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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:05PM Special Agent Steve said

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"We might also add that television, video games and mobile phone content are -- with few exceptions -- different forms of media. After all, it doesn't really make sense to use the same scale to judge both Batman: Arkham Asylum and your "Yakety Sax" ringtone. Or does it?"

That's why this move by the FCC is just stupid. You don't rate a CD and a Movie in the same way, so why television and mobile content (pretty random).
A universal rating system is not practical, keep the ESRB, much better rating system.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:45PM bongoes said

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This is exactly what I was going to say. I wish I could upvote you more.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 9:31AM Nook said

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Once again big bro looks to make a move to save us from ourselves.....whew!!!
thank gawd. Now we only need more taxes to fund this and red tape to speed things up.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:08PM fredgaso said

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good thing i am 17 :)

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:46PM (Unverified) said

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Mathew Perry is that you?
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:09PM copa said

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ESRB does a good job of providing the ratings information.

Some dumbass parents will still buy GTA4 for their 11-year-old. Having the government take over the ratings system isn't going to change that.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:50PM budboyy2k said

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I thought "M" meant "Mommy approved"?
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 12:04PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think there is any way to keep dumb parents from being dumb. I went to my mother inlaws house and her 8yr old was playing GTA:SanAndreas. Now, I havnt exsacly played this GTA game, but I can assume it's close to the other ones(you think with all the news coverage GTA gets all the time everyone would know), once I told her what was in the game she was all conserned about him playing it...
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 4:17PM MarnBeast said

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Honestly, the ESRB does not need to be replaced completely, but it could be reworked somewhat, particularly in how it determines if a game is worthy about the infamous M rating (you say 'infamous? psht!' and I say 'That's my point.')

Halo 3 was rated M, and I'm not sure why as I don't have the box in front of me. Realistically, this should have been a T. There's no red 'human' blood that I can remember. All of the blood comes from aliens (the FCC has acknowledged the difference in the past), and multiplayer is between fully suited individuals who don't bleed hardly at all. It's more like laser tag than anything.

Left 4 Dead is also rated M. This is getting closer, as it is quite gory, but lacks all of the ethical conflicts and intent of killing (all enemy's are zombies, and certainly look and sound the part, lacking all humanity). Further more, the violence in the game is all dictated by gameplay, not depravity. None of the characters carry out particularly flashy moves to dispatch their victims in a gory manner. I would argue that this game is perfectly suitable for anyone over 15.

GTA-like games are obviously mature. It is human on human violence throughout the entire game, and provides gamers with the freedom to engage in very depraved situations. I love playing GTA, and I'll be honest, I played GTA3 when I was probably 13 or 14 and was fine with it, but it's not for most young impressionable gamers.

In closing, reviewers should be somewhat more thoughtful about their ratings, and perhaps they should implement a new T15+ rating to distinguish some games. If every game is rated M, that just misleads consumers about the games which SHOULD be rated M. GTA does not equate Halo, and rating them as such just misinforms parents looking for games suited for their children or even adults looking for a particular experience.

And sorry for the wall-o-text, I'd blog it, but I don't have a blog. O.o
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Posted: Aug 30th 2009 2:45PM (Unverified) said

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"I don't think there is any way to keep dumb parents from being dumb. I went to my mother inlaws house and her 8yr old was playing GTA:SanAndreas."

A boy I was tutoring a few weeks ago, who was going into the fourth grade, was a very ridiculous case of this. Not only has he played a lot of GTA4 and the GTAs on the PSP, but he was also quoting Family Guy. I'm sorry, but NONE of that is appropriate for a child that age. It's all his parents' doing. I really don't know why the politicians don't understand this. My own parents rightly kept me and my brother from M-rated content and R-rated content (and almost kept us from T-rated RPGs until we explained why they got that rating) until we were the appropriate age to begin viewing such things. Why is it so hard for politicians to understand that the ratings as they are DO work so long as parents choose to actually acknowledge them and act accordingly?
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:10PM Mr Khan said

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Same exact criteria? No. Same set of ratings? Sure. Can't hurt to further idiot-proof the system by giving the same PG rating that Shrek gets to Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (an E10 game), and to SWAT Kats (rated TVY7). All are more or less the same tier, appropriate for roughly the same age groups.

