lowers the cost of entry by 25%. If anything, it's true that the Arcade has canabalized sales of the more profitable SKUs for MS and in a way they have painted themselves into a corner. The only price drop that makes a difference in this circumstance is lowering the entry price of the Arcade by $50 or $100. Otherwise, it's of little consequence and there isn't any comparison between a $300 PS3 & a $300 360. It's dumb to argue otherwise. Maybe if that $300 360 came with a year of Live & Netflix, 2 games and built in Wi-Fi they would be comparable.

How about both sides shut the fuck up and behave as if they had a brain? That would be really nice.

It's not a fundamental shift of the wind, it's just that there has been a run of great Sony news lately, rallying the Sony fans to the site to read more actively, and vote accordingly.

This happens all the time, whenever there's an event which is either exclusive to one of the big three (like Sony gamers' day, or Nintendo's October Media Summit), or heavily favors one of them (like Sony and Gamescom this time, Microsoft and E308, or Nintendo and E306, but the latter predates the voting system)

:)

I think this is all that needs to be said:

http://www.joystiq.com/profile/2173121/

Poor Ordeith, did my arguments make you feel so hurt that you feel the need to continue with your personal attacks? I know finding solid arguments of your own must be hard :D

What's there to see in my profile? The fact that I'm pretty enthuiastic about the fact that Sony is gearing up in the market? of course I am. Everyone gains from it. The only ones that aren't happy about that are the rabid 360 fanboys. Too bad for them, I guess.

and there is also this:

http://classygamer.blogspot.com/

You mention PS products and games lineup in nearly every post. You attack people with your own exaggerated brand of misinformation that very closely mimics Sony corporate talking points. You Blog about Playstation with long winded fluff pieces that wouldn't be out of place on Qore.

Sony has a history of astroturfing and planting spokespersons on blogs and websites. You just fit this profile all too well.

and in the end, you just aren't a good reprensentation of the PS community.

If you are what is means to be a fan of Sony I don't see why anyone would want any part of it.

The only difference between Paul A Chapel and you is that I don't think Paul gets paid for it.

Ahah, oh goodness, you're truly hilarious. Thanks a lot for pubblicizing my blog, by the way. Much appreciated :D

Unfortunately for your weak-legged arguments, I blog about what's interesting, even marketing-wise, since marketing is my line of work.
It's not my fault if there hasn't been much of interest on the 360/Wii front in the last couple of weeks. This week has been extremely heavy on PS3 news, and as such I write a lot about the PS3. If you take your time and read a lil deeper, you'll see a lot of posts about games on other systems (I normally blog only about what I like, so you won't see many negative posts). You'll see posts about PS3 games, PC games, PSP games, DS games, Wii Games and oh my God, 360 games! The latest one to catch my attention has been MagnaCarta 2, if i recall correctly. I'm waiting for it quite eagerly.

According to your logic, anyone that's not turning a complete blind eye on the fact that the PS3 has been dominating the news in the past couple weeks must be a rabid sony fanboy or a spokesperson. Lol. This means that the 90% of the blogosphere can be defined as such.

I see what you did there...

Sorry to burst your little bubble. But I'm not a "fan of sony". I'm a "fan of gaming". And Sony gearing up in the market benefits gaming as a whole.
The only ones that refuse to understand that are the rabid microsoft fanboys.

Ordeith

LOL ... Are you trying to say that MS doesn't have an even deeper more rich history of Astroturfing? They pretty much wrote the book and it's indoctrinated into their business practices. ARE YOU BEING SERIOUS?

WTF?

In 2001, the Los Angeles Times accused Microsoft of astroturfing when hundreds of similar letters were sent to newspapers voicing disagreement with the United States Department of Justice and its antitrust suit against Microsoft. The letters, prepared by Americans for Technology Leadership, had in some cases been delivered via a mailing list to deceased people or incorrect addresses, where the recipients forwarded them without correction.

Microsoft tried to hire people to contribute to Wikipedia. Not wanting to do the edits directly, they were looking for an intermediary to make edits and corrections favorable to them. Why? It was apparently both to let people know that Microsoft will not 'enable death squads with their UUIDs' and also to fight the growing consensus that OOXML contains a useless pile of legacy crap which is unfit for standardization.

Should I continue?

We aren't even talking about the actual illegal stuff yet. Hell, we haven't even scratched the surface yet. This can get really fun. I've had this argument many times with people and to be honest there is no other corporation in the last 25 years that has done more unethical, illegal, questionable and downright immoral actions that has done more to HURT and monopolize the industry than MS.

I don't even think secret deals like the Nazi's and IBM equates to most of the stuff MS has done in it's bid to dominate everything related to computers.

I'm not even saying Sony hasn't done some questionable shit with it's root kit DRM fiasco, forcing standardization of proprietary formats among the myriad of other things. But, compared to MS CORP they are like little choir boys. Seriously, there is no comparison at all between the two monoliths.

I beg you to say otherwise. I'm itching for a good fight.

As for Abriael -

I think calling him an actual shill is grasping for straws because you don't have an argument. I'm not even saying Sony doesn't have Shills that frequent Joystiq but I've seen nothing on here to say that he or anyone else is a corporate shill. There are a few people I can say with 100% certainty are MS shills. The one I know FOR SURE is Marty ... that one is super obvious.

look up at the picture.
No HD cables.