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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 3:33PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Give it a rest, Ordeith.

There are very few multiplatform games with noticable differences anymore. You are even seeing the majority of EA games look slightly better (again hardly noticable) on PS3 because it's the lead development platform.

There are a number of titles in recent H2H comparison videos that point to the PS3 version as superior all things considered. You also have 360 games coming out as superior as well on some. It's not a prevelant issue like it was in 2007. In fact, you will generally have to search long and hard to even find the differences. In screen shots it's a little different because they allow closer scrutiny but while the games are in motion you won't enjoy one or the other less or more.

It's usually going to hedge on which platform was the lead in development and which was a shoddy port. If a company puts adequate resources behind both versions then they will both look fantastic.

The answer to the question is that NO it's not basically true all multiplatforms look better on the 360. That statement had a kernel of truth in 2007 but not in this day and age.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 5:18PM Ordeith said

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PS3fanboy#5:

As in Mr. Grant's post above yours Batman joins the long list of Multiplatform games that look and run better on the 360.

While the PS3 might give a slight edge to Burnout, everything else (Ghostbusters, Fallout, GTA, etc) runs better on the 360.

I am sorry that upsets you.


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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 10:52AM CaptainProtonX said

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So, now that the interwebz knows of the plot, I would suspect this offer is dead.

I'm willing to take my PS3 BC unit for a ride to get Killzone 2.

BTW, is there some bizzaro logic in the statement "This is not street dated, so it should be rushed to the floor."?

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 10:54AM copa said

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Oooh. Thanks, guys!

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:09AM (Unverified) said

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How did they do it for the ps2 / ps2 slim ? I really cant remember it causing an issue.

I dont get the last paragraph either, even if they did it earlier it would have been the same thing, there will always be those that want the new over the old and the old over the new no win situation, but then do Sony just not release a new model is that what you ultimately want Mr JC Fletcher (sorry dont know your first name, dont mean to get all polite and im not being sarcastic) ? Or how do you propose they do it ?

option 1. Have a load of left over old model ps3 on your hands and announce 6 months before about the impending price drop

option 2. wait for the the new slims to be ready to be shipped and announce the
upcoming new format ?

Option 2 would leave consumers in a mess those that bought a ps3 up to a month ago will end up feeling screwed over, but then even those that bought +6 months before will feel screwed if you use option 1.

what else could they have done ?

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:24AM eat it said

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yeah there really is no way out of it. People just have to accept the fact that they can't have everything...unless you are willing to pay for it.

plus be happy if you got a 80gb with a free game. you know for a fact that that 80gb system is pretty reliable. The same can't be said about the slim 120gb systems...hopefully they are reliable but we won't know for a few years.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:18AM (Unverified) said

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That last paragraph doesn't acknowledge that if Sony were to let consumers know beforehand that they will soon be releasing a new system, there would be older models stuck on store shelves, and those take away space from newer models. It doesn't make business sense.

They can afford to do things like that for the PSPGo because PSPs rarely sell, and iPhone because people will buy it anyways. PS3 however, is a very sensitive sell.

Best Buy is also faulting themselves by not allowing the customer to get ANY game with their purchase. Limiting it to 3 titles is not a good idea.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 2:53PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Oddly enough the three titles are all first party Sony games. Maybe Best Buy and Sony have some sort of incentive agreement in place to offer the first party titles. From a consumer point of view it still makes more sense to just get the Slim and then you have an extra $100 to buy whatever game you want and some coin left over. If anything Best Buy should be incetivizing with a game and an additional accessory to make the value of keeping the older more expensive PS3 greater than the value of returning it - $100.

Even more strange is that Best Buy has a store policy that if they reduce the price of an item you purchase within 30 days you can bring in your receipt and get the difference refunded in cash.

In theory you can keep your old ps3, get $100 back and the game they are offering unless it's one or the other. It's also possible their policy on price matching themselves has changed. I still remember buy a Motorola headset for my niece on her birthday ... i think it was around $65 ... then a week later they had a big sale and the cost of the headset was in the neighborhood of $30 ... I simply took in my reciept and my item and got the difference in cash.

I just don't understand the purpose of offering the game as compensation when the fat prices have reduced to the same as the new slims. Either way you get $100. .. maybe they are giving the option of getting a game instead? As I said thats even more dumb because you could have bought any game you like with the savings from a return.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 5:11PM (Unverified) said

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I forgot about Best Buy's price matching.

Now that I think about it that would be the best alternative. Just give customers a price match and they can keep the big ps3. That'll keep stock gone, and if possible, offer them a discount coupon for anything else as thanks for not returning the big PS3.

It's possible that the best reason they are offering a game is to trick some consumers into thinking they are benefiting from the deal.