Certainly, different criteria should be used, but it would only be efficient to slap the same labels on things appropriate for the same group across all media.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:32PM (Unverified) said

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You red commie bastard!!
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:42PM bongoes said

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I know you love SWAT Cats but I don't think many kids watch it anymore.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:22PM (Unverified) said

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Mr. Khan has articulated his point much in the same way I would have. I have no problem with a universal rating so long as the critera for it makes sense for whatever media is being rated.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 1:18AM Courtney said

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The problem here is that do you really want the FCC in charge of this? Having the FCC determine a universal ratings system would put the government in the position of determining the ratings of private goods exchanged between private parties. This is the same organization that deems Jerry Springer to be acceptable daytime television, but flips its freaking lid when a half second of boob gets flashed during the Superbowl.

Also check the source articles to see what isn't talked about here: government mandated censoring technologies across a wide range of platforms.

"The Senate, in language accompanying the 2007 law that mandated the FCC report, said it wanted the agency to gather information about the availability of “alternative blocking technologies.” Because television content is available over the Internet and over mobile devices, the legislation also required the FCC to consider blocking technologies “that may be appropriate across a wide variety of content distribution platforms,” the Senate report said."

While I don't necessarily disagree with universal rating symbols, I certainly object to the FCC organizing it, or using it as a wedge to get censoring technologies onto my phone, my gaming console or my computer.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 1:49AM Courtney said

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Sorry about the rant Khan, I realize you weren't necessarily saying the government should be in charge, but you were the first person to speak positively about the subject and so got the brunt of my ire.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 4:08AM BananaBoat said

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Let me add some ire to the fire. A universal rating system would likely lead to laws mandating who can and can't buy M rated games. As has been argued here again and again, that type of law would make M rated games the equivalent of cigarettes, tobacco, and porn in the eyes of the public. Self censorship wouldn't be far behind, and could even be immediate if a place like Wal-Mart were to suddenly ban the sale of all M rated games (like they've already done to AO games, thus making them non-existent) in much the same way that they got rid of the "profane" versions of CD's so many years ago (do they have them again? I haven't been in a wal-mart in years)

The current ESRB ratings are fine. They are far bigger and more descriptive than the ratings on CD's or Movies, yet time and time again we hear the same old refrain from parents groups that the warnings are "too vague" (M = 17+, T= 13-16, E = Friggin everyone). Remember that attempt to mandate parental controls in game consoles that happened last year? These loons don't even realize that the consoles already have parental controls, and their ignorance constantly costs us tax payer money when legal fights wind their way through the courts over unconstitutional video game laws that have been passed.

At the end of the day, it is up to parents to keep their kids safe. Any parent that is incapable probably shouldn't be buying their kid a console.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 2:40PM TheDarkWayne said

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Arggh i wish you guys hadnt posted such truth cause now im raging hard!!
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:10PM fredgaso said

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and most parents dont give a crap about ratings in games

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:14PM Viakenny said

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here in Brazil, there's one rating system for movies, television and video games (including mobile games).
on the other hand, there are no games on the iTunes App Store, since the government has to rate every video game sold here (but it can't ban a game. if a game is banned, it's the Congress's fault.)

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:18PM Jeff Kibuule said

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Games might be rated worse then because they're interactive. I just see this falling apart. And instead of my money going towards the developers, it's gonna go towards the ESA killing this proposal.

-_-

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:21PM Sora said

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It isn't the government's place to tell us which content is appropriate for our children and which content isn't...The ESRB is currently privatized, and that's the way ratings boards should stay.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:28PM Flo said

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Ugh great. I already have to beg my parents to let me buy m rated games off steam (L4D, Call of Juarez:Bound in Blood) with MY own money that I earned running tons of odd jobs and whatnot :*(. I'm sure this will only negatively effect my ability to get games "too mature for me" even more =\. If this ever happens and ratings get stricter I guess I'll just have to use bittorrent more often. Thanks gov.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:30PM jhowlett said

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i don't think it is a good idea, but i really came to comment on how a "Yakety Sax" ringtone could be hilarious in certain situations.

