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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 6:19AM oolz said

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awesome looking set of tools. Can't wait to see what interesting music this will bring to the game as well.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 9:38AM Ghen said

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Agreed, I've worked with midi creation tools to get songs in Frets on Fire and this looks like a very nice interface for track creation.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 6:28AM Nedi said

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Good... now hurry up and bring some Arnocorps!
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 12:23PM (Unverified) said

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Another ballsy goddamn hero on joystiq! Cahm ahn!
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 1:08AM Mr Bungo said

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It's hilarious that you mentioned Arnocorps. I work with someone in the band, so that popped into my head as soon as the Network idea was announced. We've talked about it, and there's at least one XNA member at work. So getting some action-adventure hardcore rock and roll into RB isn't unpossible!
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Posted: Aug 30th 2009 2:29PM (Unverified) said

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@Mr Bungo

If you get ArnoCorps onto the RBN I will forever be in debt to you. Please make it happen! Cahm ahn!

And just out of curiousity, who is it you work with?
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 6:37AM (Unverified) said

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i'm considering getting a 360 just for this feature. i know a few bands that wanted to try this out as well as mine.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 6:39AM Foetoid said

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So i guess creating copywrited material is out of the question? Dammit! Why won't someone release DethAlbum onto the Rock Band or Guitar Hero stores!!!
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 7:15AM (Unverified) said

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Actually, all the music on the network is copyrighted. You just have to own the copyright in order to post them.

So, me posting the song that I wrote a couple years ago (and therefor own a copyright on): allowed
Me posting Bohemian Rhapsody (I don't own a copyright to Queen songs): not allowed.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 10:11PM ZeeG said

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So they don't allow any music that's public domain onto the network?
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 1:39AM mynk said

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oh, so you DONT own the copyright to all of queen's songs?
well i guess we have no use for you then.
next.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 3:46PM Mr Bungo said

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In response to the question on public domain tunes: From what I understand, posting a public domain song should be fine, provided you also have the rights to the performance. If you recorded your own version of "John Henry" for instance, you could turn it into a RB track and put it up. But if you used Bruce Springsteen's version from his "We Shall Overcome" album, that's a no go.

A major headache in licensing a song for Rock Band or Guitar Hero is that the rights to the song as written are one thing, and the rights to the song as performed by a specific artist are another, and getting both means more time and money on the publisher's part. That's why the early GH games had covers instead of originals.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 6:46AM colinisrad said

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Hopefully this leads the way for a lot of new awesome songs that don't sound like sh*t like the Guitar Hero Music Store thingy creator....
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 7:12AM stressflyer said

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hopefully this will get all these genre specific rock fans a chance to redirect thier appeals for said favorite band and favorite song off Harmonixs back, and now they can appeal (annoy) the orginal music publisher.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 7:16AM cuteSAVAGE said

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Is this Windows PC only? I know Reaper is available on OS X, though I've never put much time into it personally, I'd be willing to give it a shot. We've got studio equipment, and I've been sequencing and recording since I was a teenager, would love to be able to use this because I love Rock Band too!
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 7:19AM cuteSAVAGE said

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I really need to RTFA more carefully! Extremely disappointing news... this cuts out a lot of the potential audience.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 7:21AM (Unverified) said

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This runs on the 360? Looks like it should be tagged "pc" to me.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 7:58AM (Unverified) said

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Magma's got the default icon for .NET based applications -- so I'd imagine that at least .NET 2.0 is required for this whole thing, right?
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 8:07AM xGeneral DEATHxDEETH82 said

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This takes me back to my college days...and the last time I ever sat down in front of a mixing board and ProTools.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 8:47AM SONYEDDIE said

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love this feature. harmonix had this same feature in one of their earlier games Amplitude where you could also make music with up to 3 other online friends
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 9:32AM (Unverified) said

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For the website JamLegend I actually downloaded a program called EOF that's sort of a lighter version of this and started playing around in it. I'm excited to see how this works and I would love to do some work in it and try to find a song I know people would find fun to play. I could really see myself sitting down for countless hours learning how to use this and eventually making something worthwhile.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 9:51AM (Unverified) said

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This is excellent...

I wonder, will it allow a midi keyboard to be used when laying down tracks? Admittedly, I know nothing about Reaper...
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 9:56AM (Unverified) said

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I gave a shot and trying to explain what you'll need.
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/27/inside-the-rock-band-network-as-harmonix-gives-interactive-music-its-game-changer/

If you're on the Mac, you can still author the songs, which is the bulk of the work. All the tools in Reaper ship as plug-ins, and they work on both Mac and Windows.

