Sony cuts bandwidth fees, publisher penalties from PSP Minis service

no guarantee those will work that way dude....hell quite a few PSP games dont work that way....

Man Sony should make PSN sharing Illegal...it is actually illegal.....your not paying for it..

I will soon own 2 PS3's.....I actually hope they DONT do it. I mean its not like its hard to do it because they do it for stuff from the SingStore. But thats too much of a headache....with the Singstore you cant even BUY the songs again if U want too, nor can you redownload them.....its quite crazy

Evildude:

Jack Tretton in Wired, prior to the PS3 launch, said "You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment. We want to get the game in as many hands as possible. It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"

If that's not Sony saying game sharing is cool, I don't know what it is.

you fool. when you download 1 game from 1 account and download another game from another account, you can't play them both. you pirate.

Well...actually, it's not illegal. Sony allows it on up to five consoles.

What my friend decides to do with those 5 is up to him. He put his info on my console and let's me use 1 of those downloads for the things that he buys.

Should he not be able to play his own games if he come's to my house? I mean it's no different than when my other friend let me borrow KZ2 for 6 months

Oh, gamesharers, how I hate thee.

Still, what's the difference between sharing a download and sharing a disc?

also you know what? If I didn't get these games from my friend...I would have never bought them. never.

Paul, nobody cares if you play them or not, fiscally speaking. They don't care if you ever get past the start screen, unless DLC is involved.

I wish somebody would steal the copper piping from your home while you slept, promptly detonating your house (trailer?), ending your game playing for a long, long time. I don't want you to die, however, for the dead feel no pain. Stealing from people that are just trying to enter the business, especially in this economic climate, is disgusting.

Considering your douchebaggery, you would probably then see debt-ridden devs in the streets, who are asking for change, lean over to your friend and say, "Why doesn't that fucker get a job?"

You see, sharing a disc is essentially the same thing. Doesn't make it moral, or fair to those who created the game, does it?

What do you do for a living? I assume its something retarded, like janitor. And not a cool janitor, with helpful life tips. The one with a lazy eye that always is cleaning the same stall, leading you to believe he has a camera in that stall, which puts you in a bind, because thats the only clean stall. Now, what if your boss, who pays you, just started cleaning up their own shit? You would be deemed too expensive for a decidedly clean environment by your boss's boss, and you'd be fired. You could then crawl back to your ironically dirty trailer, and wack off until your life essence comes out. All because some guy didn't want to spend a buck to keep you truckin' along.


You're a dick.

Hey Paul, regardless of this entire argument, regardless of the morality of it, whether you have a point or not, whether sharing is bad or not or whether you ever get the point, you sir, will always be a gigantic, seeping tool.

Drew, you're a bit of a dick too.
I think everybody needs to take a long hard look at the situation, and revisit the dev/consumer rights and ownership argument.
If I want to share my game with others (by lending the disk), I should be well within my right to do so. It's not my fault that the industry may be built off a non-sustainable financial model. Don't limit my rights just to fix your mistake.

if it's not even ok to let someone borrow a disc or have one of your downloads, than is it even ok to have someone come over and play split screen with you? Or should they start charging each account whenever they connect?

where do you draw the line?

again if you buy a game you pay for 5 downloads. what you choose to do with those is up to you. My friend paid for 5 downloads. Having that chance to get the game 5 times is what we get in exchange for not being able to resell the game afterwards. I will never support Digital distribution with my money for that reason.

Why would I spend $20 for a digital copy of burnout paradise when I can get a used copy of it online for $12 and then resell it for $10 down the road?

My friend bought wipeout HD and fury for a total of $30, he doesn't play it anymore but he can't trade it in because sony wants to destroy the used game market and get rid of brick and mortar stores that employ thousands of people.
So he let me have a copy in exchange for me buying him lunch on day.

Funny you say that...