"Please don't return the PS3, have a Sony game, on the house." Many people would just be happy with that.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:19AM The Wicker Man said

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I would like to pick up the slim over the "phat". A free game is not that enticing considering the lower amount of electricity used on a new one.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 2:42PM xGeneral DEATHxDEETH82 said

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Amen.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:26AM Vidikron said

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@captainprotonx

I'm pretty certain this only applies to people that purchased a PS3 within the last 30 days (or whatever BB's return policy states).

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:27AM EGOvoruhk said

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Oh snap, banned!

Now the moral dilemma: Do I vote you up, so that other future First!ers will see, and be scared off, or do I down vote you, so that they don't see, make the same mistake, and are banned themselves?

Hmmmmmm

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:46AM benheck said

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I bought my PS3 maybe 2 months ago at $400... no regrets. I think it looks better than the Slim anyway. I'd be more interested in the slim for modding, not as my "play" console.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:37AM spin cycle said

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Look at joystiq trying to give a business lesson at the end.

How would Sony announcing the slim even earlier have helped their business? It would just cause people to delay buying, which doesn't help Sony. And those units people didn't buy would still be sitting on the shelves when the slim came out, and Best Buy would demand Sony take them back or otherwise make them whole.

The real issue here is Best Buy's return policies, which are nothing to do with Sony.

Sony did the right thing. The same thing MS did with the 360. They stopped making PS3s early and waited for the channel to drain as much as possible. The channel probably would have drained even more if sites like joystiq hadn't printed stories of a slim PS3 coming 3-4 months ago.

The only other alternative is to do like MS did with the Elite and raise the price on the new model. Then the retailer can keep the old SKU on the shelves as a value proposition. Personally, I don't like this plan, because as a consumer, I don't like higher prices. Besides, Sony really needed a price drop, raising the price on the PS3 would have led to even more howling by joystiq (see PSP Go!), and rightfully so.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:41AM spin cycle said

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Kinda odd you can get banned for posting first but not for using gay in a pejorative fashion.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:48AM Oobgarm said

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Score one for the little guy.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 11:53AM copa said

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Kinda odd that you don't understand the difference between facetious and pejorative.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 12:05PM Nook said

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I think that's a pretty nice offer - why not take the game if you qualify for this and sit back - then you don't have to deal with any of those new launch hiccups that come with new hardware (if there are any even) - PS3 has been a pretty stable product, at least I have not read where people are on their 4th, 8th or even 12th unit.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 12:08PM (Unverified) said

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So I bought a ps3 on August 2nd. I'm still within the 30 days. Does anyone know which procedures I take to do this?

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:00PM Draco84 said

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Call your store. They will tell you what to do.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:22PM (Unverified) said

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thanks. I just got back from said store with $100 and infamous. Today is my lucky day.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 3:07PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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It makes perfect sense in that case. You get the $100 AND a game ... not one or the other. I guess they want to keep the Slim as inventory and not the older models which will seemingly have a harder time selling with the new unit available.

I would have done the same thing ... get the $100 and the game.

Makes perfect sense now.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 12:51PM makimak22 said

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To the writer Mr.Fletcher,

"And if you're a high-level Sony executive, don't (try to) hide your immediate plans from your consumers. As it turns out, people like being informed about the things they're planning to buy. Nobody would have bought a PS3 in the last couple of weeks if we had known about the Slim, and there wouldn't be any emergency programs like this as a result of it."

Why just critise SONY? The above statement you wrote should also apply to Microsoft regarding their upcoming price cut for the xbox360s. Or should MS inform the potential buyers about the high failure rate as well before they pay? The resulting exchange program is FAR WORSE than the so-call "emergency" at BB.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 6:38PM (Unverified) said

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My thoughts exactly, but I'm not sure I'm surprised seeing Joystiq SOMEHOW finding a way to try and make Sony look bad for releasing a brilliant, smaller, more efficient and cheaper console. How I pine for PS3Fanboy.

Why not lay some blame on Best Buy and other retailers, who have know for the past 7 days AT LEAST that the slim was coming, but continued to sell Phats? Sony DID intentionally dry up supplies in the weeks and months leading up to the announcement... they didn't HAVE to do this, and it would have cost them money to not be selling phats during that time, but they did anyway. If anything you should be praising the efforts Sony have made to reduce any backlash from recent Phat consumers.

For shame JC Fletcher, are you that attached to your beloved Microsoft that you have to stoop to this kind of low grade 'journalism'? Reminds me of this: http://www.smgamers.com/?p=948
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 12:57PM (Unverified) said

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Oh, neat.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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More interesting to me is the way Best Buy will handle this - it will ring through as an exchange for the unit you just bought.