You only really need Windows to get the finished track to your Xbox, because the MAGMA tool and networking with the Xbox 360 require Windows. The smart thing to do if you're a Mac user is just to use an emulator or dual-boot into Windows with Boot Camp. And an OEM license is cheap, anyway. I believe that's what Harmonix users who are on the Mac have tested. ;)

You can also calculate the cost. Figure $99 a year for Creators Club, $60 for Reaper (though you can test Reaper free if you're unsure). Everything else is free, so the only additional cost is Windows, an emulator if desired, an Xbox 360, and Rock Band 2, assuming you don't have one or more of those parts.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 9:57AM (Unverified) said

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@elkrisp: You can use either a MIDI keyboard or just draw them in, depending on which you find easier. Reaper is a full-blown DAW and MIDI sequencer, so if the question is "can Reaper..." the answer probably is yes. ;)
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 11:13AM Seroth said

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So...how long 'til Valve does something like this so console owners can play custom Left 4 Dead maps or whatever? (Though I guess we'd still have to pay for that stuff...)
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 1:36AM ZaxCG2 said

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I'm sure if Valve was more interested in you non-PC types, it'd have a shot. I feel really bad for you guys. I honestly do. :(
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 12:23PM aristokrat said

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I can see the next good idea after this would be to make Rock Band Radio, wherein you pay $10 a year or something and can play straight though a random setlist of songs without having to purchase each one but also having no control (or little, if you have channels) and just playing away. That'd be kind of cool, and I'm sure it could be made to work.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 5:47PM (Unverified) said

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That would be a great idea. I would certainly fork over 800-1200 MS points for unlimited access to a sort of Rock Band Radio, especially if it was 50% user generated content and 50% DLC tracks.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 6:00PM HBlakeH117 said

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WHY THE HELL CAN'T THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE THEY'RE SONGS FREE!?!?!
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 7:41PM Andrew Yoon said

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Because Harmonix takes a cut of the profits.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 9:40PM I AM IRONHIDE said

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@Beavers

Because Harmonix has to get their asses up and posts the song on RBN. That fucking costs money.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2009 11:13PM (Unverified) said

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pretty cool i guess since i use reaper for recording stuff and ninjam.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:23AM (Unverified) said

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Something that everyone here may not know...not only do you need to have the rights to a song to do this, you also need to have access to the master tracks for the song. So no, i don't think you can just start whipping up midi tracks to put into the RBN. This stands to be an awesome feature though, and could really open up a lot of doors for up & coming artists. Now I just hope Harmonix focuses on expanding access so the PS3 and Wii users can play through RBN tracks, too.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:22AM Swizzler said

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HOLY CRAP! An SDK for a console? now THIS is next gen, not your crappy "better graphics" true user made content

*takes a minute to bask in it* ok. now console game companies HEY! game companies! PUT DOWN THOSE CONTROLLERS!!! now, look here *points at article* DO THIS TOO!!!
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 1:46PM The Great Cornholio said

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Not really "software", but more or less "user created content". Were it software, we'd be talking coding, scripting, etc to make applications ala iPhone Dev Kits, XNA Creator's Kit and PS minis.

If you're talking about UCC, then look at LittleBigPlanet, Kodu, and Unreal Tournament 3,

Kodu has scripting, UT3 lets you create/texute/map full levels, LBP has a scripting system hidden in all the UF creation tools.

So yeah, I think they're all on the same page, just in different ways.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 1:40AM ZaxCG2 said

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This.
THIS.
Harmonix made the right move!
Activision just got shown who's the boss! That craptastic in-game editor of there's doesn't amount to anything.

I just can't believe it took years of people modding their PS2 games and building a huge Frets On Fire base for them to finally realize what they should do.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 6:08AM (Unverified) said

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I've heard first time in my life that a game is launched for the professional gamers rather than normal gamers but i am considering getting a 360 just for this feature as i know a few bands that wanted to try this out as well as mine.................
http://www.electrocomputerwarehouse.com
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 5:48PM (Unverified) said

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that is so damn awesome.rock band! I love it. this a very good way to purchase some good music!
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 5:14PM (Unverified) said

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Not trying to plug my own band, but what I don't understand is how are we supposed to make different difficulties of each track? Do we dumb everything down or something? http://myspace.com/theburialin (if you don't like metal, you won't like it, chances are so don't complain about it "not being music, etc) It's not like we're Between the Buried and Me or anything, but I'm not sure how that aspect of it will work?
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 8:37AM LuiginDaisy said

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I'd like them to release this on PC, and you can just move your song over, kind of like the films/screenshots with Halo 3, but from PC to 360.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 9:26PM (Unverified) said

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Seasoned programmers don't fear the Reaper....
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