Think Cave Story for PSP without turning your PSP without using CFW (I don't mess around in homebrew)

Yes, I know what you mean. Just so happens I have Cave Story on my PSP. But it would be nice for an official release, yes.

Right, and there are other good indie games that I think would be great fun on the go. PSP could turn into a legitimate indie platform. That'd be cool. :)

I agree, perhaps even a "portable" version of Bejeweled for PSP..so addicting

Bejeweled? Hell, ANYTHING by PopCap for the PSP would be more than welcome! (We still need more for the PS3. Peggle, I'm looking at you...)

I agree, but someone's got to pay the money (especially demos, which I'm sure use the most bandwidth). That's the downside of not having to pay a fee like you do with Xbox Live. Steam doesn't have a demo for every game either, so I've always assumed that they have a pricing scheme similar to Sony's (anyone out there know?)

Theres not a whole lot of great games on there yet. So far I've only bought like 2 games from it and I'm not much of an online impulse buyer.

I'm not sure about the PSP version of Stardust, but PSP Echochrome was only 45 MB or so. Another UMD game I bought off the store, Puzzle Quest, was only around 65 MB (which really surprised me), so it is possible to get some quality stuff within that size limit.

My bigger worry is price. I'm guessing $2 (though I'm hoping for $1) until the bigger companies get greedy and start charging $5. After that, it shouldn't be called a "mini."

I think there's just too much competition out there for the 'Indie' games to actually get somewhere. On iTunes a lot of the 99cent crapware is pitted against other 99cent crapware, therefore lowering expectations and making it a possible one-click purchase. Sure, 15seconds later you'll be regretting the purchase, but it's only 99 cents.

On Live you already have a huge library of other interesting arcade titles that's already been released, or is slated for release. The price point is slightly higher, but with the worthy titles you do get what you paid for. Time's money, too, and if I had the choice I'd rather be going through one of those instead of even bothering to look through what's likely to be a bunch of useless crapware.

What we need to overcome this kind of mindset, of course, is for decent games to come out and for news/blog sites to cover them. There's more content out there than people can chew anyway, so unless it somehow catches in their radar they aren't going out of the way to check it out.

I think Sony's doing themselves a big disservice by cutting out QC for these smaller projects. If the apps/games sucks you can bet people will complain about how the PSN store is loaded with crap and that the PSP isn't worth the investment. Heck if I was a developer I'd actually prefer a little QC, so I can know if I need to improve something.

ugh, sorry. I'm a n00b at commenting. Ignore this. >.

Actually, the article quote is quite clear and means exactly what they're saying it means. Seriously, how the hell can you misunderstand this: "You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment"? That means nothing like you're claiming.

BUT I think Sony has since changed their stance on game sharing. Their customer service reps will now tell you that that is not allowed. But Sony's initial stance was quite clear and is the main reason a lot of people still game share today. It's a problem of Sony's own making.

There's nothing preventing you from sharing games. Even if it were in the EULA, the way that it's constructed simply makes the process possible because they want to make sure that if you have more than one system you can place the content you paid for on those systems. You can always claim someone else's system as your own. The problem with it is that if you dont have access to those systems you can't deactivate the system's content authorization so if someone doesnt want to stop downloading your content you have no way of removing them from your account unless you have access to their system.

I had to have a very long discussion with sony to get a friend's old system's removed from my account when he sent them in for repair/replacement because he didnt accurately remove my account. This ate up slots on my accounts and when my system needed to be replaced it still counted as another system on my account, So if I didnt check with sony at some point I'd be denied my content because I was unable to remove my account from those systems that were sent in. They dont stop you from doing this but they warn agianst doing it indiscriminately when you talk to the reps because they really dont want to be removing systems from your account ever other month because you werent more careful who you shared with.

If you actually follow the news around here, rather than turn up to make uninformed comments, you'd know that the reason that Sony will not add trophies (in the foreseeable future) is because of the risk that hackers will break the system, making trophies completely useless.