Technically, at the register, you'll "return" the 80GB unit and it will be resold to you with a free game at no charge.

This will dramatically increase the appearance of PS3 sales after the Slim launches. Every customer wanting their free game will look like they "bought a PS3". To find out how well the Slim is doing, we'll have to be extra careful with sales figures at first - subtracting out returns, or breaking sales down in the Slim and old units and discarding the old units sold after the Slim launch, or something.

But nobody ever reports that stuff. Sony will come out and say there were "800,000 PS3s sold" since the slim launched, or something. Only the astute observer will say "yes, but that includes fake 'sales' to people who purchased one earlier and just wanted a free game to hang on to it instead of getting a slim."

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 2:03PM spin cycle said

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A sale to Sony is a sale to Best Buy, not a sell-through to the customer. This won't enter into any figures Sony gives.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 2:57PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Even if it did count as a another sale it's irrelevant because there was a return before the sale. As the other two have intimated console manufacturers count sold as in how many go to retailers not how many sell through at the register.

Either way it won't make a difference. Thats like I saying I could buy and return the same videogame 1 million times and the company who makes the game would appear to have sold 999,999 copies more than they actually did. That logic doesn't make any sense because a return occured.

Stop being such a drama queen.
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Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:40PM Rooshma said

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Wait guys, don't get on altair460's case too badly. I mean, he was able to edit his comment... that's like... legendary!

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:42PM (Unverified) said

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I'll stick to my backwards compatible 60GB (now 300gb) PS3, thank you very much...

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 1:44PM shadowblade330 said

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Lol I like the new ban system. I'm happy with the ps3 I bought.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 2:12PM pABSO said

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They should offer items roughly equal to $100 a game and a controller perhaps, as far as keeping plans from consumers shoulda been obvious to anyone familiar with Playstation consoles that they eventually get smaller and cheaper.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 3:03PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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I agree 100%. This looses an extra $35 or so in value for the consumer because the value between the cost of a game and the difference in price is greater than the cost of said game. In fact, the consumer is losing about 33% the difference in price. So, why not just return the system and get the $100, buy any game you want (not just from 3) and still have money left over?

The only way this works for Best Buy is if they offer slightly more than $100 in value. Maybe one of the games mentioned, PSN card(s), controller, eye toy, intercooler, messenger pad, PS3 official headset or some combination therein to go a little above $100 in MSRP. Otherwise, you would have to be a fool. Even if you didn't want the Slim Best Buy still allows the consumer price matching on it's own items within 30 days. In theory, you could keep the fat PS3 and get $100 in the payment you used (cash, gift card, credit etc) back anyway because of their policy.

This move seems desperate and non-sensical unless they are giving $100 + the game.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 10:47AM (Unverified) said

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It totally worked. I bought my PS3 last Thursday and just went in and said I would like to exchange it and the said I could or I could pick a game. I walked out with Killzone 2 for free.....freakin sweet.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 3:26PM ward09 said

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Best Buy already dropped the price of the older consoles.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 3:12PM GreenElf said

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DAMN IT! Missed it by 2 days... 2 DAYS!

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 3:27PM ward09 said

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I bought a phat 160g Uncharted bundle from Best Buy on Aug 1st for $499. They had a promotion on that week that threw in 3 Blu-Rays and 2 more games. Of course I was pissed to learn about the slim a couple of weeks later, but only because of the price cut. Anyway, B.B. has a price guarantee policy within 30 days of purchase, so last week I took my reciept in and got refunded $100 plus tax. I have no interest in a slim, but if I can go back and get another game out of it I will give it a shot.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 4:05PM captplut9465 said

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"Breeder" is usually used as an insult. Urban dictionary.com: slang term used by some childfree people for one who has a child and/or has many after that, refuses to discipline the children, thinks the sun rises and sets for their child/ren, look down upon people who do not have children, and are in general very selfish and greedy when it comes to their whims and those of their child/ren, especially if they can use their parenthood status or their children as an excuse to get their way. A female breeder is commonly called a moo, and a male breeder a duh."

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 4:42PM Hotaru99 said

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I bought a used first gen myself, not long ago, but I'm still happy to finally see price drops and slim versions. Hopefully with the cost coming down, the install base will rise to the point developers see it as a more profitable system again.

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 6:22PM JDBar said

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o____________o

TO BEST BUY!

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 6:45PM tsoulx said

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This is rather smart. No one would want to buy the old stuff and it'd just be a waste of inventory space. Too bad I can't do that with my 60gb launch unit... :(

Posted: Aug 26th 2009 9:17PM ShiroZetsumei said

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what if you recently bought a ps3 from another store such as walmart could you go to best buy still and get a free game or am i pretty much screwed???

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