Posted: Aug 29th 2009 1:29AM U U D D L R L R B A SELECT START said

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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:31PM Sleepyperson said

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Never did like the FCC and this just makes me hate them more. They over do there power just way too much, Don't understand that different types of media need different systems, and overall use there power just a bit too much.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:41PM (Unverified) said

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Oooh.. The ESA is lookin' to go 44-0.
Lets get it on.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:51PM (Unverified) said

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GOOD IDEA.

No, seriously... hear me out. It's what they have in the UK for Movies and Video games, and imho it works pretty well. Parents understand the movie ratings, and they can correlate between them and games. While those ratings aren't used on broadcast tv, they are used on DVD releases of said tv shows.

The argument about making it compulsory is another one, but the idea of making a universal system is pretty darn good, if you ask me.

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PS// Everyone should watch This Film Is Not Yet Rated. It's a really interesting look at the US movie rating system... which shows that it is a total joke. Totally secretive and involving vested interests. However, that doesn't mean that a ratings system itself can't work... just that the current one needs major action.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 10:51PM Dan50 said

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If they don't censor adult games I'd be ok.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:01PM (Unverified) said

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Obviously the same set of criteria shouldn't apply to different forms of media but I don't see anything wrong with standardizing the ratings systems as far as individual ratings "scores" go.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:06PM mrln said

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I always imagined G=E, PG=E10+, PG-13=T, and R=M.

I know it's not what the article is talking about, but changing the ESRB symbols to match the movie symbols might deter more parents from buying their 11-year olds an R-rated GTA.
I'm reminded of a Foxtrot comic where the dad buys the M-rated game for the son because he told him the M stood for "mild".

Having the same people rate songs, movies, and games is just inefficient and inaccurate.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:44PM (Unverified) said

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The final rating would be AO= NC-17
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:27PM TheDarkWayne said

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it's not the content harming kids, it's retarded parents. God, the worst thing is that this is almost guaranteed to happen and it will be skullfuckingly stupid.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:38PM Shadowbender said

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Retarded parents that are too busy trying to impress their boss and don't even have time for their kids, which is just sad...

And then there are the stupid soccer moms, who go OVERBOARD with the whole rating thing, which is really annoying to see. *Sigh*
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 12:37AM U U D D L R L R B A SELECT START said

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Mmm, the idiot proofing of America. Because you don't get to say what goes on in America, we leave that up to the lowest common denominator.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/fun_toy_banned_because_of_three
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 8:35AM ExoBandy3 said

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Why is there such a big fight about rating systems that depend on parents' discretion? Whether it's rated M or R, bad parents will always be bad parents and buy their 12 year old kid GTA IV.

If the level enforcement was being changed, well then we have something to debate about.

Posted: Aug 29th 2009 10:27AM (Unverified) said

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It's ridiculous. I worked at in the electronics department of Target for 2 years, and some parents are just ridiculous. I rang up a mother who bought her kids Assassin's Creed, not because they wanted it, but because it was on sale. I usually warned parents about what was in the game, but it always came down to whether or not there was sexual content in the game. Outrageous amounts of violence? That's fine.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 3:24PM (Unverified) said

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To be fair, AC's violence isn't quite that outrageous. Some shit is kinda brutal, but it's not like you see a close up or anything. You just see the blade go in and a little spurt of blood.

Plus you can turn off the blood in the game.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:36PM (Unverified) said

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Great. Lets substitute 1 arbitrary bullshit rating system for another.

The ESRB needs to be abolished. The FCC is not the answer either.

Posted: Aug 28th 2009 11:46PM Shadowbender said

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If we abandon the ESRB, then people should prepare for chaos.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2009 5:14AM Kif said

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The FCC: Fixing what ain't broken since 1934.

Posted: Aug 30th 2009 7:54AM JeezWhiz87 said

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Would someone PLEASE think of the children?!

Posted: Aug 30th 2009 12:52PM benheck said

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What a shock - more proposed government control.

The difference between the FCC and the ESRB is that when the FCC deems something "inappropriate" they can levy fines, which is basically a "decency tax". Our country is broke, they're going to tax ANYTHING they can, just wait. Couple years back Bethesda would've gotten socked for that Oblivion rating thing.

And in the end it doesn't matter, parents will still buy whatever games their kids ask for. All this does is hurt the publishers and retailers.


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